Silva, Sherk Successfully Defend Titles at UFC 73; Ortiz foul costs him win

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Canadian_MM_EH
7/8/07 1:39:06AM
SACRAMENTO, July 7 – It was supposed to be one of Anderson Silva’s
toughest tests,but instead, his win over respected challenger Nate Marquardt at the Arco Arena tonight proved to be one of his greatest victories, as he defended his UFC middleweight crown for the first time with a decisive first round TKO in the UFC 73 main event.Read the Rest @->LINK
xphycorx
7/8/07 2:26:09AM
i felt that mccarthy shouldn't have stood marquardt and silva up. marquardt was on top of silva in good position and was keeping busy on silva so i don't think that mccarthy should've stood them up. i've seen mccarthy do this before and i dont like it. he stands people up way too fast. if he would've let the fight continue on the ground i think we might be talking about how great a victory it was for marquardt. not to take anything away from silva, who looked great after taking advantage of mccarthy's call to stand them up, but marquardt was in a position that he wanted to be in and mccarthy stood him up. anyone agree with me??
cmill21
7/8/07 3:10:42AM
No, I felt it was a good stand up. He wasn't causing any damage, I didn't think he was keeping very busy and improving his position. Even if they stayed on the ground anderson would just be celebrating a submission victory. He's just the better fighter.
warglory
7/8/07 3:26:10AM
I agree with cmill, it was a good stand up. Nate wasn't being offensive at all, he was pulling a Tito.
Lord_Lenny
7/8/07 5:40:56AM

Posted by warglory

I agree with cmill, it was a good stand up. Nate wasn't being offensive at all, he was pulling a Tito.


Aside from the last 3 minutes, Tito pushed the pace in the whole fight, so nate was pulling a rashad
tmas
7/8/07 6:20:34AM
you do realize mR Silva has extremely good BJJ skils aye? He is what i dunno an uber bbelt?


It didnt matter Nate wasnt gonna win regardless, on the ground, stand up, with both of anderson's feet tied together and arms tied behind his back. whatever he isnt as goooood!
silverbullet
7/8/07 9:27:47AM
McCarthy made a good call standing them up, and Silva would have won either way, it was a domination
StevieC
7/8/07 11:34:14AM
The card was "Stacked" but to say the least was not as entertaining as it could of been.

I picked Nate to win because of his ground game but Silva showed me he is miles ahead of NM...

I'm sorry though, Tito and Evans was very uneventful in my mind. Neither fighter did what they do, they didn't fight their game, and Tito's "great conditioning" seemed to be non-existant come the 3rd round...


What about Big Nog almost being knocked out?? Gosh would Dana White of pissed his pants or what? First Cro Cop then Nog...that would of been funny.

With the exception of Sherk's domination the card didn't live up to expectations in my mind.


Well it was my first time picking fights and I tried to pick upsets but it looks like I might do the safer picks come August....
Brodskys
7/8/07 11:45:58AM
I agree with xphycorx. But, I disagree with all stand-ups in MMA. The ground game is part of the fight. If a guy is in your guard and is not doing anything, you should be able to fight out of it. The fighters should be able to work though it. Yes, it makes for a boring fight to the 85% of fans who have no idea what’s going on anyway, but for the hard core fan it’s obvious that it’s just another aspect of the fight and the fighters’ strategy. How many fights have we seen where both fighters just dance around on the feet, never committing, and just try not to make a mistake? Many guys who are considered stand-up fighters will often times, stall on the feet and not look to finish fights. You don’t see the ref putting them on the ground do to a lack of action! So why when the ref believes the action is slow, or the ref thinks one guy is not working hard enough to improve his position, he stands them back up. McCarthy is notorious for doing this. Bottom line is that if Marquardt would have laid-and-prayed the entire fight, he would have lost anyway. It should be up to the fighters though, and not the ref. I believe the ref is there to make sure the rules are not violated; but he should not dictate where the fight takes place based on his personal observation.
wapttn
7/8/07 12:08:18PM
a standup is called for two reasons, if neither fighter is advancing his position, or no damage is being caused. To the hardcore fan.. its still boring to watch two fighters on the guard, failing to cause damage or improve their position. Scrambling back to your feed creates opening for your opponent, and if they're doing nothing on top keeping a defensive closed guard is a better idea.

