Schiavello: Jones/Sonnen "Cheapens the title"

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POLL: Does Jones/Sonnen Cheapen the Title?
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jakewalters
11/2/12 7:27:46PM
This week on The MMA Podcast we welcomed Michael Schiavello, and he chatted with us for a good 45 minutes talking about his career in kickboxing & MMA, the future of K-1, and current topics in MMA like TRT and Sonnen/Jones. You won’t want to miss what he has to think about the Sonnen/Jones matchup and he does not mince words.

“[The Ultimate Fighter] has become very old. The formula has become very old. The contestants that have been going into the house have become the same old repartee of what they say, and what they do, and how they act. A lot of respect is gone from it in how they act. A lot of the martial arts is gone from it. They are just fighters that are coming in, not martial artists who are coming in … There’s just too much of it. It’s something the UFC has done quite often is they overload, they overkill on events, on shows.”

“Now you’ve got Chael Sonnen vs. Jon Jones and they’re eventually going to fight for the light heavyweight title? That’s ridiculous. Chael Sonnen, how did he do with that title shot? Oh, he’s going to deserve a title shot because he appears on a reality TV show? What does that say for the sport? It’s no longer about rankings, it’s about ratings. There’s guys like Dan Henderson, guys like Lyoto Machida, Glover Teixeira that should be next in line to get that light heavyweight shot but you have to go through a reality TV show now to get a crack at the UFC championship? In what other sport does this happen? What other sport?”

“The UFC says they want to be the biggest sport in the world, they say they want to be bigger than soccer, they say they want to be as big as the NFL, they want to be bigger than boxing, so be it. But you’re hatching championship fights out of a reality TV show? I don’t know if boxing ever does that. I can’t remember when boxing’s done that. I can’t remember when football’s ever done that, tennis has ever done that. What other sport has done that where a championship fight is being decided by participance in a reality TV show? It’s ridiculous.”

“Chael Sonnen comes up a lot from middleweight, goes on a reality TV show, and then gets a crack at the light heavyweight world championship? How does that compute? The only way it computes is because it’s for the ratings. Because the ratings are doing so poorly at the moment. To me it cheapens the title a lot because a guy like Dan Henderson deserves that crack, a guy like Lyoto Machida deserves another crack at it, a guy like Teixeira in maybe another two fights deserves a crack at it. Not a dude that just lost, not just lost, got his ass handed to him - handed to him – at middleweight by Anderson Silva. Completely handed to him. And now his next fight’s going to be for the light heavyweight world championship in a division he hasn’t fought in to take on the champion because he’s on a reality show? Makes no sense. Only makes sense in the world of ratings. That’s it.”

Check out the 45 minute clip of our interview with Michael on YouTube now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbvmT5fHBo8
aussiemma
11/2/12 7:38:15PM
he does make some good points...although im still strangely looking forward to jones vs sonnen..in no way does chael even remotely deserve a title shot. Interesting to see where chael ends up after he loses to jones.
jakewalters
11/2/12 7:41:34PM

Posted by aussiemma

he does make some good points...although im still strangely looking forward to jones vs sonnen..in no way does chael even remotely deserve a title shot. Interesting to see where chael ends up after he loses to jones.



The way I feel about the build-up for the fight:

The way I feel about the fight itself:
prozacnation1978
11/2/12 8:26:17PM
I don't know why people are pissed.

I mean when randy fought tim slyvia
His last fight was a light heavy weight title loss to lidell
He retired came back with a instant title shot against tim
He didn't deserve it. But good for business

Jones vs sonnen same
Sonnen moving up a weight class. Coming off a title loss
Tuf needs a boost or else they may die.

Jones and sonnen coaches
Mid day slot again
The rating should be huge for this.
I am looking forward to this
infestructure
11/2/12 9:24:26PM
I think in the past, we expected some shitty matchups due to lack of depth in weight classes.
Now MMA has risen so far, we expect to see the best fighting the best, not the biggest mouth
kingsmasher
11/2/12 9:32:26PM

Posted by prozacnation1978

I don't know why people are pissed.

I mean when randy fought tim slyvia
His last fight was a light heavy weight title loss to lidell
He retired came back with a instant title shot against tim
He didn't deserve it. But good for business

Jones vs sonnen same
Sonnen moving up a weight class. Coming off a title loss
Tuf needs a boost or else they may die.

Jones and sonnen coaches
Mid day slot again
The rating should be huge for this.
I am looking forward to this



when Randy fought Tim there was not any other HW worthy of a title shot and only like 3 in the division totally....Big difference to whats happening with Chael...
sbulldavid
11/2/12 9:32:48PM
Schiavello Cheapens Jones/Sonnen fight
sbulldavid
11/2/12 9:34:33PM
What ever happened to fight fans
Twenty20Dollars
11/2/12 11:12:29PM
Dana's in the empire business.
ghandikush
11/2/12 11:22:00PM

Posted by sbulldavid

What ever happened to fight fans



Theyre busy wondering how Shogun Lyoto and Hendo are all being given the next title shot when Sonnen is getting the next title shot

Anyway I cant imagine how Gustaffson, mr wonderful and Evans feel at this point.

