So Spider and Bones will have three common opponents

MMAPlayground.com » MMA General » UFC Forum » So Spider and Bones will have three common opponents
frizzzlecake
10/17/12 4:07:52PM
I find this interesting everyone talks about these guy's fighting and yet they had or will have three common opponents.

1. Vitor Belfort- Anderson First Round KO

2. Bonnar - Anderson First Round TKO

3. Chael- Triangle Choke and Second Round TKO after a Fission Mailed Spinning Backfist.


1. Vitor Belfort- Jones Round 4 submission

2. Bonnar - Decision

3. Chael TBA


But they won't fight each other?

I know it's weird but does anyone else think that maybe, Bones vs. Sonnen fight is to gain a lot of publicity so Bones will be at peek buy ratings, and Anderson and Bones will both be paid like Lesnar so the fight happens?
I'm a little bored today.
jae_1833
10/17/12 4:36:05PM
All of our deductive reasoning, all the rationale, all tour thoughts behind it are from a hard core fan perspective. The UFC is a business and that is the type of decision they are making.....sucks but it's true.
State_Champ
10/17/12 5:11:27PM

Posted by frizzzlecake


I know it's weird but does anyone else think that maybe, Bones vs. Sonnen fight is to gain a lot of publicity so Bones will be at peek buy ratings, and Anderson and Bones will both be paid like Lesnar so the fight happens?



Could be.....

If Jones beats Sonnen and A. Silva beats St. Pierre then Jones vs A. Silva for HUGE PPV?
tcunningham
10/17/12 5:20:25PM
it doesnt sound like anderson wants the fight at all. i think that if he beat GSP he would probably retire, maybe not right after but it would definitely bring him very close to it.
infestructure
10/17/12 6:17:53PM

Posted by jae_1833

All of our deductive reasoning, all the rationale, all tour thoughts behind it are from a hard core fan perspective. The UFC is a business and that is the type of decision they are making.....sucks but it's true.



Stop being so fucking logical
kingsmasher
10/17/12 7:08:31PM
IM doubting Silva and GSP fight....Why should GSP move up and he has said himself that he would only do it if he put on the weight properly...Which means pretty much not going back down...

If GSP were to follow Silvas footsteps he would just beat everyone in welterweight and beat a few scrubs at middleweight....

Silva and Jones is closer than Silva and GSP....

Silva and GSP in maybe 2 years...
ghandikush
10/17/12 10:10:55PM

Posted by jae_1833

All of our deductive reasoning, all the rationale, all tour thoughts behind it are from a hard core fan perspective. The UFC is a business and that is the type of decision they are making.....sucks but it's true.



The UFC never used to make fights like this before 2008. Used to be top draw beats other top draw in a title fight loser doesnt get immediate rematch. UFC as a whole used to talk shit about immediate rematches and fighters being given cans.

Nowdays we cant even see a MW title fight because the very clear eligable top contonder (Weidman) wont be a big enough draw... and the guy who just lost again against Anderson gets a crack at a higher weight title.... because he uses WWE antics! Jesus.

Brock was the beginning of the end...

I remember the UFC forced Dan to fight Marquardt when they both could have made high selling ppv's one at a time against Anderson... they lost Dan because they refused a huge rematch for clarity in the division.

This is boxing all over again. Boxing commissions ruined boxing and somehow MMA...
SpiderSilva
10/18/12 7:32:05AM
Not sure why GSP wouldn't take the fight at 178 or 175 even. He didn't have a problem fighting a smaller Penn.
Cooler
10/18/12 9:40:46AM

Posted by SpiderSilva

Not sure why GSP wouldn't take the fight at 178 or 175 even. He didn't have a problem fighting a smaller Penn.



GSP at this point is just terrified of Silva and that's the reason it won't happen. GSP is okay with fighting smaller guys but the prospect of not being able to hold someone down at say a competitive weight is scary to him now. Hell he might have been a better kickboxer than Dan Hardy and could've KO'd him but he didn't because he knows he is one good punch away from being Serra'd again. Anderson even offered to fight GSP at 170 for the WW title and GSP shit his pants saying "I ave manee oppo-nents at welter-weight, seriezly i ave not cleaned out 170, please don't make me fight the spider" meanwhile Anderson can't even make the 205 mark and people want him to fight Jones instead of the super fight in Silva vs GSP that has been talked about since 2007.
Cooler
10/18/12 9:45:50AM

Posted by kingsmasher

IM doubting Silva and GSP fight....Why should GSP move up and he has said himself that he would only do it if he put on the weight properly...Which means pretty much not going back down...

If GSP were to follow Silvas footsteps he would just beat everyone in welterweight and beat a few scrubs at middleweight....

Silva and Jones is closer than Silva and GSP....

