Seven Things we learned from UFC 74: Respect

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loller90278
8/27/07 1:33:46PM
see what ESPN writer Ryan Hockensmith has to say about ufc 74. i personally disagree with some of them, especially the comments about kendal grove and roger huerta.

read the article here
babalu2720
8/27/07 2:25:49PM
I agree than Huerta is overrated...maybe overrated isn't the right word, its unproven, how many more gimme matches is he going to get...give him some competion
kaduey
8/27/07 2:26:23PM
Huerta overrated? Kendall Grove a superstar? I guess I was watching a UFC 74 from a parallel universe.
Chris_Keppel
8/27/07 2:31:45PM
He's not very bright. Sean Sherk* Not Shirk.
jgtribbett
8/27/07 3:00:24PM
kendall grove might be ok but i dont know if he will be a star anyttime lsoon
LR
8/27/07 3:11:39PM
One thing we learned from UFC 74: ESPN has crappy writers.
three_days_of_grey
8/27/07 3:13:15PM
1. Why shouldn't White be excited? He just the signed one of the biggest remaining names in the free market that will eventually set-up the long awaited Liddell/Silva contest.
2. This paragraph is full of contradictions.

Huerta has the ability to beat any 155-pounder on the planet.

Guys like BJ Penn or Sean Shirk would take him down and pound him right now

Huerta showed sound submission defense througout the fight. I think he risked getting caught in the later sub attempts because he felt Crane didnt have the strength left to pull them off.
3.

He's only 24 and looks to be getting better every day. At 6-foot-6 with arms that stretch an entire zip code, Grove is a matchup nightmare for other 185-pounders

Getting better everyday? Did the author even watch this fight? I didn't see Grove using those zip-code length arms to jab or use many kicks. The only thing he used his arms for was picking himself up after Cote stomped him. If he continues fighting like that he wouldnt stand up to Franklin/A. SIlva. He wouldn't be a matchup nightmare for some 170-pounders.
4. First off, there are only 4 people currently listed in the UFC Hall of Fame, and Hughes isn't one of them. Secondly, Koscheck- the second best welterweight in the UFC? No, he's not.
5.

Even as he approaches an age where he should be fighting off Bingo Night participants,

Cripes, he is 44 years old not 64, and so far has been in far better physical condition than each of his recent HW opponents. Yes, there will come a time when the body just wears down and doesnt respond, but Couture will know when that is long before anyone else does.
6. Finally something right, even though it is blatantly obvious even if you only watch 20 minutes of prime-time programming on Spike.
7. I can't stand the audience/celebrity shots and don't need celebrities (especially that shameless self-promoter Criss Angel), to validate my interest in UFC events.

-OUT-
Sam_Rothstein
8/27/07 3:39:30PM
i dont see how this guy has the nerve to say kendall grove is going to be a star after seeing him get knocked out by cote.....really?

a guy who is known as a submission specialist stands toe to toe with a kick boxer and gets knocked out in the first round and that makes you think he will be a star?
adamal
8/27/07 3:51:00PM

Posted by LR

One thing we learned from UFC 74: ESPN has crappy writers.



Maybe but coverage doesn't get any more mainstream than ESPN so that's cool.
Dtime_NBT
8/27/07 3:59:09PM
"In September, middleweight champion Matt Serra will defend his belt against UFC Hall of Famer Matt Hughes. But UFC 74's undercard bout between former champ Georges St. Pierre and rising star Josh Koscheck was actually the matchup of the two best in the weight class."

That right there shows me how much this guy knows about the UFC.
rcg916
8/27/07 4:24:55PM

Posted by LR

One thing we learned from UFC 74: ESPN has crappy writers.



hotrodttt
8/27/07 4:48:52PM

Posted by LR

One thing we learned from UFC 74: ESPN has crappy writers.

Kastro
8/27/07 4:49:07PM

Posted by LR

One thing we learned from UFC 74: ESPN has crappy writers.



lol..
pv3Hpv3p
8/27/07 5:09:01PM

Posted by babalu2720

I agree than Huerta is overrated...maybe overrated isn't the right word, its unproven, how many more gimme matches is he going to get...give him some competion



I couldn't agree more... And it was no more evident when we saw him fight Crane on Sat... I started to feel bad for the guy (alberto) he looked so tired...