It almost litterally makes me sick, and would make me sick if it wasnt one of my most hated fighters too. Promise.
Chael_Sonnen
11/2/12 11:52:33PM
Shut your pie-hole 'The Voice' you sound like the combination of Kangaroo Jack making sweet love to 'The Bushwackers'

Go back to interviewing Hulk Hogan and Steevan Seegal
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jakewalters
11/3/12 3:35:35AM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Dana's in the empire business.



How do bogus title fights help that empire? I'm super excited to see them jaw back and forth, but I wouldn't put Chael on a list of the top 10 people who deserve a title shot at 205 lbs right now. Ridiculous.
ghandikush
11/3/12 4:53:44AM

Posted by jakewalters


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Dana's in the empire business.



How do bogus title fights help that empire? I'm super excited to see them jaw back and forth, but I wouldn't put Chael on a list of the top 10 people who deserve a title shot at 205 lbs right now. Ridiculous.



I would think poster means money fights as far as empire goes vs real rankings based fights.
jakewalters
11/3/12 5:28:41AM

Posted by ghandikush


Posted by jakewalters


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Dana's in the empire business.



How do bogus title fights help that empire? I'm super excited to see them jaw back and forth, but I wouldn't put Chael on a list of the top 10 people who deserve a title shot at 205 lbs right now. Ridiculous.



I would think poster means money fights as far as empire goes vs real rankings based fights.



True. The only thing that makes sense in making Jones/Sonnen is boosting ratings, like Schiavello said. Long-term making this sport mainstream... this hurts you a lot.
kingsmasher
11/3/12 10:52:03AM
Thing is IMO I dont see Jon Jones mouthing off on TUF against Chael I expect Jones to just walk the other way and maybe bore us.....and that means not feeding into the hype machine that Dana wants...

Or Dana tells Jones pre-taping that its all for hype and please feed into it for ratings and TV....He pays Jones extra to be an actor....
ghandikush
11/3/12 12:28:28PM

Posted by kingsmasher

Thing is IMO I dont see Jon Jones mouthing off on TUF against Chael I expect Jones to just walk the other way and maybe bore us.....and that means not feeding into the hype machine that Dana wants...

Or Dana tells Jones pre-taping that its all for hype and please feed into it for ratings and TV....He pays Jones extra to be an actor....



They really wanted to put this together because the fight is such a mismatch but Jones doesnt have the mental tools to deal with Chaels upper echelon shit talk.
warglory
11/3/12 12:31:08PM
Jesus this has been blown out of proportion.

How many people bitched when Randy Couture came back to fight Tim Sylvia? There were some detractors, but I think most people were concerned about Couture's state of mind, and look what happened, the man won and ushered in a new age of heavyweight. That fight went down as one of the most memorable in UFC history.

Chael Sonnen is a worthy challenger, just because he doesn't have the record to back it up doesn't mean he doesn't pose an interesting challenge for Jones.

If Chael wins this fight, EVERYONE will stop bitching, and will instantly forget about this charade.
ghandikush
11/3/12 12:43:33PM

Posted by warglory

Jesus this has been blown out of proportion.

How many people bitched when Randy Couture came back to fight Tim Sylvia? There were some detractors, but I think most people were concerned about Couture's state of mind, and look what happened, the man won and ushered in a new age of heavyweight. That fight went down as one of the most memorable in UFC history.

Chael Sonnen is a worthy challenger, just because he doesn't have the record to back it up doesn't mean he doesn't pose an interesting challenge for Jones.

If Chael wins this fight, EVERYONE will stop bitching, and will instantly forget about this charade.



How many people bitched when Randy fought Tim? Noone, because they brought in JEFF FUCKING MONSON for the last title fight, thats who they had.

In comparison we have 3 of the 205 greats on hold for Chael whos only real strength is wrestling, and we've never seen Jones anywhere near being controlled.

We're bitching because this will live in infamy as the beginning of the Don King days in the UFC.....

Oh and when Jones drills Sonnen into retirement and plastic surgery at 2:00 of the first, remember this.
Twenty20Dollars
11/3/12 12:54:10PM

Posted by jakewalters


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Dana's in the empire business.



How do bogus title fights help that empire? I'm super excited to see them jaw back and forth, but I wouldn't put Chael on a list of the top 10 people who deserve a title shot at 205 lbs right now. Ridiculous.



His empire of money.
Chael_Sonnen
11/3/12 2:11:09PM

Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory

Jesus this has been blown out of proportion.