There are far more instances of two fighters on the ground doing nothing (tito/rashad), then people on their feet doing nothing (sanchez/koscheck), when they dont committ and dance around for too long, they dont get put to the ground, the ref usually threatens to take a point away (arlovski/werdum).

you wanna see a fight, watch ufc.. you wanna see two half naked guys squirm around on the ground for 15 minutes.. thats another channel.
JWall023
7/8/07 12:12:55PM
omgosh when i saw big nog fall i about pissed my pants, i blinked and missed the kick so i was like sitting there dumbfounded. but holy crap if he would of lost that fight i would of soiled myself
blowe1983
7/8/07 1:11:13PM
yea nogs so lucky that the fight didnt get called. he was definately out i cant believe he came out of it. they've called so many bigger fights faster than i can blink. ex. liddell and jackson. that was the best fight other than that the stacked card was pure crap.
grappler0000
7/8/07 1:31:12PM

Posted by wapttn

a standup is called for two reasons, if neither fighter is advancing his position, or no damage is being caused. To the hardcore fan.. its still boring to watch two fighters on the guard, failing to cause damage or improve their position. Scrambling back to your feed creates opening for your opponent, and if they're doing nothing on top keeping a defensive closed guard is a better idea.

There are far more instances of two fighters on the ground doing nothing (tito/rashad), then people on their feet doing nothing (sanchez/koscheck), when they dont committ and dance around for too long, they dont get put to the ground, the ref usually threatens to take a point away (arlovski/werdum).

you wanna see a fight, watch ufc.. you wanna see two half naked guys squirm around on the ground for 15 minutes.. thats another channel.



Something you have to keep in mind is that part of the reason for stalemates on the ground is the person on bottom knows that if they hang in there long enough defensively, they will be stood up...in fact, several fighters have built their ground game for defense only, as a result of standups. The ground game is a part of MMA and should not be altered. MMA is suppose to mimic a real fight, with obvious rules set in place for safety reasons. Standups are one of those rare rules that the UFC (as well as other orgs) put in place for entertainment reasons, rather than safety. The ref should be in there to ensure safety, not excitement. If they want more excitement, then they should implement a financial penalization system as a motivator. Standups can change the outcome of fights...I don't think that is a good tradeoff for excitement. And, by excitement, I mean what the current day crowds with A.D.D. seem to demand. To the casual fan, KO's are more exciting than submissions, so organizations seem to cater to this.
Brodskys
7/8/07 1:38:13PM
To wapttn...

1. You are clearly a master of the obvious. Yeah, I know why fighters are stood up, and I understand why fighters position differently while in the guard (or “on the guard” as you put it).

2. I was merely stating my opinion that the fighters rather than the ref, should be permitted to let the fight go wherever it goes, however it goes. Yes, it may be boring for some, or even most. But if you are looking for excitement, perhaps you should go to that channel with which you seem to be so familiar.

Canadian-Pain
7/8/07 1:43:40PM
For how good the card should have been it wasn't insanely entertaining

1) Nog should have lost, that Texan was a moron, wtf are you doing standing up
2) Sherk was a machine
3) Tito sucked...again. Evans looked afraid to get hit, but Tito should have taken it to him more then he did
4) Florian was impressive, he looks like he lost alot of weight


was a 6 outta 10 night for me not horrible not great.
blowe1983
7/8/07 1:46:34PM
i give it a 4 out of 10 just not what it shouldve been to me at all
k_lup07
7/8/07 3:13:41PM
herring was impressive, much more than his own debut. though i like minotauro, i think the fact they paid a lot of money for him had to do with his win. sherk is a monster by definition but hermes did decent . rashad/ortiz was a fair call, but evans shouldve stuck with striking. i was dissappointed by the great, but silva is the best.

made me sick how the fans started booing, all they want is a bloodsport.
italianpride
7/8/07 7:53:37PM

Posted by blowe1983

yea nogs so lucky that the fight didnt get called. he was definately out i cant believe he came out of it. they've called so many bigger fights faster than i can blink. ex. liddell and jackson. that was the best fight other than that the stacked card was pure crap.



