Sonnen Has Been Undergoing Hormone Replacement Therapy For at Least the Past Year and Assumed CSAC Knew

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MMA-San
11/19/10 12:25:25AM
According to the story, Sonnen has been undergoing hormone replacement therapy since before his fight with Yushin Okami, which he reported to and was given clearance to fight by the California State Athletic Commission prior to the the bout. Because it is a permanent treatment Sonnen allegedly assumed his doctor prescribed required testosterone treatment would be on file, and thus never re-reported it to the commission.

Testosterone levels can drop off for various reasons, including age, hereditary reasons or because of stress the endocrine system is due to a number of variables, not limited to repeated weight fluctuation and dehydration caused by weight cutting.

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MMA-San
11/19/10 12:26:24AM
Not sure if this closes a can of worms or opens a new one.
ChokeUout
11/19/10 1:17:32AM
Here's the bottom line:

He took testosterone. He tested abnormally high for it. Therefore, it's considered a performance enhancer.

He took PED's, he should be out until September. At that point, he should have to grind out a couple uneventful decisions before he gets back to the title.

This does nothing to clear his name IMO.

*Chael Sonnen (I think that's a star, not an asterex, but you get the point)
jiujitsufreak74
11/19/10 1:56:08AM

Posted by ChokeUout

Here's the bottom line:

He took testosterone. He tested abnormally high for it. Therefore, it's considered a performance enhancer.

He took PED's, he should be out until September. At that point, he should have to grind out a couple uneventful decisions before he gets back to the title.

This does nothing to clear his name IMO.

*Chael Sonnen (I think that's a star, not an asterex, but you get the point)



i disagree. i actually think this might allow him to win. he will get punished, but if you look at the facts you can see why he has a legitimate case:


These are the facts, as best I can ascertain. - Sonnen is on Hormone Replacement Therapy. - HRT is a "permanent therapy" and not something you do for three months and then are done with it. - When he fought Okami in LA, Sonnen declared it, jumped through hoops and did the entire shebang. - CSAC approved it. - Sonnen came back to fight in Cali again and, since HRT is a permanent therapy and in his case had been approved by CSAC before, he didn't think he'd have to jump through hoops AGAIN. - Unbeknownst to him, CSAC had changed since his last fight in California and the new commission wanted to turn over a new leaf and be nothing like the commission of old.


The CSAC had already approved this HRT. because of this precedent he has a very good chance of winning his appeal.
submissionartist1
11/19/10 2:21:38AM

Posted by jiujitsufreak74


Posted by ChokeUout

Here's the bottom line:

He took testosterone. He tested abnormally high for it. Therefore, it's considered a performance enhancer.

He took PED's, he should be out until September. At that point, he should have to grind out a couple uneventful decisions before he gets back to the title.

This does nothing to clear his name IMO.

*Chael Sonnen (I think that's a star, not an asterex, but you get the point)



i disagree. i actually think this might allow him to win. he will get punished, but if you look at the facts you can see why he has a legitimate case:


These are the facts, as best I can ascertain. - Sonnen is on Hormone Replacement Therapy. - HRT is a "permanent therapy" and not something you do for three months and then are done with it. - When he fought Okami in LA, Sonnen declared it, jumped through hoops and did the entire shebang. - CSAC approved it. - Sonnen came back to fight in Cali again and, since HRT is a permanent therapy and in his case had been approved by CSAC before, he didn't think he'd have to jump through hoops AGAIN. - Unbeknownst to him, CSAC had changed since his last fight in California and the new commission wanted to turn over a new leaf and be nothing like the commission of old.


The CSAC had already approved this HRT. because of this precedent he has a very good chance of winning his appeal.



Yeah but so does nick diaz with the medi pot and that pull no strings
Aether
11/19/10 3:03:47AM

Posted by ChokeUout

Here's the bottom line:

He took testosterone. He tested abnormally high for it. Therefore, it's considered a performance enhancer.

He took PED's, he should be out until September. At that point, he should have to grind out a couple uneventful decisions before he gets back to the title.

This does nothing to clear his name IMO.