How many people bitched when Randy Couture came back to fight Tim Sylvia? There were some detractors, but I think most people were concerned about Couture's state of mind, and look what happened, the man won and ushered in a new age of heavyweight. That fight went down as one of the most memorable in UFC history.

Chael Sonnen is a worthy challenger, just because he doesn't have the record to back it up doesn't mean he doesn't pose an interesting challenge for Jones.

If Chael wins this fight, EVERYONE will stop bitching, and will instantly forget about this charade.



How many people bitched when Randy fought Tim? Noone, because they brought in JEFF FUCKING MONSON for the last title fight, thats who they had.

In comparison we have 3 of the 205 greats on hold for Chael whos only real strength is wrestling, and we've never seen Jones anywhere near being controlled.

We're bitching because this will live in infamy as the beginning of the Don King days in the UFC.....

Oh and when Jones drills Sonnen into retirement and plastic surgery at 2:00 of the first, remember this.



Speaking of "drilling" I will be over tonight @ 11
ghandikush
11/3/12 2:18:54PM

Posted by Chael_Sonnen


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory

Jesus this has been blown out of proportion.

How many people bitched when Randy Couture came back to fight Tim Sylvia? There were some detractors, but I think most people were concerned about Couture's state of mind, and look what happened, the man won and ushered in a new age of heavyweight. That fight went down as one of the most memorable in UFC history.

Chael Sonnen is a worthy challenger, just because he doesn't have the record to back it up doesn't mean he doesn't pose an interesting challenge for Jones.

If Chael wins this fight, EVERYONE will stop bitching, and will instantly forget about this charade.



How many people bitched when Randy fought Tim? Noone, because they brought in JEFF FUCKING MONSON for the last title fight, thats who they had.

In comparison we have 3 of the 205 greats on hold for Chael whos only real strength is wrestling, and we've never seen Jones anywhere near being controlled.

We're bitching because this will live in infamy as the beginning of the Don King days in the UFC.....

Oh and when Jones drills Sonnen into retirement and plastic surgery at 2:00 of the first, remember this.



Speaking of "drilling" I will be over tonight @ 11



Haha surprised if you have anything left to give from those HGH infused raisin nuts.
warglory
11/3/12 8:29:00PM

Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory

Jesus this has been blown out of proportion.

How many people bitched when Randy Couture came back to fight Tim Sylvia? There were some detractors, but I think most people were concerned about Couture's state of mind, and look what happened, the man won and ushered in a new age of heavyweight. That fight went down as one of the most memorable in UFC history.

Chael Sonnen is a worthy challenger, just because he doesn't have the record to back it up doesn't mean he doesn't pose an interesting challenge for Jones.

If Chael wins this fight, EVERYONE will stop bitching, and will instantly forget about this charade.



How many people bitched when Randy fought Tim? Noone, because they brought in JEFF FUCKING MONSON for the last title fight, thats who they had.

In comparison we have 3 of the 205 greats on hold for Chael whos only real strength is wrestling, and we've never seen Jones anywhere near being controlled.

We're bitching because this will live in infamy as the beginning of the Don King days in the UFC.....

Oh and when Jones drills Sonnen into retirement and plastic surgery at 2:00 of the first, remember this.



Jeff Monson was on 16 fight win streak before he took on Tim Sylvia. Let me repeat that....a 16 FIGHT WIN STREAK. Monson was a legitimate threat back then, as was Sylvia. It's all fun now making fun of big Tim, but he was a defending champ. To bring in Randy, who was probably on the worst skid of his career, the vast majority of MMA fans back then thought Randy would get beat down.

Or what about Ken Shamrock challenging Tito for his title in 2002? Matt Serra challenging GSP? How come Vitor Belfort didn't get shit for challenging for the title? Because he had two wins under his belt, neither of which were at 205?

Chael in his last 3 fights beat Bisping, Stann and then lost to Silva because of a stupid in fight decision. The only two people Chael has lost to in the UFC in his most recent tenure have been Silva and Maia. That's very impressive. Dan Henderson, the most likely outside of Chael to challenge for the title, has had one UFC fight, which he barely won (despite how exciting as it was), so to say he is far more deserving of Chael, when Chael has definitely fought the tougher of the competition in the last couple of years, is ridiculous.

People shit on Chael because he has a big mouth and has made some big, noteworthy blunders in his career, but he is the best challenger to fight Jones, with the exception of maybe Hendo. You, and many other people are short changing Chael, and making it seem like giving a challenger who doesn't have a proper record, a chance, is the downfall of the UFC.

This is nothing new. The UFC has been doing this well before even Dana White and the Fertittas got involved, and this is precisely the reason why the UFC is NOT Don King, because whether you personally like it or not, this is a fight the people want to see, and the buy rate will back that up.
telnights
11/3/12 9:18:00PM
I didn't agree with Randy fighting Tim but at least Randy was a HW champ at one time. You also have to take in to account that the UFC HW division at that time was very thin. There has been a few fights that I didn't agree with but this one is way over the top if you ask me. It is a weight class above where Sonnen normally fights at and when he did fight at 205 he was far from a top level fighter and that is the reason he dropped to MW. Sonnen wasn't ever even in the talk of being a top 10 LHW. I feel the only reason he was given this fight was because of TV ratings and PPV buys.
ghandikush
11/3/12 9:40:44PM

Posted by warglory


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory

Jesus this has been blown out of proportion.