LOL Chuck vs Rampage??? Nog was stunned, fell down, but Heath never capitalized on the ground, he did nothing, then waved for him to get up.

Last time I checked Rampage went to the mat with Chuck and proceeded to pound his face in, so sorry to disappoint another Chuck fan but the GUY WAS OUT!!! LET IT GO!!! YOU'LL LIVE!!! WAIT TIL YOU SEE WHAT WANDERLEI DOES TO HIM!!!
Btews22
7/8/07 9:46:04PM
Silvia overpowered a inferior opponent, the UFC did a great job selling this fight and propping up a lackluster Marquart, I still have a lot of questions and am not convinced that Silva is the next great shutebox fighter over all UFC 73 was a great show and i enjoyed every minute from section 120 at Arco last night
DevonFoxy
7/8/07 9:48:49PM
I see how Ortiz got dominated by Evans like everyone was saying lol. Ortiz had the fight won if he could lay off the fence and personally i think he he dominated that round and it should have been 9-8 but yea there will be a rematch and we'll see what happens. I liked the thumbnail that rashad used. Its funny because thats the only damage he did.
Sam_Rothstein
7/9/07 3:59:11AM
tito looked like a real bitch holding on the fence all night. granted tito had a good 1st and 2nd round, but he didnt look like the old tito at all and it was a pretty boring fight

oh and the texas crazy horse is a ******* idiot for blowing his chance at another huge upset in mma
Aether
7/9/07 6:33:44AM

Posted by grappler0000


Posted by wapttn

a standup is called for two reasons, if neither fighter is advancing his position, or no damage is being caused. To the hardcore fan.. its still boring to watch two fighters on the guard, failing to cause damage or improve their position. Scrambling back to your feed creates opening for your opponent, and if they're doing nothing on top keeping a defensive closed guard is a better idea.

There are far more instances of two fighters on the ground doing nothing (tito/rashad), then people on their feet doing nothing (sanchez/koscheck), when they dont committ and dance around for too long, they dont get put to the ground, the ref usually threatens to take a point away (arlovski/werdum).

you wanna see a fight, watch ufc.. you wanna see two half naked guys squirm around on the ground for 15 minutes.. thats another channel.



Something you have to keep in mind is that part of the reason for stalemates on the ground is the person on bottom knows that if they hang in there long enough defensively, they will be stood up...in fact, several fighters have built their ground game for defense only, as a result of standups. The ground game is a part of MMA and should not be altered. MMA is suppose to mimic a real fight, with obvious rules set in place for safety reasons. Standups are one of those rare rules that the UFC (as well as other orgs) put in place for entertainment reasons, rather than safety. The ref should be in there to ensure safety, not excitement. If they want more excitement, then they should implement a financial penalization system as a motivator. Standups can change the outcome of fights...I don't think that is a good tradeoff for excitement. And, by excitement, I mean what the current day crowds with A.D.D. seem to demand. To the casual fan, KO's are more exciting than submissions, so organizations seem to cater to this.



It has nothing to do with submissions being less entertaining.... People don't get stood up when they're making submission attempts. They get stood up when absolutely nothing is happening and there is a stalemate on the ground. This would happen regardless of if there was a standup rule or not. Some fighters simply don't know how to be offensive on the ground, or when faced with a superior ground opponent, someone with good GnP for example, it's simply safer to close the distance between the two of you to neutralize any advantage he has on the ground. I think it's pretty rare that fighters tailor their ground defense to get standups. It's more often just the most viable strategy.

Standups are a good thing, who honestly wants to watch someone lay in another guy's guard while having his arms held down for a whole fight? I don't see how anyone could prefer to watch a complete stalemate where no one is accomplishing their objective... MMA is supposed to mimmick a real fight, yeah... but are there judges in a real fight who allow you to lay on top of your opponent for 15 minutes without making any attempt to hurt him? No, in a real fight your objective is to render your opponent unable to defend himself, and standups work to that end by counteracting another unnatural addition to the fight.(judges) They actually make it closer to a real fight IMO. You shouldn't be able to Lay n Pray victories, that's not how "real" fights happen and doesn't really determine who is the better fighter. If both opponents neutralize each other on the ground to the point where no action takes place, doesn't it make sense to then force the fighters into using their other primary method of fighting to determine who is more skilled all-around?
Signal2112
7/9/07 7:47:43AM
I enjoyed the card, in general, but it wasn't great.