They need to fill that TBA spot against Frankie Edgar with Huerta
silverbullet
8/27/07 5:56:51PM

Posted by Dtime_NBT

"In September, middleweight champion Matt Serra will defend his belt against UFC Hall of Famer Matt Hughes. But UFC 74's undercard bout between former champ Georges St. Pierre and rising star Josh Koscheck was actually the matchup of the two best in the weight class."

That right there shows me how much this guy knows about the UFC.



Koscheck wins against Hughes 9 times out of 10 and against Serra 99 times out of 100

GSP wins against Koscheck 9 times out of 10

You do the math
crushedbacon
8/27/07 6:49:43PM
bang on man......the two best welterweights in the ufc went at it on Saturday night.....hughes vs serra, really who cares, whoever wins is gonna get destroyed by GSP.....hopefully hughes gets KOed but I'm thinkin serra is so brutal that hughes will get a decision or a ground and pound stoppage. Thats cool though then we can watch his country bumpkin ass get spanked by GSP, and all the blind hughes fans can get introduced to reality.......boo yeah!
mizike
8/27/07 6:52:45PM
I agreed with most, huerta is unproven but has looked pretty strong, needs to be tested. And all of yall talking about Kendall not being a star have u been watching him from day one. HE has improved by leaps and bounds, undefeated in the octagon up til this point, with a sick camp at team punishment, great size, dedication and lost to a hands of steal cote who was do for a win, and cote is no slouch, Kendall looked stronger the entire fight with better clinch, knees ect until that nice overhand right that caught kendall perfectly behind the ear, and kendall still recovered fast and fought back the best he could shook, it happens, he will be back and stronger u watch. N rannnnndy is the man
Ultimate_fighter
8/27/07 6:57:40PM

Posted by LR

One thing we learned from UFC 74: ESPN has crappy writers.

thestaton
8/27/07 8:03:34PM
I'm glad someone else agreed that Huerta is way over-rated. He's got a good career as an abercrombie model, but he's going to get punished by Sherk, BJ, Nick Diaz and on and on.

And I have to say I predicted Cote would kill Kendall so I'm not sure what he's seeing there.
Chris_Keppel
8/27/07 8:15:38PM
Koscheck would get slammed by Matt Hughes. Matt Hughes is probably the second best, if not best grappler in the UFC altogether.
warglory
8/27/07 8:51:38PM
How can people say Huerta is overrated? He has dominated in every one of his matches. Were these opponents cans? Perhaps, but he looked brilliant in them. How many other fighters in the UFC have used the big screen to fight their opponent? He is a very intellectual fighter. Now, I am not saying he is a fighting prophet or something, but the dude has shown he can and should be elevated to the next level of competition no problem.
GrandMaster313
8/27/07 10:19:57PM
He should have mentioned what he said about huerta when he was talking about kendall grove. I honestley think he has the ability to become a great fighter but it is going to be a journey and a bumpy one at that. As for Randy...... I don't think Gonzaga brought the best out of Randy but he sure looked good pound'n the shit out of him! Give the man credit though for beating someone half his age and twice his size!(not really only by 13.5 pounds i think)
Let's move on to Koz Vs. St.Pierre. I wasn't really impressed by either of them. St.Pierre shook off the loss and as long as he's healthy and fights like he has something to fight for he might be back in the picture and pull a win against Hughes after he beats Serra ( I think we all know who I picked! ). By the way speaking of Huerta I think Dana needs to give this guy some COMPETITION!
I like his style of fighting but until I see him put some NAMES under his belt I will never see him as a chance to become something in the UFC. Hey Joe! You loooked pretty damn smooth out there keep it up! Lastly i'd like to conclude that why wasn't Babalu mentioned?
PaleHorse
8/27/07 11:26:31PM
One thing I really think the UFC does, is show way too much attention for the taller fighters, which is why "Da Spyda" is so well advertised. You can do some amazing things with a height advantage, but if you're anything below heavyweight you better choose where you put your muscle wisely. We can see that people favor the taller people in the UFC with Corey Hill's win over Robert Emerson in the Ultimate Fighter 5, it wasn't controversial, even Dana White said he would have picked Emerson to win, but they wanted to give Hill a bit of a bigger push into the spotlight because he is 6'4 and will draw attention as well as a fanbase, just like Tim Sylvia did, just like Kendall Grove is, just like Gan McGee did. I'm not knocking any of these fighters, but a lot of people think that height can make up for talent, which it does to an extent, but it will never carry you all the way to the belt, Tim Sylvia had the talent but got too comfortable, Gan McGee had talent but not a ton, although I'm not going to say Sylvia deserved that steroid affected win, and Kendall Grove needs work.

