Re: Scoring system update poll, important!

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POLL: Should the new scoring system be applied to the existing events?
Yes 61% (135)
No 39% (85)
Eclectic
4/17/07 5:51:54AM
Did everyone forget that this season is BETA?

Expect changes to happen now and in the future, while everything gets ironed out and tested for the next season to roll out properly.

Im guessing some people are worried about the precious score for ther next bout!

Well, I voted YES, I prefer it the scoring system this way.

Eclectic
MethodMan
4/17/07 9:39:38AM
I read some people had droped like a hundred or two hundred places but if you think about it there was only one or two double hot picks that would account for about 20 points or so. The fact some people have droped so many places is more likly because the people who were below you probably had a better MMA knowledge and consistantly picked how a fight would end, these may not have been counted previously as they may not have guessed the round that the fight ended. So its not so much that people have lost as that others who have better knowledge of MMA fighters have gained more.
D-Boy
4/17/07 10:06:13AM

Posted by MethodMan

I read some people had droped like a hundred or two hundred places but if you think about it there was only one or two double hot picks that would account for about 20 points or so. The fact some people have droped so many places is more likly because the people who were below you probably had a better MMA knowledge and consistantly picked how a fight would end, these may not have been counted previously as they may not have guessed the round that the fight ended. So its not so much that people have lost as that others who have better knowledge of MMA fighters have gained more.


Totally agree
EzFlyer
4/17/07 10:18:45AM
certainly think this is a better system. i voted yes to apply it retroactively, but mainly i just want it to be in place from here on out, so either way i'm happy as long as we use the new one :) thx !
CWall33
4/17/07 10:34:25AM

Posted by EzFlyer

certainly think this is a better system. i voted yes to apply it retroactively, but mainly i just want it to be in place from here on out, so either way i'm happy as long as we use the new one :) thx !



Contradictory and uninformed statements like this would explain why the YES vote is now leading this poll.

A YES vote to apply it retroactively, but he mainly wants it to be in place "from here on out".

Unbelievable.

I think the wording of the poll is confusing some folks.
CWall33
4/17/07 10:50:46AM

Posted by MethodMan

I read some people had droped like a hundred or two hundred places but if you think about it there was only one or two double hot picks that would account for about 20 points or so. The fact some people have droped so many places is more likly because the people who were below you probably had a better MMA knowledge and consistantly picked how a fight would end, these may not have been counted previously as they may not have guessed the round that the fight ended. So its not so much that people have lost as that others who have better knowledge of MMA fighters have gained more.



That may in fact be true, but it doesn't excuse changing the rules for events that have already been scored. I cannot believe that anyone is OK with re-writing the rules for something that has already taken place.

On the other hand, I can see how this could be a software issue. Do I expect the owners of this site to re-write the software to apply two separate scoring systems for this season? No. But they have not weighed in on this issue yet. Is that their rationale for doing it this way? Or, as some have stated, the site is still in BETA (in which case, they should not yet be offering a $500 prize for first place.), so any and all changes are to be expected.


New rules = good.
Retro to past events = bad.
Simple as that.
Rush
4/17/07 11:04:32AM
Either change the scoring system after season one is finished or retroactively change all events that have finished so far. Either one of these are fine for me.

I am not for changing the scoring part way through the season without retroactively updating the scores for the previous events.
PunchingBag
4/17/07 3:06:22PM
My apologies for not having read all responses yet (as I'd hate to re-post), but I'm not exactly sure why the scoring should be changed in the first place. If somebody is saying that Fighter A is going to win by KO/TKO, why should he/she be rewarded with additional points in any case if Fighter B wins by KO/TKO? Wouldn't that just make the initial pick that much more wrong?

Personally, I wouldn't mind the old way of scoring with the exception that if a fight that you correctly choose to go to a decision does so but you have not chosen the correct winner of the bout, that some sort of consolation points might be awarded. Somehow I feel that this would be appropriate, in that anything can happen in a decision, and having selected that the fight would end in that fashion correctly shows a good amount of selection-savvy in itself, despite the selection of the winner of the bout.

I must concede however that some people might argue that I just contradicted my first point.

Anywho, thanks for taking the time to listen to those that are wanting the change... I like that those in charge are taking into concern the thoughts and opinions of the users of this site... keep up the good work.
drance2624
4/17/07 3:29:18PM
The fairest way to go about instituting any changes that are this huge would be a choice of 2 things:

1.)Keep the previous scoring system in place until the beginning of Season 2

or

2.)Institute the changes and start using the new rules from UFC 70 onwards without affecting the previous events' scores. (MY CHOICE)


Please, think about it, how the heck are you changing everyone's scores in the middle of the game.