Nogueira's fight was good, especially watching him punch Herring in the face repeatedly, but I did get a fright when got knocked down.

Sherk was impressive as usual, despite the fact that Franca is clearly no can and nearly put him out with that knee.

Rashad didn't commit, otherwise he would easily have won. Tito looked lacklustre as usual and didn't seem to mouth much offense, or do anything at all apart from grab the fence and gas out.

Silva, well, I expected him to win. Good fight though.

Florian's victory was good too, despite the fact that it was a bit of an anti climax!
blowe1983
7/9/07 1:04:59PM

Posted by italianpride


Posted by blowe1983

yea nogs so lucky that the fight didnt get called. he was definately out i cant believe he came out of it. they've called so many bigger fights faster than i can blink. ex. liddell and jackson. that was the best fight other than that the stacked card was pure crap.



LOL Chuck vs Rampage??? Nog was stunned, fell down, but Heath never capitalized on the ground, he did nothing, then waved for him to get up.

Last time I checked Rampage went to the mat with Chuck and proceeded to pound his face in, so sorry to disappoint another Chuck fan but the GUY WAS OUT!!! LET IT GO!!! YOU'LL LIVE!!! WAIT TIL YOU SEE WHAT WANDERLEI DOES TO HIM!!!




nog was out!!! heath was on top of him and punching him he just didnt do any damage you ass!! last time i checked nog went to the mat and heath went after him he just didnt capatilize. nog got a huge break any other fight it wouldve been called and i was using chuck and rampage as an example. wait until i see what wanderlei does to him??? you're an idiot just because somebody started the rumor of them fighting doesnt mean its going to happen. or wait unless every fight confirmation goes through you and its already booked. oh yea its not. who said i was a chuck fan in the first place??? nice ignorant post
blowe1983
7/9/07 1:08:19PM

Posted by DevonFoxy

I see how Ortiz got dominated by Evans like everyone was saying lol. Ortiz had the fight won if he could lay off the fence and personally i think he he dominated that round and it should have been 9-8 but yea there will be a rematch and we'll see what happens. I liked the thumbnail that rashad used. Its funny because thats the only damage he did.



oh and i see how ortiz dominated evans. you cant criticize just one of these fighters. two if ortiz wouldnt have grabbed on the fence he clearly wouldve got taken down and you dont know what evans wouldve done to him. oh man look at all the damage tito did pffffttt what a joke
PaulyD
7/9/07 1:12:08PM
I'm with the guy who posted a few mssgs back - WAY too much boo-ing from the crowd, and totally inappropriate. As for the fights, who knows what Herring was thinking...Sherk impressed the hell out of me, I picked him to take a decision but he was way better than I expected. Was let down a little by Tito - in my eyes, the takedown in the last 20 seconds or whatever only made that an even round, I still had Ortiz 29-28, but he was breathing out of his ass at the end of the third for sure. I'm still not sold on Evans, and he looked a little over awed when it came to fight. Neither impressed me enough to think they'll be earning a title shot any time soon.

As for Silva, goddamn I don't know who's going to take his title away any time soon, don't know about you guys, but Rich Franklin (and his nose) didn't exactly looked thrilled to be witness to that finish. I don't see a rematch going any differently to the last fight - maybe a few minutes longer.

Pauly.
blowe1983
7/9/07 1:19:11PM

Posted by PaulyD

I'm with the guy who posted a few mssgs back - WAY too much boo-ing from the crowd, and totally inappropriate. As for the fights, who knows what Herring was thinking...Sherk impressed the hell out of me, I picked him to take a decision but he was way better than I expected. Was let down a little by Tito - in my eyes, the takedown in the last 20 seconds or whatever only made that an even round, I still had Ortiz 29-28, but he was breathing out of his ass at the end of the third for sure. I'm still not sold on Evans, and he looked a little over awed when it came to fight. Neither impressed me enough to think they'll be earning a title shot any time soon.

As for Silva, goddamn I don't know who's going to take his title away any time soon, don't know about you guys, but Rich Franklin (and his nose) didn't exactly looked thrilled to be witness to that finish. I don't see a rematch going any differently to the last fight - maybe a few minutes longer.

