UFC: The Savior/The Destroyer of The Sport of MMA

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AndrewRJ
2/14/08 5:47:59PM
There is no doubt that without the UFC that MMA would be unpopular and more demonized than it is now; but are they going to far with their commercialism and franchising?
If you were to ask a random person on the street if they knew what UFC was they would probably answer yes, if you were to ask that same person what MMA they might not know. With PRIDE gone what other MMA promotoer has a chance? The UFC has all the best fighters, the best arenas, and the most exposure; how are the fighters that fight in the underground, unknown, small shows supposed to get expsure; how are they supposed to support themselves and their families on 135$ a fight?
The UFC is what is going to end the pure sport of MMA, it was the beginning and the end together. What made it so appealing was MMA's demise. The smaller organizations will get knocked off sending a bunch of fighters into free agency where they might not be picked up. Even the big promoters in MMA are unrecognizable like M1, Elite XC, and King of the Ring; Zuffa is destroying MMA and creating a whole different sport called "UFC".
The franchisement of the sport of MMA will be complete in a few years, fighters will have no choice but to fight in the UFC or WEC or IFL. The UFC has the WEC to prove fighters worthy for the UFC and the IFL for the WEC. Good for buisness bad for the sport.
Save the sport, watch MMA not just UFC.
backalley101
2/14/08 6:09:15PM
You think the UFC is desroying the sport of MMA. Zuffa took a bankrupt organization and made it to what it is today. If smaller organizations can't compete and go under, then so be it. That's the price of business. You say UFC is bad, but a few years ago, fighters didn't even dream about the money that can be made now. And I believe it makes it possible for fighters to really make some good money, but like any sport, you have to show you are worth that. So I don't believe it's bad for the sport. If anything, it's made it grow. Peace!
tuvok500
2/14/08 6:20:28PM
LOL !!

What about the NFL is killing football !!

What about NHL is killing Hockey !!

What about Nascar is killing car racing !!

Fighters need an ultimate goal to reach and it is the UFC.

Same as the young football players who want to be in the NFL !!

Small show have only themselve to blame if they are not able to compete and to pay their fighters like the UFC do.

It is so funny to see that you blame the UFC to try to promote their fighters and their name to try to sell tickets and to pay their fighters more than your 135$ per fight !!

i don't think you know how a business work man, the moneys to pay the fighters are not growing in trees !!



Tein_Lung
2/14/08 7:49:07PM
QUOTE]Posted by AndrewRJ

There is no doubt that without the UFC that MMA would be unpopular and more demonized than it is now; but are they going to far with their commercialism and franchising?
If you were to ask a random person on the street if they knew what UFC was they would probably answer yes, if you were to ask that same person what MMA they might not know. With PRIDE gone what other MMA promotoer has a chance? The UFC has all the best fighters, the best arenas, and the most exposure; how are the fighters that fight in the underground, unknown, small shows supposed to get expsure; how are they supposed to support themselves and their families on 135$ a fight?
The UFC is what is going to end the pure sport of MMA, it was the beginning and the end together. What made it so appealing was MMA's demise. The smaller organizations will get knocked off sending a bunch of fighters into free agency where they might not be picked up. Even the big promoters in MMA are unrecognizable like M1, Elite XC, and King of the Ring; Zuffa is destroying MMA and creating a whole different sport called "UFC".
The franchisement of the sport of MMA will be complete in a few years, fighters will have no choice but to fight in the UFC or WEC or IFL. The UFC has the WEC to prove fighters worthy for the UFC and the IFL for the WEC. Good for buisness bad for the sport.
Save the sport, watch MMA not just UFC.
Ok here is an exact anlogy to what you said... The WWE, thats right Pro Wrestling, It used to be nothing but small promotions stuck in certain areas... then Vince came along. He bought up several small organizations and truned them around, like Zuffa did with the UFC.

There are still countless smaller shows out there in pro wrestling as there are with MMA, and like with what just happened with Pride and UFC, they merged, 7 years ago the same thing happened in Pro Wresting with WWE and WCW, did it kill that buisness no it made it larger...

Now in Pro Wrestling there is the big guy in WWE, and the small guy TNA, as far as the TV organizations go... In MMA there us the UFC and several smaller shows like IFC M-1 EliteXK, and more... If anything its better for MMA as a whole because there will be people who like each organization and fighter who think the place they are at is the best.
If anything it will end up being better for the fighters, people pay to see the fighters they want to fight fight eachother, and Zuffa is smart enough to know that and will work on getting more of the top fighters, now this may not happen tomarrow but when the smaller organizations get a bigger peice of the pie now that Pride is gone, you will see unhappy fighters spread out for more money and will casue more money to reach the fighters in the end
cmill21
2/14/08 7:56:32PM

Posted by tuvok500

LOL !!

