Rory MacDonald vs. Carlos Condit Planned For UFC 115

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emfleek
1/27/10 12:21:46PM
Former WEC welterweight champion, Carlos Condit (24-5), is in talks to take on King of the Cage star Rory MacDonald (10-0), at UFC 115 from the General Motors Place in Vancouver, B.C., Canada, on June 15.

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Twenty20Dollars
1/27/10 12:29:59PM
Rory hopefully by UD or Tko. I dont think I can pick condit here but if I do I will be rooting for rory.
xdanish020
1/27/10 2:23:51PM
Don't like this fight one bit, two guys who could very well be marketable in the UFC and you are giving them each other this early in their UFC careers?

Not very smart, IMO. MacDonald is going to beat Condit out of the UFC, and I'd like to see a lot more matchups w/ Condit

Diaz/Condit
Daley/Condit
Hazelett/Condit

the list goes on and on

overall, this is the first time in a long time I think Joe Silva messed up w/ his matchmaking. Both of these fighters should be given easier opponents to get a few wins to be built up.
marcoDGK
1/27/10 6:38:57PM

Posted by xdanish020

overall, this is the first time in a long time I think Joe Silva messed up w/ his matchmaking. Both of these fighters should be given easier opponents to get a few wins to be built up.



Jeez, I hope everyone doesn't think that way. Easier opponents? I would rather see good fights like this than putting these guys up against "easy" opponents. I wanna see good fights not babied superstars.
If they have a lot of potential then it will show in their fights and they won't get cut.

I can see Condit fighting Hazzelett but not Daley. IMO, this is a good match up that will be an exciting prelim fight.
xdanish020
1/27/10 6:46:52PM

Posted by marcoDGK


Posted by xdanish020

overall, this is the first time in a long time I think Joe Silva messed up w/ his matchmaking. Both of these fighters should be given easier opponents to get a few wins to be built up.



Jeez, I hope everyone doesn't think that way. Easier opponents? I would rather see good fights like this than putting these guys up against "easy" opponents. I wanna see good fights not babied superstars.
If they have a lot of potential then it will show in their fights and they won't get cut.

I can see Condit fighting Hazzelett but not Daley. IMO, this is a good match up that will be an exciting prelim fight.



Apparently they do, considering I've already gotten a bunch of props from that post. Trust me, I'd love to see these guys fight down the line, but right now it's just not the smart move. You need to give fighters like these somewhat easier fights so they are able to build a fanbase, since both seem to be very young, talented and marketable.

Not to mention, my easier opponents comment was slightly taken out of context by you, an easier opponent doesn't necessarily mean a bad fighter, just someone who might might not be a contender anytime soon but is still a good fighter, ala Marcus Davis or Chris Lytle, maybe even Paul Taylor.

And if you have no desire to see Condit/Daley then I just don't know what to say.....lol

I also don't disagree that this will be a good matchup, it's just not a smart move on the UFCs part because this fight alone won't sell a card, but it will cost one of these guys a potential spot on the roster or bring em down a few notches on the latter, esp for Condit.
Twenty20Dollars
1/27/10 7:53:06PM
I think this is a good matchup by Joe Silva and I think both guys wouldnt want easier opponents.
marcoDGK
1/27/10 7:59:18PM

Posted by xdanish020


Posted by marcoDGK


Posted by xdanish020

overall, this is the first time in a long time I think Joe Silva messed up w/ his matchmaking. Both of these fighters should be given easier opponents to get a few wins to be built up.



Jeez, I hope everyone doesn't think that way. Easier opponents? I would rather see good fights like this than putting these guys up against "easy" opponents. I wanna see good fights not babied superstars.
If they have a lot of potential then it will show in their fights and they won't get cut.

I can see Condit fighting Hazzelett but not Daley. IMO, this is a good match up that will be an exciting prelim fight.



Apparently they do, considering I've already gotten a bunch of props from that post. Trust me, I'd love to see these guys fight down the line, but right now it's just not the smart move. You need to give fighters like these somewhat easier fights so they are able to build a fanbase, since both seem to be very young, talented and marketable.

Not to mention, my easier opponents comment was slightly taken out of context by you, an easier opponent doesn't necessarily mean a bad fighter, just someone who might might not be a contender anytime soon but is still a good fighter, ala Marcus Davis or Chris Lytle, maybe even Paul Taylor.

And if you have no desire to see Condit/Daley then I just don't know what to say.....lol

I also don't disagree that this will be a good matchup, it's just not a smart move on the UFCs part because this fight alone won't sell a card, but it will cost one of these guys a potential spot on the roster or bring em down a few notches on the latter, esp for Condit.



Yeah, I might have taken it out of context. I just see this as a good fight for both because of their records so far. If the fight knocks Condit down a few notches because of a loss then, it happens. His record is awesome but maybe he’s not ready for the UFC. I think if MacDonald losses this fight his next one will be one of the same caliber as Condit or he will fight a new comer like himself.

Condit is 1-1. Both decision- one loss to Kampmann. MacDonald is 1-0. (11-0) First fight was against Guymon (sp?) I read somewhere that it was suppose to be the KOTC championship fight anyway. MacDonald has finished all his fights and both have impressive records.