P.S. - Does anyone want to see "Da Spyda" versus "The Spider"? I think Grove has a worse nickname than Phil Baroni and Joe Lauzon combined, especially for a UFC middleweight fighter who might one day face Anderson Silva. Not to mention where would they hold that fight to give Grove the edge? Compton?
d_block07
8/28/07 1:33:03AM

Posted by PaleHorse
We can see that people favor the taller people in the UFC with Corey Hill's win over Robert Emerson in the Ultimate Fighter 5, it wasn't controversial, even Dana White said he would have picked Emerson to win, but they wanted to give Hill a bit of a bigger push into the spotlight because he is 6'4 and will draw attention as well as a fanbase,


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i dont think the judges scoring the fight were worried about building corey hills fanbase as they were scoring the fight, if anyone would do that it would be dana
PaleHorse
8/28/07 2:29:23AM
That was kind of what I was trying to say. My bad for not being clear on that. That wouldn't be a terrible way to appear to be the good guy. Say who you think should win and then after you fix the contest, tell the camera what the guy did wrong. Anyways, the point is that they have too much hype for tall people over talented people.
LR
8/28/07 10:39:25AM
To be perfectly honest, I don't like the advent of mainstream media and the UFC is going to see the fallout of it. You are going to see more fans booing at the ground fights, and more fans being generally hateful at that type of game. ESPN is great for exposure, but it's also great for showing the UFC in the wrong light. If we have a Sobral incident on a UFC card that possibly could be shown on ESPN in the future, the freaking media circus afterwards would be insane.
silverbullet
8/28/07 12:26:16PM

Posted by Chris_Keppel

Koscheck would get slammed by Matt Hughes. Matt Hughes is probably the second best, if not best grappler in the UFC altogether.



What is Koscheck, like four times all american? He is a much better wrestler than Matt Hughes, so that fight will never see the ground. If it does go to the ground, I am not sure that Hughes can sub Koscheck knowing how strong Koscheck is. GSP was pulling on his single arm for a good 2 minutes, and couldn't pull it out.

I say Koscheck vs Hughes goes the same way as Koscheck vs Sanchez, but since Hughes has no stand-up to speak of , he will get KTFOed.

If you think Hughes has any chance to win that fight, please explain.
PaleHorse
8/28/07 12:53:05PM
All I hope is that if they were to fight, one would try to submit the other. The last thing we need is another Tito vs. Rashad or Sean Sherk in general. Two wrestlers facing off usually make a bad fight.
alvin
8/28/07 1:15:58PM
Huges was a two time all american as well. Kos was a four time all american and placed better than Matt's 5'th and 8'th every time. He's also 5-6 years younger. I'd say Kos as a wrestler, but Matt for experience. We'll see soon enough.
alvin
8/28/07 1:22:01PM
Forgot this, I also don't understand why people say Randy is a small heavyweight. Randy would still be a ripped 250 if he didn't run like 40 miles a week. I'll go as far to say that he'd still be a semi-ripped 260. The guy most likely has less than 5% BF. Granted all that being corrrect, he'd be at 20% at 260, so maybe not semi ripped, but I'd say Silvia is over 20% at 265 and he's considered huge.
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