Silva and GSP in maybe 2 years...



Where have you been for the past 5 years? GSP vs Silva was talked about when they were simultaneously dominating their divisions. Jones barely had one title defense before mma newbies were calling for Jones vs Silva and some of us were like jeez let Jones defend it a few times before we put him in there with the P4P king and we will have Silva vs GSP in the meantime (because that was the super fight talked about first) but GSP never stepped up and the UFC never made it happen, which ever the case.

What is GSP going to do after he lays on Condit for 5 rounds? fight Hendricks/Kampmann? then what? 170 is pretty much dry after that and GSP has to start taking rematches. The guy has had enough boring fights, he needs to fight the spider to even be relevant anymore in the P4P discussion.
Bubbles
10/18/12 11:10:12AM

Posted by Cooler
What is GSP going to do after he lays on Condit for 5 rounds? ... The guy has had enough boring fights, he needs to fight the spider to even be relevant anymore in the P4P discussion.


you have just lost any and all credibility
Cooler
10/18/12 4:44:15PM

Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Cooler
What is GSP going to do after he lays on Condit for 5 rounds? ... The guy has had enough boring fights, he needs to fight the spider to even be relevant anymore in the P4P discussion.


you have just lost any and all credibility



Instead of refuting it you resort to that. What should I expect from a Trailer park boys fan though..
Bubbles
10/18/12 5:14:13PM

Posted by Cooler


Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Cooler
What is GSP going to do after he lays on Condit for 5 rounds? ... The guy has had enough boring fights, he needs to fight the spider to even be relevant anymore in the P4P discussion.


you have just lost any and all credibility



Instead of refuting it you resort to that. What should I expect from a Trailer park boys fan though..


I could refute it, but good will that do? Your mind is made up and nothing I lay out there will alter it. GSP is the furthest thing from a boring fighter who just lays on people, and any actual MMA fan knows this. But you are entitled to your opinion, regardless how dumb it may be. Others may agree with you, but to me I can't take any posts of yours seriously anymore

I'm sorry that the TPB's don't meet your level of entertainment IQ. Maybe I should also go around telling people why religions are a hoax instead...
Cooler
10/18/12 6:13:54PM

Posted by Bubbles
I could refute it, but good will that do?



It would help you with your grammar maybe.


Posted by Bubbles
Your mind is made up and nothing I lay out there will alter it.



No it's not, that's the nature of a free thinker, always open to new evidence.


Posted by Bubbles
GSP is the furthest thing from a boring fighter who just lays on people, and any actual MMA fan knows this.



(Yawn) arguments from authority are not interesting.


Posted by Bubbles
But you are entitled to your opinion, regardless how dumb it may be.



Aww bubs

I swear there's no rat poison in it.


Posted by Bubbles
Maybe I should also go around telling people why religions are a hoax instead...



Are you a butthurt theist or something? In another thread you couldn't name anything I said that was off topic in a thread about religion that wasn't brought up by someone else, kinda like what you've done twice now... Did I offend you at some point? and if I went around telling people that a pink unicorn was sending people to eternal hell for finite crimes I would hope you call it a hoax too
Bubbles
10/18/12 6:49:54PM
Oh sorry, I didn't realize you work for the grammar police. I missed a word, arrest me please

You want evidence, look at the faces of Koscheck, Fitch, Shields, Penn, Alves after their fights. That's old evidence by the way. "Boring fighters who just lay on people" don't have their opponents looking like that. Fightmetric and compustrike numbers will also back my side...again old evidence. If you want to say he doesn't have killer instinct and can't finish fights, then that's plausible. Calling him boring because you don't like him is just flat out dumb. Same with your view on Sonnen. I hate Anderson, should I call him a boring fighter because he doesn't throw enough strikes each fight? How stupid would I sound?

Actually that wasn't me in that thread, maybe you should get your facts in order. You and infestructure were having that religion talk. If people want to believe in a divine being, as long as they use it to have some semblance of a moral compass and not commit a mass shooting because "God told them too" what difference does that make? No, I'm not religious either. The only reason I brought this up was to counter your lame attempt of an insult of me enjoying a TV show
jjeans
10/18/12 7:20:31PM

Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Cooler
What is GSP going to do after he lays on Condit for 5 rounds? ... The guy has had enough boring fights, he needs to fight the spider to even be relevant anymore in the P4P discussion.


you have just lost any and all credibility



There are better reasons than "boring fights" to make someone irrelevant in a P4P discussion. Please be intelligent and make real debates on a mature MMA forum. Just cause GSP doesn't KO guys in 12 seconds and makes the blood splatter on the guys in the front row who only came to see boxing matches, does not make him a boring fighter.
Cooler
10/19/12 7:38:32AM

Posted by Bubbles
Actually that wasn't me in that thread, maybe you should get your facts in order.