What about the NFL is killing football !!

What about NHL is killing Hockey !!

What about Nascar is killing car racing !!

Fighters need an ultimate goal to reach and it is the UFC.

Same as the young football players who want to be in the NFL !!

Small show have only themselve to blame if they are not able to compete and to pay their fighters like the UFC do.

It is so funny to see that you blame the UFC to try to promote their fighters and their name to try to sell tickets and to pay their fighters more than your 135$ per fight !!

i don't think you know how a business work man, the moneys to pay the fighters are not growing in trees !!






IMO the NHL is killing hockey. They want to make the nets bigger, this and that, it's all retarted!
Tein_Lung
2/14/08 7:59:48PM

Posted by cmill21


Posted by tuvok500

LOL !!

What about the NFL is killing football !!

What about NHL is killing Hockey !!

What about Nascar is killing car racing !!

Fighters need an ultimate goal to reach and it is the UFC.

Same as the young football players who want to be in the NFL !!

Small show have only themselve to blame if they are not able to compete and to pay their fighters like the UFC do.

It is so funny to see that you blame the UFC to try to promote their fighters and their name to try to sell tickets and to pay their fighters more than your 135$ per fight !!

i don't think you know how a business work man, the moneys to pay the fighters are not growing in trees !!






IMO the NHL is killing hockey. They want to make the nets bigger, this and that, it's all retarted!

people still play hockey... canuks and their ice games, they need to forget about hockey and that ice shuffle board with the brooms
tuvok500
2/14/08 8:05:45PM

Posted by Tein_Lung

QUOTE]Posted by AndrewRJ

There is no doubt that without the UFC that MMA would be unpopular and more demonized than it is now; but are they going to far with their commercialism and franchising?
If you were to ask a random person on the street if they knew what UFC was they would probably answer yes, if you were to ask that same person what MMA they might not know. With PRIDE gone what other MMA promotoer has a chance? The UFC has all the best fighters, the best arenas, and the most exposure; how are the fighters that fight in the underground, unknown, small shows supposed to get expsure; how are they supposed to support themselves and their families on 135$ a fight?
The UFC is what is going to end the pure sport of MMA, it was the beginning and the end together. What made it so appealing was MMA's demise. The smaller organizations will get knocked off sending a bunch of fighters into free agency where they might not be picked up. Even the big promoters in MMA are unrecognizable like M1, Elite XC, and King of the Ring; Zuffa is destroying MMA and creating a whole different sport called "UFC".
The franchisement of the sport of MMA will be complete in a few years, fighters will have no choice but to fight in the UFC or WEC or IFL. The UFC has the WEC to prove fighters worthy for the UFC and the IFL for the WEC. Good for buisness bad for the sport.
Save the sport, watch MMA not just UFC.

Ok here is an exact anlogy to what you said... The WWE, thats right Pro Wrestling, It used to be nothing but small promotions stuck in certain areas... then Vince came along. He bought up several small organizations and truned them around, like Zuffa did with the UFC.

There are still countless smaller shows out there in pro wrestling as there are with MMA, and like with what just happened with Pride and UFC, they merged, 7 years ago the same thing happened in Pro Wresting with WWE and WCW, did it kill that buisness no it made it larger...

Now in Pro Wrestling there is the big guy in WWE, and the small guy TNA, as far as the TV organizations go... In MMA there us the UFC and several smaller shows like IFC M-1 EliteXK, and more... If anything its better for MMA as a whole because there will be people who like each organization and fighter who think the place they are at is the best.
If anything it will end up being better for the fighters, people pay to see the fighters they want to fight fight eachother, and Zuffa is smart enough to know that and will work on getting more of the top fighters, now this may not happen tomarrow but when the smaller organizations get a bigger peice of the pie now that Pride is gone, you will see unhappy fighters spread out for more money and will casue more money to reach the fighters in the end


Well, i personally hope that 1 day the UFC will be like the NFL or the NHL and that 99.999% of the fighters will be at the same place.
The real competition between top fighters will be for sure guarantee because every fighters will be under contract with the UFC.

The NFL have colleges to develop their future players and for the UFC it is the WEC .

At the end, The NFL is a top level organization who have a lot of top teams, i see the UFC having that kind of organization but of course without teams because fighting is an individual sport and Fighters are not able to fight every weeks !!

But with almost every top fighters at the same place, the UFC would be able to have an event every weeks around the globe witch would give us a lot of good fights and would give the fighters a lot of stability and much more cash.