How many people bitched when Randy Couture came back to fight Tim Sylvia? There were some detractors, but I think most people were concerned about Couture's state of mind, and look what happened, the man won and ushered in a new age of heavyweight. That fight went down as one of the most memorable in UFC history.

Chael Sonnen is a worthy challenger, just because he doesn't have the record to back it up doesn't mean he doesn't pose an interesting challenge for Jones.

If Chael wins this fight, EVERYONE will stop bitching, and will instantly forget about this charade.



How many people bitched when Randy fought Tim? Noone, because they brought in JEFF FUCKING MONSON for the last title fight, thats who they had.

In comparison we have 3 of the 205 greats on hold for Chael whos only real strength is wrestling, and we've never seen Jones anywhere near being controlled.

We're bitching because this will live in infamy as the beginning of the Don King days in the UFC.....

Oh and when Jones drills Sonnen into retirement and plastic surgery at 2:00 of the first, remember this.



Jeff Monson was on 16 fight win streak before he took on Tim Sylvia. Let me repeat that....a 16 FIGHT WIN STREAK. Monson was a legitimate threat back then, as was Sylvia. It's all fun now making fun of big Tim, but he was a defending champ. To bring in Randy, who was probably on the worst skid of his career, the vast majority of MMA fans back then thought Randy would get beat down.

Or what about Ken Shamrock challenging Tito for his title in 2002? Matt Serra challenging GSP? How come Vitor Belfort didn't get shit for challenging for the title? Because he had two wins under his belt, neither of which were at 205?

Chael in his last 3 fights beat Bisping, Stann and then lost to Silva because of a stupid in fight decision. The only two people Chael has lost to in the UFC in his most recent tenure have been Silva and Maia. That's very impressive. Dan Henderson, the most likely outside of Chael to challenge for the title, has had one UFC fight, which he barely won (despite how exciting as it was), so to say he is far more deserving of Chael, when Chael has definitely fought the tougher of the competition in the last couple of years, is ridiculous.

People shit on Chael because he has a big mouth and has made some big, noteworthy blunders in his career, but he is the best challenger to fight Jones, with the exception of maybe Hendo. You, and many other people are short changing Chael, and making it seem like giving a challenger who doesn't have a proper record, a chance, is the downfall of the UFC.

This is nothing new. The UFC has been doing this well before even Dana White and the Fertittas got involved, and this is precisely the reason why the UFC is NOT Don King, because whether you personally like it or not, this is a fight the people want to see, and the buy rate will back that up.



In the days of every one of those shitty ratings fights you mentioned there werent 3 of the greatest fighters of all time at 205 and 265 in line getting shafted by someone who never broke .500 at the said weight class....

You cant make this look any less shitty than it is. And the people who want to see this fight are all the casual mass who buy replica belts etc... only reason any of us want to see that fight is to see how bad Jones can kill Sonnen with elbows...

When you lose a title fight you can move down to an empty division ala Frankie, but you typically dont support a guy moving up in weight to a division with 3 primo contenders waiting their turn...

Again, you cant make this shit into gold...
warglory
11/3/12 11:08:14PM

Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory

Jesus this has been blown out of proportion.

How many people bitched when Randy Couture came back to fight Tim Sylvia? There were some detractors, but I think most people were concerned about Couture's state of mind, and look what happened, the man won and ushered in a new age of heavyweight. That fight went down as one of the most memorable in UFC history.

Chael Sonnen is a worthy challenger, just because he doesn't have the record to back it up doesn't mean he doesn't pose an interesting challenge for Jones.

If Chael wins this fight, EVERYONE will stop bitching, and will instantly forget about this charade.



How many people bitched when Randy fought Tim? Noone, because they brought in JEFF FUCKING MONSON for the last title fight, thats who they had.

In comparison we have 3 of the 205 greats on hold for Chael whos only real strength is wrestling, and we've never seen Jones anywhere near being controlled.

We're bitching because this will live in infamy as the beginning of the Don King days in the UFC.....

Oh and when Jones drills Sonnen into retirement and plastic surgery at 2:00 of the first, remember this.



Jeff Monson was on 16 fight win streak before he took on Tim Sylvia. Let me repeat that....a 16 FIGHT WIN STREAK. Monson was a legitimate threat back then, as was Sylvia. It's all fun now making fun of big Tim, but he was a defending champ. To bring in Randy, who was probably on the worst skid of his career, the vast majority of MMA fans back then thought Randy would get beat down.