Here's an analogy for this:

It's the Superbowl, 1 team has 3 field goals for a total of 9 points and the other has 2 touchdowns (and extra point) for a total of 14 points. In the 3rd quarter the NFL decides field goals are now worth 5 points and the scores change from 14-9 to 14-15. Who really wins?


Anyone who's rankings have gone up will be happy, and anyone who's rankings have gone down will be unhappy.

Therefore the best thing to do, would be to leave things alone that have already occurred and institute any changes that you deem necessary from here on out.
Trapt1nw0nder
4/17/07 6:59:37PM
Meh!...i dont care.....im just here for the forums


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drance2624
4/17/07 10:47:14PM
I took the time to write this out in another thread, please forgive me if I'm repeating myself from my couple earlier posts, but I wanted to add this since I took the time to type it :)


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I was ranked #23 and now I'm #37. Not too bad really, but still it pushed me further away from $500 and I could really use that $500.

And what's so bad about hot bouts anyways, it's a reward for being able to choose the 2 toughest fights on the card. If you can't play the odds and analyze fighter records and styles then tough shit...don't cry about it.

I liked the 2 hot bouts worth up to 20 points.

But I like the idea that choosing sub/(t)ko/dec are awarded points seperate from choosing the round.

I say 5 points for picking the winner

If the winner is picked correctly, then the way in which the fight was won should be worth 3 points, and a further 2 points if you choose the round in which it ends correctly.

I would still like to see 2 hot bouts in order for there to be more competition and make things more interesting.

If the winner is picked incorrectly, 0 points even if the way/round are picked correctly.


Sorry if my thoughts are a bit disorganized at the moment, I'm pretty tired. But these are my opinions, either way this is a really fun game to play and I'm enjoying it. I just wish that changes would be made at the end of the season or at least any changes made shouldn't alter previous results.

That's the one thing that is really bugging me and standing out as being unfair....altering previous results.



Whatever happens:

THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THIS AWESOME ONLINE GAME FOR TRUE MMA FANS!
sandrey1
4/18/07 2:19:24PM
The new system seems more fair to me. voted yes
Tamara
4/18/07 4:35:28PM

Posted by sandrey1

The new system seems more fair to me. voted yes



The vote isn't really about the new system, it is about retro-activating the points for the fights that have already taken place and removing the hot bouts that they did.
CWall33
4/18/07 5:11:44PM

Posted by Tamara


Posted by sandrey1

The new system seems more fair to me. voted yes



The vote isn't really about the new system, it is about retro-activating the points for the fights that have already taken place and removing the hot bouts that they did.



Exactly what I meant above when I said "I think the wording of the poll is confusing some folks."
I'll bet real money that most of the people voting YES don't fully understand what they are voting for.

D-Boy
4/18/07 5:22:23PM


Should the new scoring system be applied to the existing events?

Doesn't seem too confusing to me
CWall33
4/18/07 5:28:13PM

Posted by D-Boy



Should the new scoring system be applied to the existing events?

Doesn't seem too confusing to me



That's why I said "some folks" and not "all folks".
It's clear from reading some of these posts that some people are confused.
hippysmacker
4/19/07 9:19:59PM
I think it would be fairest to all if the new system only applied to new events
D-Boy
4/20/07 3:14:18PM

Posted by hippysmacker

I think it would be fairest to all if the new system only applied to new events



Good that we were able to vote to decide though since more of us disagree with u currently ;)
unethikal
4/24/07 8:20:49AM
This is one case where there should not have been a vote. There is a guaranteed outcome here because it only hurts the top few people. Of coarse everyone else will vote to have it implimented on the old events, they have nothing to lose. It's like having a national vote asking if the people that have $10 million have to share it with everyone else. Only a few are going to vote no. Changing a scoring system mid-season is a bad decision IMO.

I made my picks according to the old scoring sysem, and now you change those scores. Not fair if you ask me. Especially with only 3 events left.
CWall33
4/24/07 8:53:14AM

Posted by unethikal
Of coarse everyone else will vote to have it implimented on the old events, they have nothing to lose. It's like having a national vote asking if the people that have $10 million have to share it with everyone else.



Excellent point. I've been thinking that exact same thing this whole time. I've just been waiting for someone in the top 20 to weigh in. The top 20 probably got screwed big time. I have absolutely no chance at the $500, but it still feels dirty to change the rules after the fact.

aznteabagger
4/24/07 6:33:52PM
am i allowed to wager on a different fighter than i picked for my upcoming events

D-Boy
4/29/07 8:51:25AM
Wow this poll is still here, the % haven't changed in a while thought it would be closed by now
unethikal
5/4/07 11:20:03PM
Lets go back to the old UFC's and implement the new rules and see who wins.

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