Who else would you want them to fight if not each other?

I just don’t think Condit would fight Daley any time soon since Daley beat Kampmann. Seems like that is taken into consideration at times. Condit has only fought one ufc 'vet' and lost. His other fight was a new comer like himself.
EvenFlow
1/27/10 8:10:27PM
Maybe it's just me but I think at this point its a mismatch in favor of Condit. MacDonald showed a good amount of potential, against a nobody, let's see how he does against a top 15 fighter. I dont think he'll pass this test, he's probably not submitting Condit and his striking looked rudimentary imo.

Too early, too soon I agree with xandish in this one, but I still think this is a perfect fight for Condit right now.
jae_1833
1/27/10 8:14:32PM
I think it's kind of lame, Condit should be higher on the totem pole than Rory....who did impress defeating an unknown. I think Rory gets finished by the end of the 2nd.
lohmann
1/27/10 8:59:30PM

Posted by EvenFlow

Maybe it's just me but I think at this point its a mismatch in favor of Condit. MacDonald showed a good amount of potential, against a nobody, let's see how he does against a top 15 fighter. I dont think he'll pass this test, he's probably not submitting Condit and his striking looked rudimentary imo.

Too early, too soon I agree with xandish in this one, but I still think this is a perfect fight for Condit right now.



I agree. Condit is a top-tier welterweight, and this is a giant step up in competition for Rory MacDonald, who will in all likelihood be better than Condit some day.

Silva's a good matchmaker, but like many others, I do not see the sense in wasting somebody considered such a strong prospect. The UFC has built a few prospects slowly, especially Cain Velasquez, who advanced through a string of opponents, each a little better than the previous, that tested different facets of his overall game. They are doing the same for Bader and Jones at light heavyweight, Sadollah at welterweight, and did something similar with Maia.

Throwing a prospect to a top-ten or top-fifteen welterweight, especially one that could be less than a few fights from fighting for a title, seems unlike the UFC.
prozacnation1978
1/28/10 12:53:44AM
wonder if it will make the main card bout
xdanish020
1/28/10 3:22:01AM

Posted by lohmann


Posted by EvenFlow

Maybe it's just me but I think at this point its a mismatch in favor of Condit. MacDonald showed a good amount of potential, against a nobody, let's see how he does against a top 15 fighter. I dont think he'll pass this test, he's probably not submitting Condit and his striking looked rudimentary imo.

Too early, too soon I agree with xandish in this one, but I still think this is a perfect fight for Condit right now.



I agree. Condit is a top-tier welterweight, and this is a giant step up in competition for Rory MacDonald, who will in all likelihood be better than Condit some day.

Silva's a good matchmaker, but like many others, I do not see the sense in wasting somebody considered such a strong prospect. The UFC has built a few prospects slowly, especially Cain Velasquez, who advanced through a string of opponents, each a little better than the previous, that tested different facets of his overall game. They are doing the same for Bader and Jones at light heavyweight, Sadollah at welterweight, and did something similar with Maia.

Throwing a prospect to a top-ten or top-fifteen welterweight, especially one that could be less than a few fights from fighting for a title, seems unlike the UFC.



This is exactly what I was trying to say man, they also did it with Bisping...but we saw how that turned out,
xdanish020
1/28/10 3:27:40AM

Posted by marcoDGK

I just don’t think Condit would fight Daley any time soon since Daley beat Kampmann. Seems like that is taken into consideration at times. Condit has only fought one ufc 'vet' and lost. His other fight was a new comer like himself.



I wasn't saying they should fight right now, Kos vs. Daley is slated for 113 iirc, but in the future...you can't tell me Condit vs. Daley wouldn't be fireworks. They'd stand kinda like Ellenberger/Condit, until Condit feels Daleys power and takes it to the ground where he is more dominant w/ his submissions, where as Daley isn't the wrestler Ellenberger was. I think that fight just screams excitement. If Daley doesn't KO Condit, he could get subbed....kinda like the Hazelett fight w/ Daley, except Carlos has the striking to actually make it interesting on the feet.
EvenFlow
1/28/10 11:11:19AM

Posted by xdanish020

This is exactly what I was trying to say man, they also did it with Bisping...but we saw how that turned out,



Thats not what you said bud...


Posted by xdanish020
Not very smart, IMO. MacDonald is going to beat Condit out of the UFC, and I'd like to see a lot more matchups w/ Condit

xdanish020
1/28/10 11:44:09AM

Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by xdanish020

This is exactly what I was trying to say man, they also did it with Bisping...but we saw how that turned out,



Thats not what you said bud...


Posted by xdanish020
Not very smart, IMO. MacDonald is going to beat Condit out of the UFC, and I'd like to see a lot more matchups w/ Condit




I said, that's what I was trying to say...I shouldn't have quoted his entire post, my reference was to his Amir and Cain examples, not who will win between Condit/MacDonald.

The whole purpose of my posts throughout this thread has been that they should both be built up and not be fighting each other this early in their career....ala what I quoted about Amir, Cain, etc.