Or what about Ken Shamrock challenging Tito for his title in 2002? Matt Serra challenging GSP? How come Vitor Belfort didn't get shit for challenging for the title? Because he had two wins under his belt, neither of which were at 205?

Chael in his last 3 fights beat Bisping, Stann and then lost to Silva because of a stupid in fight decision. The only two people Chael has lost to in the UFC in his most recent tenure have been Silva and Maia. That's very impressive. Dan Henderson, the most likely outside of Chael to challenge for the title, has had one UFC fight, which he barely won (despite how exciting as it was), so to say he is far more deserving of Chael, when Chael has definitely fought the tougher of the competition in the last couple of years, is ridiculous.

People shit on Chael because he has a big mouth and has made some big, noteworthy blunders in his career, but he is the best challenger to fight Jones, with the exception of maybe Hendo. You, and many other people are short changing Chael, and making it seem like giving a challenger who doesn't have a proper record, a chance, is the downfall of the UFC.

This is nothing new. The UFC has been doing this well before even Dana White and the Fertittas got involved, and this is precisely the reason why the UFC is NOT Don King, because whether you personally like it or not, this is a fight the people want to see, and the buy rate will back that up.



In the days of every one of those shitty ratings fights you mentioned there werent 3 of the greatest fighters of all time at 205 and 265 in line getting shafted by someone who never broke .500 at the said weight class....

You cant make this look any less shitty than it is. And the people who want to see this fight are all the casual mass who buy replica belts etc... only reason any of us want to see that fight is to see how bad Jones can kill Sonnen with elbows...

When you lose a title fight you can move down to an empty division ala Frankie, but you typically dont support a guy moving up in weight to a division with 3 primo contenders waiting their turn...

Again, you cant make this shit into gold...



The people you mentioned are the majority of MMA fans, like it or not, and in case you didn't notice, there are quite a few people on this board by way of the poll in this thread, that don't think this is a big deal, myself included. MMA has never been about winning percentages, particularly the old PRIDE days. This isn't baseball.
ghandikush
11/3/12 11:33:04PM

Posted by warglory


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory

Jesus this has been blown out of proportion.

How many people bitched when Randy Couture came back to fight Tim Sylvia? There were some detractors, but I think most people were concerned about Couture's state of mind, and look what happened, the man won and ushered in a new age of heavyweight. That fight went down as one of the most memorable in UFC history.

Chael Sonnen is a worthy challenger, just because he doesn't have the record to back it up doesn't mean he doesn't pose an interesting challenge for Jones.

If Chael wins this fight, EVERYONE will stop bitching, and will instantly forget about this charade.



How many people bitched when Randy fought Tim? Noone, because they brought in JEFF FUCKING MONSON for the last title fight, thats who they had.

In comparison we have 3 of the 205 greats on hold for Chael whos only real strength is wrestling, and we've never seen Jones anywhere near being controlled.

We're bitching because this will live in infamy as the beginning of the Don King days in the UFC.....

Oh and when Jones drills Sonnen into retirement and plastic surgery at 2:00 of the first, remember this.



Jeff Monson was on 16 fight win streak before he took on Tim Sylvia. Let me repeat that....a 16 FIGHT WIN STREAK. Monson was a legitimate threat back then, as was Sylvia. It's all fun now making fun of big Tim, but he was a defending champ. To bring in Randy, who was probably on the worst skid of his career, the vast majority of MMA fans back then thought Randy would get beat down.

Or what about Ken Shamrock challenging Tito for his title in 2002? Matt Serra challenging GSP? How come Vitor Belfort didn't get shit for challenging for the title? Because he had two wins under his belt, neither of which were at 205?

Chael in his last 3 fights beat Bisping, Stann and then lost to Silva because of a stupid in fight decision. The only two people Chael has lost to in the UFC in his most recent tenure have been Silva and Maia. That's very impressive. Dan Henderson, the most likely outside of Chael to challenge for the title, has had one UFC fight, which he barely won (despite how exciting as it was), so to say he is far more deserving of Chael, when Chael has definitely fought the tougher of the competition in the last couple of years, is ridiculous.

People shit on Chael because he has a big mouth and has made some big, noteworthy blunders in his career, but he is the best challenger to fight Jones, with the exception of maybe Hendo. You, and many other people are short changing Chael, and making it seem like giving a challenger who doesn't have a proper record, a chance, is the downfall of the UFC.

This is nothing new. The UFC has been doing this well before even Dana White and the Fertittas got involved, and this is precisely the reason why the UFC is NOT Don King, because whether you personally like it or not, this is a fight the people want to see, and the buy rate will back that up.



In the days of every one of those shitty ratings fights you mentioned there werent 3 of the greatest fighters of all time at 205 and 265 in line getting shafted by someone who never broke .500 at the said weight class....