Tein_Lung
2/14/08 8:11:10PM
The only way i see that happening is for the UFC to drop the clause in their contracts that says they cannot do anything else while under UFC contract... alot of guys want to do things like the abudabi(sp) world championships and what not, and them says they can;t will stop alot of great fighters from signing
Ordep
2/14/08 8:13:44PM
I don't see any organization or league as the "goal" of an athlete.... they go where they're offered more $$$$. Of course they won't tell you that in the interviews and stuff.
tuvok500
2/14/08 8:22:11PM

Posted by Ordep

I don't see any organization or league as the "goal" of an athlete.... they go where they're offered more $$$$. Of course they won't tell you that in the interviews and stuff.



i am sad for you man

Athlete around the world are training non stop starting at 3 or 4 years old just to try to win a medal in the Olympic, i don't think that my 5 years olds cousin who want to be in the Montreal Canadian 1 day is thinking about cash only !!

Ordep
2/14/08 9:08:31PM

Posted by tuvok500


Posted by Ordep

I don't see any organization or league as the "goal" of an athlete.... they go where they're offered more $$$$. Of course they won't tell you that in the interviews and stuff.



i am sad for you man

Athlete around the world are training non stop starting at 3 or 4 years old just to try to win a medal in the Olympic, i don't think that my 5 years olds cousin who want to be in the Montreal Canadian 1 day is thinking about cash only !!





National competition is completely different to the leagues you mentioned (e.g. NHL, NFL, UFC) where the athletes consider it a job. There's Chapionships , celebration and all that but when it comes to the main point is $$$$. Wait until you grow up and look for a job and you'll see.

BlazinSaddle
2/14/08 9:28:53PM

Posted by cmill21


Posted by tuvok500

LOL !!

What about the NFL is killing football !!

What about NHL is killing Hockey !!

What about Nascar is killing car racing !!

Fighters need an ultimate goal to reach and it is the UFC.

Same as the young football players who want to be in the NFL !!

Small show have only themselve to blame if they are not able to compete and to pay their fighters like the UFC do.

It is so funny to see that you blame the UFC to try to promote their fighters and their name to try to sell tickets and to pay their fighters more than your 135$ per fight !!

i don't think you know how a business work man, the moneys to pay the fighters are not growing in trees !!






IMO the NHL is killing hockey. They want to make the nets bigger, this and that, it's all retarted!





even tho i'd love to play in the NHL someday i have to agree in some ways, when the NHL went under in the 2004-2005 season they had lots of issues with paying players, coaches, arena costs, et cetera....and players were complaining about money and this and that, and rating for the NHL were going down for some reason, personally hockey is the most exciting mainstream sport so much going on so much planning and knowing what to do on the fly, sort of like MMA, thats why gretzky was the greatest player of all time he wasnt the fastest or had the hardest shot but he had an eye for the game and always knew what to do on the ice like a 7th sense just for hockey

now back to the point the NHL changed alot of rules in the 2005-2006 season, making the 2 red lines behind the goalie nets so players cant go back there when the goalie has the puck, or making the goalie pads smaller so more goals can be scored (not bigger nets) and the new fight rule making fights more rare and many more rules.

i cant thank the UFC enough for making this sport what it is today, without zuffa and yes even pride MMA would not be as big and continue to grow at the speed its growing at, some people think MMA is as big as it will ever get today what with TUF and Fight Nights but i disagree, i think it can get mainstream and just needs about 5+ years to get to this point where Rampage or GSP or BJ or whoever are household names, i like how the UFC is sort of the big show, maybe they dont have all the best fighters but neither does the NFL or NHL or NBA, theres always someone better out there that dosnt play professionally or even in different leagues, even if you dont like dana at least thank him for putting up great events and turning MMA around from bloodsport to real sport
tuvok500
2/14/08 9:39:40PM

Posted by Ordep


Posted by tuvok500


Posted by Ordep

I don't see any organization or league as the "goal" of an athlete.... they go where they're offered more $$$$. Of course they won't tell you that in the interviews and stuff.



i am sad for you man

Athlete around the world are training non stop starting at 3 or 4 years old just to try to win a medal in the Olympic, i don't think that my 5 years olds cousin who want to be in the Montreal Canadian 1 day is thinking about cash only !!





National competition is completely different to the leagues you mentioned (e.g. NHL, NFL, UFC) where the athletes consider it a job. There's Chapionships , celebration and all that but when it comes to the main point is $$$$. Wait until you grow up and look for a job and you'll see.




Well, i am 35 dude !!

But you right , a lot of peoples are thinking about cash only, i just hope that they will not destroy what the UFC is trying to do for the fans !!