Even if someone brought it up to me, why continue the trend...completely irrelevant.


Posted by Bubbles
If people want to believe in a divine being, as long as they use it to have some semblance of a moral compass and not commit a mass shooting because "God told them too" what difference does that make?



Who the hell said people couldn't believe what they want...

P.S. It makes a big difference what people believe, it affects all your other beliefs and beliefs do not live in a vacuum, they affect others, in very negative ways, 9/11 is the best example of modern terrorism justified by a religion. For example, if you thought it was okay to tell people in Africa that condoms are worse than Aids, you think immorally because your religion says so. Religion is sort of mankinds' collective ignorance over the centuries and it is slowly dying down as we learn more and advance. Religion had it's chance to rule the world and it was called the dark ages. Thank Science and reason that we don't live there anymore and we are allowed to question those who think they have all the answers from the bronze age instead of being locked in the tower like Galileo or burnt at the stake like witches in Salem.
Cooler
10/19/12 7:40:42AM

Posted by jjeans


Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Cooler
What is GSP going to do after he lays on Condit for 5 rounds? ... The guy has had enough boring fights, he needs to fight the spider to even be relevant anymore in the P4P discussion.


you have just lost any and all credibility



There are better reasons than "boring fights" to make someone irrelevant in a P4P discussion. Please be intelligent and make real debates on a mature MMA forum. Just cause GSP doesn't KO guys in 12 seconds and makes the blood splatter on the guys in the front row who only came to see boxing matches, does not make him a boring fighter.



I can respect that someone thinks "Rush" is exciting, just does nothing for me and hasn't since he lost his killer instinct.
jjeans
10/19/12 10:40:59AM

Posted by Cooler


Posted by jjeans


Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Cooler
What is GSP going to do after he lays on Condit for 5 rounds? ... The guy has had enough boring fights, he needs to fight the spider to even be relevant anymore in the P4P discussion.


you have just lost any and all credibility



There are better reasons than "boring fights" to make someone irrelevant in a P4P discussion. Please be intelligent and make real debates on a mature MMA forum. Just cause GSP doesn't KO guys in 12 seconds and makes the blood splatter on the guys in the front row who only came to see boxing matches, does not make him a boring fighter.



I can respect that someone thinks "Rush" is exciting, just does nothing for me and hasn't since he lost his killer instinct.



So your saying that because you find him boring he's not in your P4P?

"The guy has had enough boring fights, he needs to fight the spider to even be relevant anymore in the P4P discussion"

Either your P4P is an excitement based ranking or you needed to use a full stop

"The guy has had enough boring fights. he needs to fight the spider to even be relevant anymore in the P4P discussion"
Cooler
10/21/12 5:43:09PM

Posted by jjeans


Posted by Cooler


Posted by jjeans


Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Cooler
What is GSP going to do after he lays on Condit for 5 rounds? ... The guy has had enough boring fights, he needs to fight the spider to even be relevant anymore in the P4P discussion.


you have just lost any and all credibility



There are better reasons than "boring fights" to make someone irrelevant in a P4P discussion. Please be intelligent and make real debates on a mature MMA forum. Just cause GSP doesn't KO guys in 12 seconds and makes the blood splatter on the guys in the front row who only came to see boxing matches, does not make him a boring fighter.



I can respect that someone thinks "Rush" is exciting, just does nothing for me and hasn't since he lost his killer instinct.



So your saying that because you find him boring he's not in your P4P?

"The guy has had enough boring fights, he needs to fight the spider to even be relevant anymore in the P4P discussion"

Either your P4P is an excitement based ranking or you needed to use a full stop

"The guy has had enough boring fights. he needs to fight the spider to even be relevant anymore in the P4P discussion"



I never said he wasn't in the P4P talk just not at the top anymore thus needing to fight the spider after 5 years of pussyfooting around the fight claiming guys like Dan Hardy are his toughest challenge, clearly lying. And since he refuses to take super fights with anyone other than LW's then you can't truly be a P4P guy if you only fight at your weight and challenge smaller guys, doesn't make him less of a person or fighter just unwilling to bend on weight or taking bigger challenges. On paper yes he is P4P one of the higher ranked guys to a lot of people but if BJ or Aldo for example were 6'0 200 lbs with the same skill-set then George is not even in my radar for P4P at that point.
Bubbles
10/21/12 11:07:48PM

Posted by Cooler
I never said he wasn't in the P4P talk just not at the top anymore thus needing to fight the spider after 5 years of pussyfooting around the fight claiming guys like Dan Hardy are his toughest challenge, clearly lying. And since he refuses to take super fights with anyone other than LW's then you can't truly be a P4P guy if you only fight at your weight and challenge smaller guys, doesn't make him less of a person or fighter just unwilling to bend on weight or taking bigger challenges. On paper yes he is P4P one of the higher ranked guys to a lot of people but if BJ or Aldo for example were 6'0 200 lbs with the same skill-set then George is not even in my radar for P4P at that point.


yeah that is exacly what you said:

Posted by Cooler
The guy has had enough boring fights, he needs to fight the spider to even be relevant anymore in the P4P discussion.