You cant make this look any less shitty than it is. And the people who want to see this fight are all the casual mass who buy replica belts etc... only reason any of us want to see that fight is to see how bad Jones can kill Sonnen with elbows...

When you lose a title fight you can move down to an empty division ala Frankie, but you typically dont support a guy moving up in weight to a division with 3 primo contenders waiting their turn...

Again, you cant make this shit into gold...



The people you mentioned are the majority of MMA fans, like it or not, and in case you didn't notice, there are quite a few people on this board by way of the poll in this thread, that don't think this is a big deal, myself included. MMA has never been about winning percentages, particularly the old PRIDE days. This isn't baseball.



In baseball they dont base qualifying teams on popularity. If they did the Cubs and Yankees would be playing every world series

Explain why someone coming off a loss should leapfrog Lyoto, let alone hendo... This argument isnt going anywhere so maybe this is my final post but I'd be seriously curious why a Lyoto fan wouldnt feel rectum pain about now.

It'll be over a year till Jones fights a real contender.
Cooler
11/3/12 11:39:59PM

Posted by warglory

Jesus this has been blown out of proportion.

How many people bitched when Randy Couture came back to fight Tim Sylvia? There were some detractors, but I think most people were concerned about Couture's state of mind, and look what happened, the man won and ushered in a new age of heavyweight. That fight went down as one of the most memorable in UFC history.

Chael Sonnen is a worthy challenger, just because he doesn't have the record to back it up doesn't mean he doesn't pose an interesting challenge for Jones.

If Chael wins this fight, EVERYONE will stop bitching, and will instantly forget about this charade.



Completely different if you ask me. Randy is and was a hall of famer, Chael is a big mouth nobody who will be remembered for losing title fights and getting triangled. Randy had wins at HW over big names, Chael beat no LHW's of notice to even merit a title fight at 205, including a loss in the UFC's LHW division. I am completely on Jones' side for saying no to the 151 replacement, Chael deserves nothing, this is just the UFC making a power move on Jones saying you will fight who we say, and do a reality show to make up for 151.

I'll be the first to give Chael his props if he somehow LnP's Jones for 5 rounds, which is his only way to win. But thankfully his chances are low and zuffa is just using Chael as a ratings catcher at this point and will fade off into obscurity as he won't have as much hype after losing so many title fights, maybe then people understand that his bark is harder than his bite. No Offense Chael_Sonnen, still love ya bruh.
warglory
11/4/12 7:59:44PM

Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory

Jesus this has been blown out of proportion.

How many people bitched when Randy Couture came back to fight Tim Sylvia? There were some detractors, but I think most people were concerned about Couture's state of mind, and look what happened, the man won and ushered in a new age of heavyweight. That fight went down as one of the most memorable in UFC history.

Chael Sonnen is a worthy challenger, just because he doesn't have the record to back it up doesn't mean he doesn't pose an interesting challenge for Jones.

If Chael wins this fight, EVERYONE will stop bitching, and will instantly forget about this charade.



How many people bitched when Randy fought Tim? Noone, because they brought in JEFF FUCKING MONSON for the last title fight, thats who they had.

In comparison we have 3 of the 205 greats on hold for Chael whos only real strength is wrestling, and we've never seen Jones anywhere near being controlled.

We're bitching because this will live in infamy as the beginning of the Don King days in the UFC.....

Oh and when Jones drills Sonnen into retirement and plastic surgery at 2:00 of the first, remember this.



Jeff Monson was on 16 fight win streak before he took on Tim Sylvia. Let me repeat that....a 16 FIGHT WIN STREAK. Monson was a legitimate threat back then, as was Sylvia. It's all fun now making fun of big Tim, but he was a defending champ. To bring in Randy, who was probably on the worst skid of his career, the vast majority of MMA fans back then thought Randy would get beat down.

Or what about Ken Shamrock challenging Tito for his title in 2002? Matt Serra challenging GSP? How come Vitor Belfort didn't get shit for challenging for the title? Because he had two wins under his belt, neither of which were at 205?

Chael in his last 3 fights beat Bisping, Stann and then lost to Silva because of a stupid in fight decision. The only two people Chael has lost to in the UFC in his most recent tenure have been Silva and Maia. That's very impressive. Dan Henderson, the most likely outside of Chael to challenge for the title, has had one UFC fight, which he barely won (despite how exciting as it was), so to say he is far more deserving of Chael, when Chael has definitely fought the tougher of the competition in the last couple of years, is ridiculous.

People shit on Chael because he has a big mouth and has made some big, noteworthy blunders in his career, but he is the best challenger to fight Jones, with the exception of maybe Hendo. You, and many other people are short changing Chael, and making it seem like giving a challenger who doesn't have a proper record, a chance, is the downfall of the UFC.

This is nothing new. The UFC has been doing this well before even Dana White and the Fertittas got involved, and this is precisely the reason why the UFC is NOT Don King, because whether you personally like it or not, this is a fight the people want to see, and the buy rate will back that up.