Pauly.



haha yea franklin didnt looked thrilled at all. yea i think it was definately obvious that evans was in awe and tito though i dont like him was disappointing. i think a rematch would be good next time though
italianpride
7/9/07 11:56:44PM

Posted by blowe1983


Posted by italianpride


Posted by blowe1983

yea nogs so lucky that the fight didnt get called. he was definately out i cant believe he came out of it. they've called so many bigger fights faster than i can blink. ex. liddell and jackson. that was the best fight other than that the stacked card was pure crap.



LOL Chuck vs Rampage??? Nog was stunned, fell down, but Heath never capitalized on the ground, he did nothing, then waved for him to get up.

Last time I checked Rampage went to the mat with Chuck and proceeded to pound his face in, so sorry to disappoint another Chuck fan but the GUY WAS OUT!!! LET IT GO!!! YOU'LL LIVE!!! WAIT TIL YOU SEE WHAT WANDERLEI DOES TO HIM!!!




nog was out!!! heath was on top of him and punching him he just didnt do any damage you ass!! last time i checked nog went to the mat and heath went after him he just didnt capatilize. nog got a huge break any other fight it wouldve been called and i was using chuck and rampage as an example. wait until i see what wanderlei does to him??? you're an idiot just because somebody started the rumor of them fighting doesnt mean its going to happen. or wait unless every fight confirmation goes through you and its already booked. oh yea its not. who said i was a chuck fan in the first place??? nice ignorant post



Yeah Nog was so out that he threw up a guard and waved off the ref while using his arms to defend punches, or maybe you missed all three of those motions, which is why Herring stood back up. Nog didn't get any break, he would've wrapped a guard on him and controlled Heath's wrists which is why he stood up, but something tells me you've never seen his fights vs CC, Fedor and Bob Sapp. I'm an idiot?? Lol Wanderlei and Chuck have already commented on the fight saying it's happening, when is still up in the air but it's definitely happening, and last time I checked Dana White also said it was happening. Whether it's Chuck's next fight in Sept. or the one after it's happening, so maybe you should do some research before opening your mouth and you won't get embarassed like you just did. "or wait unless every fight confirmation goes through you and its already booked. oh yea its not. " lol and i'm ignorant?? Thanks for coming out kid.
italianpride
7/9/07 11:59:54PM
Rashad did far more damage striking in all three rounds, every TD Tito had he did nothing with it, he couldn't even put Rashad on his back, he just bear hugged him as Rashad sat on his ass. When Rashad took down Tito he almost got choked the 1st time (would've been the 3rd if Tito wasn't holding the cage and saved the round for him) and in the 3rd round Rashad again outstruck Tito and took him, down flattened him out, obtained across side position, and began striking. I think all you Tito diehards need to take off your blinders and rewatch the fight from an unbiased perspective, but that's like asking UFC fans to admit PRIDE had far better cards, far better talent, and a far better announcing team (when it was Bas and Quadros-Mauro)...so forget it.
Lord_Lenny
7/10/07 12:50:05AM

Posted by italianpride

Rashad did far more damage striking in all three rounds, every TD Tito had he did nothing with it, he couldn't even put Rashad on his back, he just bear hugged him as Rashad sat on his ass. When Rashad took down Tito he almost got choked the 1st time (would've been the 3rd if Tito wasn't holding the cage and saved the round for him) and in the 3rd round Rashad again outstruck Tito and took him, down flattened him out, obtained across side position, and began striking. I think all you Tito diehards need to take off your blinders and rewatch the fight from an unbiased perspective, but that's like asking UFC fans to admit PRIDE had far better cards, far better talent, and a far better announcing team (when it was Bas and Quadros-Mauro)...so forget it.


Rashad did damage with two punches, one being a thumbnail that cut him, Tito landed more clean punches, and when he took him down he was trying to get Rashad off the cage and on the ground not just laying on him. You cant honestly say that Rashad won that fight, the draw was correct get over it. Tito pushed the pace the whole fight and Rashad backed away, the takedown at the end secured the uneventful round for Rashad and thats it. And drop the whole UFC vs Pride thing its all been said a million times and look where PRIDE is now
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