*Chael Sonnen (I think that's a star, not an asterex, but you get the point)



Uhhhh, he was prescribed them by a doctor, reported it to the CSAC in a previous fight and was cleared. How does this do nothing to clear his name? rofl. It is pretty clear evidence that he wasn't just cheating if what he is saying is true.
Kpro
11/19/10 4:05:46AM
bojangalz
11/19/10 6:00:01AM
If this in fact what Sonnen's reason for elevated levels is going to be than wouldn't you expect him to get out in front of the story immediately following the first news of the botched test? I'm not certain what his reason for waiting would be (especailly for someone who likes to talk as much as he does).

I'm sure when asked he'll provide the obigatory "I was acting on the advice of my legal council not to speak on the matter." Which I suppose will have to pass for reason enough to stay quite.

Do I think there's a legit possibility that Chael has a hormonal defiency? Sure. But at the same time you're not going to be able to pull the wool over my eyes on the issue. He may injecting legal, prescribed replacement hormones, but that leaves a wide open door to continue to inject god knows what else as well.

He's got a built in excuse for elevated testosterone. As does anyone else who is able to obtain a legitimate prescription for such theropies. I think it would be foolish to not at least suspect him of using more than simply what he is prescribed.

Frankly though, at the end of the day who really gives a damn. The PED witch-hunt is one of the biggest fallacies of sports media history. The fact of the matter is there has never been a true scientific study that proves the moderate use of steroids has any negative short term or long term effects on the human body.
ianinspain
11/19/10 7:02:19AM
Given how vocal we know he is I am very supprised this was not mentioned before. I would have expected him to have come straight out and explained this situation ages ago
postman
11/19/10 7:54:22AM
If he is telling the truth and has proff to back it up he is going to be fine Randy Couture does the same type of therapy and Joe Rogan spoke of it on a fight broadcast.
BigBadAl
11/19/10 8:48:46AM
Does that mean if he stops taking testosterone replacements there is a chance he will become Gayle Sonnen?
tallica62
11/19/10 9:05:31AM
so he's either becoming or a woman, or a woman trying to become a man? or going through menopause?
pmoney
11/19/10 11:11:56AM
If he had been cleared once by the CSAC, then why the suspension? You would think the Athletic Commission would be on it. Just call it a loss. He got sloppy towards the end and got caught in the triangle. **** Belfort, do Sonnen v. Silva 2, if you have questions about the pandora's box for additional substance abuse that this opens, take it up with the CSAC who cleared him to fight Okami.

If the statements in the original article are all true, I would equate it to Dez Bryant being suspended in college football for lying about hanging out with Neon Deon. There were no rules broken, he just lied about it so he got punished. Lame!!
RearNakedJoke
11/19/10 11:49:05AM

Posted by tallica62

so he's either becoming or a woman, or a woman trying to become a man? or going through menopause?



manopause would be more accurate
jiujitsufreak74
11/19/10 2:24:49PM

Posted by submissionartist1

Yeah but so does nick diaz with the medi pot and that pull no strings



as far as i know nick diaz was never cleared previously for marijuana under the CSAC. for the Okami fight Sonnen had the CSAC clear this treatment, and he assumed that since he cleared it already he didn't have to do it again. he was wrong for assuming, but he has a good case to win his appeal.

and as for why he wasn't vocal about it, Sonnen is only vocal to promote himself. he is probably embarrassed about this and wanted to keep it quite until the trial happened. trhis information was not disclosed by Sonnen, but by Meltzer. this leads me to beleive it is true and that SOnnen just doesn't want to talk about it.
Kpro
11/19/10 2:39:09PM

Posted by jiujitsufreak74


Posted by submissionartist1

Yeah but so does nick diaz with the medi pot and that pull no strings



as far as i know nick diaz was never cleared previously for marijuana under the CSAC. for the Okami fight Sonnen had the CSAC clear this treatment, and he assumed that since he cleared it already he didn't have to do it again. he was wrong for assuming, but he has a good case to win his appeal.



If I remember right, the AC had a different regime at the time and basically had in effect told Diaz that they would let him know a few weeks in advance if he would have to take a drug test. Basically making it a wink wink not so random test. Nothing being on file. Then they basically said he had to take a drug test in the next day or two prior to a fight so he pulled out of it. That was all per Cesar Gracie and hopefully I got the details right as I didn't look it up, but that's the basic idea. I think that's what is being referred to.
scooter19820
11/19/10 4:29:50PM
"The issue would be whether or not he informed the commission ahead of time, because in cases like that, at least in Nevada, you have to ask for an exemption well in advance, have the commission doctors and your doctors talk and get it approved, and you still can't have a higher than normal level in your system when being tested which requires additional lab work. Those type of exemptions being approved are rare."