In the days of every one of those shitty ratings fights you mentioned there werent 3 of the greatest fighters of all time at 205 and 265 in line getting shafted by someone who never broke .500 at the said weight class....

You cant make this look any less shitty than it is. And the people who want to see this fight are all the casual mass who buy replica belts etc... only reason any of us want to see that fight is to see how bad Jones can kill Sonnen with elbows...

When you lose a title fight you can move down to an empty division ala Frankie, but you typically dont support a guy moving up in weight to a division with 3 primo contenders waiting their turn...

Again, you cant make this shit into gold...



The people you mentioned are the majority of MMA fans, like it or not, and in case you didn't notice, there are quite a few people on this board by way of the poll in this thread, that don't think this is a big deal, myself included. MMA has never been about winning percentages, particularly the old PRIDE days. This isn't baseball.



In baseball they dont base qualifying teams on popularity. If they did the Cubs and Yankees would be playing every world series

Explain why someone coming off a loss should leapfrog Lyoto, let alone hendo... This argument isnt going anywhere so maybe this is my final post but I'd be seriously curious why a Lyoto fan wouldnt feel rectum pain about now.

It'll be over a year till Jones fights a real contender.



I would actually much prefer to have Machida fight, but I like watching Chael fight, and I think this is an interesting fight, so I am looking forward to it. The only problem I have is the whole TUF thing delaying the match, that is annoying.
jakewalters
11/5/12 10:57:53AM

Posted by warglory


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory

Jesus this has been blown out of proportion.

How many people bitched when Randy Couture came back to fight Tim Sylvia? There were some detractors, but I think most people were concerned about Couture's state of mind, and look what happened, the man won and ushered in a new age of heavyweight. That fight went down as one of the most memorable in UFC history.

Chael Sonnen is a worthy challenger, just because he doesn't have the record to back it up doesn't mean he doesn't pose an interesting challenge for Jones.

If Chael wins this fight, EVERYONE will stop bitching, and will instantly forget about this charade.



How many people bitched when Randy fought Tim? Noone, because they brought in JEFF FUCKING MONSON for the last title fight, thats who they had.

In comparison we have 3 of the 205 greats on hold for Chael whos only real strength is wrestling, and we've never seen Jones anywhere near being controlled.

We're bitching because this will live in infamy as the beginning of the Don King days in the UFC.....

Oh and when Jones drills Sonnen into retirement and plastic surgery at 2:00 of the first, remember this.



Jeff Monson was on 16 fight win streak before he took on Tim Sylvia. Let me repeat that....a 16 FIGHT WIN STREAK. Monson was a legitimate threat back then, as was Sylvia. It's all fun now making fun of big Tim, but he was a defending champ. To bring in Randy, who was probably on the worst skid of his career, the vast majority of MMA fans back then thought Randy would get beat down.

Or what about Ken Shamrock challenging Tito for his title in 2002? Matt Serra challenging GSP? How come Vitor Belfort didn't get shit for challenging for the title? Because he had two wins under his belt, neither of which were at 205?

Chael in his last 3 fights beat Bisping, Stann and then lost to Silva because of a stupid in fight decision. The only two people Chael has lost to in the UFC in his most recent tenure have been Silva and Maia. That's very impressive. Dan Henderson, the most likely outside of Chael to challenge for the title, has had one UFC fight, which he barely won (despite how exciting as it was), so to say he is far more deserving of Chael, when Chael has definitely fought the tougher of the competition in the last couple of years, is ridiculous.

People shit on Chael because he has a big mouth and has made some big, noteworthy blunders in his career, but he is the best challenger to fight Jones, with the exception of maybe Hendo. You, and many other people are short changing Chael, and making it seem like giving a challenger who doesn't have a proper record, a chance, is the downfall of the UFC.

This is nothing new. The UFC has been doing this well before even Dana White and the Fertittas got involved, and this is precisely the reason why the UFC is NOT Don King, because whether you personally like it or not, this is a fight the people want to see, and the buy rate will back that up.



In the days of every one of those shitty ratings fights you mentioned there werent 3 of the greatest fighters of all time at 205 and 265 in line getting shafted by someone who never broke .500 at the said weight class....

You cant make this look any less shitty than it is. And the people who want to see this fight are all the casual mass who buy replica belts etc... only reason any of us want to see that fight is to see how bad Jones can kill Sonnen with elbows...

When you lose a title fight you can move down to an empty division ala Frankie, but you typically dont support a guy moving up in weight to a division with 3 primo contenders waiting their turn...

Again, you cant make this shit into gold...



The people you mentioned are the majority of MMA fans, like it or not, and in case you didn't notice, there are quite a few people on this board by way of the poll in this thread, that don't think this is a big deal, myself included. MMA has never been about winning percentages, particularly the old PRIDE days. This isn't baseball.