AndrewRJ
2/14/08 9:47:05PM
agagagaga **** u devil my fwend and i like to pst wetarded shit ahagahaahga
BlazinSaddle
2/14/08 11:01:48PM
to cmill

even tho i'd love to play in the NHL someday i have to agree in some ways, when the NHL went under in the 2004-2005 season they had lots of issues with paying players, coaches, arena costs, et cetera....and players were complaining about money and this and that, and rating for the NHL were going down for some reason, personally hockey is the most exciting mainstream sport so much going on so much planning and knowing what to do on the fly, sort of like MMA, thats why gretzky was the greatest player of all time he wasnt the fastest or had the hardest shot but he had an eye for the game and always knew what to do on the ice like a 7th sense just for hockey

now back to the point the NHL changed alot of rules in the 2005-2006 season, making the 2 red lines behind the goalie nets so players cant go back there when the goalie has the puck, or making the goalie pads smaller so more goals can be scored (not bigger nets) and the new fight rule making fights more rare and many more rules.

i cant thank the UFC enough for making this sport what it is today, without zuffa and yes even pride MMA would not be as big and continue to grow at the speed its growing at, some people think MMA is as big as it will ever get today what with TUF and Fight Nights but i disagree, i think it can get mainstream and just needs about 5+ years to get to this point where Rampage or GSP or BJ or whoever are household names, i like how the UFC is sort of the big show, maybe they dont have all the best fighters but neither does the NFL or NHL or NBA, theres always someone better out there that dosnt play professionally or even in different leagues, even if you dont like dana at least thank him for putting up great events and turning MMA around from bloodsport to real sport
jocksmall
2/14/08 11:44:01PM

Posted by AndrewRJ

There is no doubt that without the UFC that MMA would be unpopular and more demonized than it is now; but are they going to far with their commercialism and franchising?
If you were to ask a random person on the street if they knew what UFC was they would probably answer yes, if you were to ask that same person what MMA they might not know. With PRIDE gone what other MMA promotoer has a chance? The UFC has all the best fighters, the best arenas, and the most exposure; how are the fighters that fight in the underground, unknown, small shows supposed to get expsure; how are they supposed to support themselves and their families on 135$ a fight?
The UFC is what is going to end the pure sport of MMA, it was the beginning and the end together. What made it so appealing was MMA's demise. The smaller organizations will get knocked off sending a bunch of fighters into free agency where they might not be picked up. Even the big promoters in MMA are unrecognizable like M1, Elite XC, and King of the Ring; Zuffa is destroying MMA and creating a whole different sport called "UFC".
The franchisement of the sport of MMA will be complete in a few years, fighters will have no choice but to fight in the UFC or WEC or IFL. The UFC has the WEC to prove fighters worthy for the UFC and the IFL for the WEC. Good for buisness bad for the sport.
Save the sport, watch MMA not just UFC.


first the ufc doesnt have all the best fighters , they just market better and make everyone think that there fighters are the best and all others are terrible until they come to the ufc then of course they are great until they leave because they suck again after they leave. best arenas? anyone can rent an arena they dont own them and the attendence in japan dwarfs anything the ufc has ever done. they just do way better with ppv and spike tv and like i said marketing. you are wrong about the money as well because the ufc controls everything including how often a guy fights which determines how much he makes. these guys sign contracts but there are not enough events for all of them. many of them would do better financially elsewhere. i also disagree that the ufc will take over everyone in a few years because there contracts are so one-sided many will go elsewhere to have more freedom. all of that being said the ufc has helped mma alot by getting mainstream attention for the sport and promoting many of the guys into superstars. the problem is that many of the fans believe everything they are told by the ufc promos. they are trying to sell ppvs the fighter on the card isnt superman and may not be able to beat guys in other orgs.
ac_gi
2/15/08 12:20:09AM

Posted by AndrewRJ

Save the sport....



Are you kidding? The sport is in the midst of a meteoric rise in popularity. HDNet Fights, EliteXC, M1 etc. didn't pop up because it is dying.
cmill21
2/15/08 12:30:49AM
I gotta say, I don't think the UFC is ruining the sport. They are causing people to work alot harder to compete, which is great for us fans. I hope Dream takes off so theres none of this monopoly crap though. I do feel everything about the UFC is fair priced though. The UFC did get this hole thing mainstream which is great for the sport.
telnights
2/15/08 3:47:46AM
The TS reminds me of the guy that you see with the sign on saying the world is coming to an end. I'm not even going to try to debate this its like debating with the guy with the sign.

MMA IS COMING TO AN END RUN FOR YOUR LIVES...
woodmo
2/15/08 9:20:17AM

Posted by AndrewRJ

agagagaga **** u devil my fwend and i like to pst wetarded shit ahagahaahga



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