I figured you would be smart enough to realize that GSP was trying to hype the fight rather than actually believe it. Everyone with half a brain knew it was a mismatch and he was trying to draw more interest to it. But I guess guys like Cote and Leites are so much more dangerous to Silva than Hardy was to GSP right?

BJ Penn is a welterweight. He was a former champ and has been there for the last 2 years. If he was a LW then he would be fighting down there. Also your definition of p4p is flawed. P4P is all about who is the better fighter if size wasn't a factor and we use current results as a measure of that since there is a size discrepancy. Penn got taken down by a FW, why couldn't GSP do the same to 200lb Penn? Not to mention he would gas after 8 minutes of GSP's pace. If GSP were to be 6'3 215 lbs, he would have a field day vs Anderson...so should I make the claim that Silva isn't the top fighter in the world right now?
slapshot
10/27/12 4:07:28PM
I have 0 interest in seeing GSP vs Silva.

I'd much rather see Silva vs Jones.
Cooler
10/27/12 8:11:49PM

Posted by Bubbles
yeah that is exacly what you said:



To stay relevant at the TOP of the P4P talk yes he has to fight a P4P top guy, herp herp. Notice I did put a distinction in there that flew over your head.


Posted by Bubbles
I figured you would be smart enough to realize that GSP was trying to hype the fight rather than actually believe it. Everyone with half a brain knew it was a mismatch and he was trying to draw more interest to it. But I guess guys like Cote and Leites are so much more dangerous to Silva than Hardy was to GSP right?



At least Silva didn't lie and claim Leities was his toughest opponent, then proceed to half ass two locked up armbars on Hardy, a guy with sub-par grappling...At least Silva showed his disdain for the mismatches, Maia, Leities, Cote, while GSP held back in his easiest fights, Shields, Kos, Hardy.


Posted by Bubbles
BJ Penn is a welterweight. He was a former champ and has been there for the last 2 years.



He wasn't a WW at the time, he was a LW champion. Aren't you the guy who was trying to discredit Vitor for the LHW title shot because he "shouldn't have been LHW champion" but since BJ was a former WW champ it makes perfect sense for GSP...sure it was a grudge match and a super fight but then GSP proceeds to never really challenge himself again which is why nobody considers him P4P best anymore or the discussion between who is P4P better GSP and Silva has died down because we have seen that GSP doesn't care about P4P, which is fine but don't defend the guy for ducking Anderson when Anderson even agreed to fight him at 170.


Posted by Bubbles
If he was a LW then he would be fighting down there.



BJ was LW champ at the time, herp derp x2.


Posted by Bubbles
Also your definition of p4p is flawed. P4P is all about who is the better fighter if size wasn't a factor and we use current results as a measure of that since there is a size discrepancy.



That's imaginary bullshit, it we are to put it objectively in the real world, its about the guy who can overcome weight. Royce Gracie would be a P4P guy because he fought guys out of his weight class and BJ who fought Machida at 205 or Genki Sudo who fought Butterbean at 300+lbs not a guy who fights mostly smaller WW's than him, a small LW who almost beat him a few years before that and got KO'd by a small WW. GSP is far from the top of a realistic P4P scenario, even Aldo would give him a run for his money and I would pay big to see that.


Posted by Bubbles
Penn got taken down by a FW, why couldn't GSP do the same to 200lb Penn?



That's not BJ Penn at a natural 200lbs that's a fat BJ Penn, he is still at his same height and body mass, put BJ at the weight height and weight as GSP and you've got a completely different fight, especially since BJ was known for having a crazy sprawl or did you forget that? GSP tried his best to get him down in their second fight in the first round and couldn't until BJ gassed out...Who's the one who's P4P illiterate again when you say something as ridiculous as that?


Posted by Bubbles
Not to mention he would gas after 8 minutes of GSP's pace. If GSP were to be 6'3 215 lbs, he would have a field day vs Anderson...so should I make the claim that Silva isn't the top fighter in the world right now?



Sure you could but too bad GSP doesn't like to get hit and the first knee or punch that Ando hits him with would make his glass heart come out. I mean seriously if Serra and Hughes can do it, Ando definitely can, and probably at any weight.
thevoodooninja
10/27/12 9:32:56PM

Posted by slapshot

I have 0 interest in seeing GSP vs Silva.

I'd much rather see Silva vs Jones.



same here