In baseball they dont base qualifying teams on popularity. If they did the Cubs and Yankees would be playing every world series

Explain why someone coming off a loss should leapfrog Lyoto, let alone hendo... This argument isnt going anywhere so maybe this is my final post but I'd be seriously curious why a Lyoto fan wouldnt feel rectum pain about now.

It'll be over a year till Jones fights a real contender.



I would actually much prefer to have Machida fight, but I like watching Chael fight, and I think this is an interesting fight, so I am looking forward to it. The only problem I have is the whole TUF thing delaying the match, that is annoying.



I think that bit may be necessary to let Jones' elbow heal until April. From what I heard, that injury is going to keep him sidelined til March-April
Bubbles
11/5/12 2:26:29PM

Posted by jakewalters


Posted by warglory


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory


Posted by ghandikush


Posted by warglory

Jesus this has been blown out of proportion.

How many people bitched when Randy Couture came back to fight Tim Sylvia? There were some detractors, but I think most people were concerned about Couture's state of mind, and look what happened, the man won and ushered in a new age of heavyweight. That fight went down as one of the most memorable in UFC history.

Chael Sonnen is a worthy challenger, just because he doesn't have the record to back it up doesn't mean he doesn't pose an interesting challenge for Jones.

If Chael wins this fight, EVERYONE will stop bitching, and will instantly forget about this charade.



How many people bitched when Randy fought Tim? Noone, because they brought in JEFF FUCKING MONSON for the last title fight, thats who they had.

In comparison we have 3 of the 205 greats on hold for Chael whos only real strength is wrestling, and we've never seen Jones anywhere near being controlled.

We're bitching because this will live in infamy as the beginning of the Don King days in the UFC.....

Oh and when Jones drills Sonnen into retirement and plastic surgery at 2:00 of the first, remember this.



Jeff Monson was on 16 fight win streak before he took on Tim Sylvia. Let me repeat that....a 16 FIGHT WIN STREAK. Monson was a legitimate threat back then, as was Sylvia. It's all fun now making fun of big Tim, but he was a defending champ. To bring in Randy, who was probably on the worst skid of his career, the vast majority of MMA fans back then thought Randy would get beat down.

Or what about Ken Shamrock challenging Tito for his title in 2002? Matt Serra challenging GSP? How come Vitor Belfort didn't get shit for challenging for the title? Because he had two wins under his belt, neither of which were at 205?

Chael in his last 3 fights beat Bisping, Stann and then lost to Silva because of a stupid in fight decision. The only two people Chael has lost to in the UFC in his most recent tenure have been Silva and Maia. That's very impressive. Dan Henderson, the most likely outside of Chael to challenge for the title, has had one UFC fight, which he barely won (despite how exciting as it was), so to say he is far more deserving of Chael, when Chael has definitely fought the tougher of the competition in the last couple of years, is ridiculous.

People shit on Chael because he has a big mouth and has made some big, noteworthy blunders in his career, but he is the best challenger to fight Jones, with the exception of maybe Hendo. You, and many other people are short changing Chael, and making it seem like giving a challenger who doesn't have a proper record, a chance, is the downfall of the UFC.

This is nothing new. The UFC has been doing this well before even Dana White and the Fertittas got involved, and this is precisely the reason why the UFC is NOT Don King, because whether you personally like it or not, this is a fight the people want to see, and the buy rate will back that up.



In the days of every one of those shitty ratings fights you mentioned there werent 3 of the greatest fighters of all time at 205 and 265 in line getting shafted by someone who never broke .500 at the said weight class....

You cant make this look any less shitty than it is. And the people who want to see this fight are all the casual mass who buy replica belts etc... only reason any of us want to see that fight is to see how bad Jones can kill Sonnen with elbows...

When you lose a title fight you can move down to an empty division ala Frankie, but you typically dont support a guy moving up in weight to a division with 3 primo contenders waiting their turn...

Again, you cant make this shit into gold...



The people you mentioned are the majority of MMA fans, like it or not, and in case you didn't notice, there are quite a few people on this board by way of the poll in this thread, that don't think this is a big deal, myself included. MMA has never been about winning percentages, particularly the old PRIDE days. This isn't baseball.



In baseball they dont base qualifying teams on popularity. If they did the Cubs and Yankees would be playing every world series

Explain why someone coming off a loss should leapfrog Lyoto, let alone hendo... This argument isnt going anywhere so maybe this is my final post but I'd be seriously curious why a Lyoto fan wouldnt feel rectum pain about now.

It'll be over a year till Jones fights a real contender.



I would actually much prefer to have Machida fight, but I like watching Chael fight, and I think this is an interesting fight, so I am looking forward to it. The only problem I have is the whole TUF thing delaying the match, that is annoying.



I think that bit may be necessary to let Jones' elbow heal until April. From what I heard, that injury is going to keep him sidelined til March-April


can we stop mass quoting everything?
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