I hope Sonnen is telling the truth, but it does state here in the article that you still can't have a higher than normal level in your system when being tested. They found a much higher level then normal in his system, so I think he would still have to receive a stiff penalty.
Kpro
11/19/10 4:40:35PM

Posted by scooter19820

"The issue would be whether or not he informed the commission ahead of time, because in cases like that, at least in Nevada, you have to ask for an exemption well in advance, have the commission doctors and your doctors talk and get it approved, and you still can't have a higher than normal level in your system when being tested which requires additional lab work. Those type of exemptions being approved are rare."

I hope Sonnen is telling the truth, but it does state here in the article that you still can't have a higher than normal level in your system when being tested. They found a much higher level then normal in his system, so I think he would still have to receive a stiff penalty.



I don't know if this is a daily/weekly/etc therapy or even how it's taken but I'd assume that right when you take it, your levels would spike just like when you take any other form of medication. I don't know how you'd prove one way or the other how recently it was taken prior to the test but if you're inflated level is consistent with a normal recent dose....
tcunningham
11/19/10 5:09:16PM
i hope it clears his name for the middleweight divisions sake. i was really not impressed with marquart (sp?) or okami. as for vitor i still get the feeling that he is getting a title shot kinda early. im not complaining because i like vitor but i think they needed a fight for silva because there just isnt that many other fighters in the division that deserved a shot. sonnen has so far been the only fighter to point out silvas weekness and now silvas fighting vitor who is a standup guy puting the fight right back into silvas strenghts. i hope sonnen gets another chance at silva to see if silva has brushed up on his wrestling defense. champions should be tested, and sonnen tested silva. we already know silvas got great hands so i want to see a wrestler fight silva again so that is also a reason i was happy to see okami beat nate.
Chael_Sonnen
11/19/10 5:35:49PM
Everything will be fine as I knew it would be.
mrsmiley
11/19/10 8:21:05PM

Posted by bojangalz

If this in fact what Sonnen's reason for elevated levels is going to be than wouldn't you expect him to get out in front of the story immediately following the first news of the botched test? I'm not certain what his reason for waiting would be (especailly for someone who likes to talk as much as he does).

I'm sure when asked he'll provide the obigatory "I was acting on the advice of my legal council not to speak on the matter." Which I suppose will have to pass for reason enough to stay quite.

Do I think there's a legit possibility that Chael has a hormonal defiency? Sure. But at the same time you're not going to be able to pull the wool over my eyes on the issue. He may injecting legal, prescribed replacement hormones, but that leaves a wide open door to continue to inject god knows what else as well.

He's got a built in excuse for elevated testosterone. As does anyone else who is able to obtain a legitimate prescription for such theropies. I think it would be foolish to not at least suspect him of using more than simply what he is prescribed.

Frankly though, at the end of the day who really gives a damn. The PED witch-hunt is one of the biggest fallacies of sports media history. The fact of the matter is there has never been a true scientific study that proves the moderate use of steroids has any negative short term or long term effects on the human body.



I'm in complete agreement with you.
I really take note of what you mentioned in the beginning of your post.
Why wait so long to release this? Sonnen cancled apperances and everything. Becoming almost mute. And after all this time he finally releases this? He should have been screaming this right after the #($^ hit the fan.
CCPRIDE99
11/19/10 11:26:21PM
Off the top of my head I just thought this: as a fighter myself I know that every 180 days ill have to get bloodwork done in order for them to let me fight. If I don't get the bloodwork and show proof to the doctors and get the ok slip ill get in trouble Regardless of whether I have something or not. Bottom line is that chael is a retard for not covering his ass. Especially with all that was on the line
shane
11/20/10 7:52:14AM
true or not it sounds like he is tring to save face after all the crap he talked about Armstrong.
DJBlankenship
11/21/10 5:30:12PM
I hope he gets it appealed. I was a semi-Sonnen fan before and after the Silva fight, well he moved up to my favorite. Like him or not, the guy comes to fight and you are going to have to beat a man like that. Any fighter that goes out and puts it all on the line has my respect. Do I think he's the best in the world.....HELL NO. And I'm not saying he would beat the best. All I'm saying is if you put him up against any fighter, any weight class, Sonnen would make it a fight.

If the UFC had more guys like this, we would never see a boring fight.
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