Nice try tho, bud.....next time pay more attention and read everything I say and not just tid bits of information.
EvenFlow
1/28/10 12:17:05PM

Posted by xdanish020


Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by xdanish020

This is exactly what I was trying to say man, they also did it with Bisping...but we saw how that turned out,



Thats not what you said bud...


Posted by xdanish020
Not very smart, IMO. MacDonald is going to beat Condit out of the UFC, and I'd like to see a lot more matchups w/ Condit




I said, that's what I was trying to say...I shouldn't have quoted his entire post, my reference was to his Amir and Cain examples, not who will win between Condit/MacDonald.

The whole purpose of my posts throughout this thread has been that they should both be built up and not be fighting each other this early in their career....ala what I quoted about Amir, Cain, etc.

Nice try tho, bud.....next time pay more attention and read everything I say and not just tid bits of information.




5 edits, jeez make up your mind pal

And this was the only topic, he agreed with me, not you so you indirectly were quoting me saying you said the same thing. Which you didnt, you thought Rory would win this easy then turn around and say "look what they did with bisbing" clearly contradicting your previous remark that you think rory would "beat condit out of the ufc" you didnt mean anything else we were all talking about the same thing... nice try indeed
xdanish020
1/28/10 12:44:11PM

Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by xdanish020


Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by xdanish020

This is exactly what I was trying to say man, they also did it with Bisping...but we saw how that turned out,



Thats not what you said bud...


Posted by xdanish020
Not very smart, IMO. MacDonald is going to beat Condit out of the UFC, and I'd like to see a lot more matchups w/ Condit




I said, that's what I was trying to say...I shouldn't have quoted his entire post, my reference was to his Amir and Cain examples, not who will win between Condit/MacDonald.

The whole purpose of my posts throughout this thread has been that they should both be built up and not be fighting each other this early in their career....ala what I quoted about Amir, Cain, etc.

Nice try tho, bud.....next time pay more attention and read everything I say and not just tid bits of information.




5 edits, jeez make up your mind pal

And this was the only topic, he agreed with me, not you so you indirectly were quoting me saying you said the same thing. Which you didnt, you thought Rory would win this easy then turn around and say "look what they did with bisbing" clearly contradicting your previous remark that you think rory would "beat condit out of the ufc" you didnt mean anything else we were all talking about the same thing... nice try indeed



edits are for punctuation and what does it matter how many edits I have, lol... please quote me where I said Rory would win easy (maybe I jumped to the gun about him beating Condit out of the UFC, I'll give you that), but again.....learn to read and comprehend my entire posts, you're clearly not understanding so I'm done replying to you.

I've received the most props from this thread alone more than any other thread I've posted in so I'm pretty sure some people understand.
EvenFlow
1/28/10 12:52:20PM

Posted by xdanish020


Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by xdanish020


Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by xdanish020

This is exactly what I was trying to say man, they also did it with Bisping...but we saw how that turned out,



Thats not what you said bud...


Posted by xdanish020
Not very smart, IMO. MacDonald is going to beat Condit out of the UFC, and I'd like to see a lot more matchups w/ Condit




I said, that's what I was trying to say...I shouldn't have quoted his entire post, my reference was to his Amir and Cain examples, not who will win between Condit/MacDonald.

The whole purpose of my posts throughout this thread has been that they should both be built up and not be fighting each other this early in their career....ala what I quoted about Amir, Cain, etc.

Nice try tho, bud.....next time pay more attention and read everything I say and not just tid bits of information.




5 edits, jeez make up your mind pal

And this was the only topic, he agreed with me, not you so you indirectly were quoting me saying you said the same thing. Which you didnt, you thought Rory would win this easy then turn around and say "look what they did with bisbing" clearly contradicting your previous remark that you think rory would "beat condit out of the ufc" you didnt mean anything else we were all talking about the same thing... nice try indeed



edits are for punctuation, please quote me where I said Rory would win easy, again.....learn to read and comprehend.



Insults, really? last result of a man with nothing to say.

Besides it was a figure of speech about the winning easily (obviously). You said he'd "beat him out of the UFC" very confidently so its a pretty easy assumption that you think very highly of MacDonald after beating one no name then out of nowhere Bisbing gets mention when he got nothing but cans forever, completely irrelevant.
xdanish020
1/28/10 1:01:40PM

Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by xdanish020


Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by xdanish020


Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by xdanish020

This is exactly what I was trying to say man, they also did it with Bisping...but we saw how that turned out,



Thats not what you said bud...


Posted by xdanish020
Not very smart, IMO. MacDonald is going to beat Condit out of the UFC, and I'd like to see a lot more matchups w/ Condit




I said, that's what I was trying to say...I shouldn't have quoted his entire post, my reference was to his Amir and Cain examples, not who will win between Condit/MacDonald.

The whole purpose of my posts throughout this thread has been that they should both be built up and not be fighting each other this early in their career....ala what I quoted about Amir, Cain, etc.

Nice try tho, bud.....next time pay more attention and read everything I say and not just tid bits of information.




5 edits, jeez make up your mind pal

And this was the only topic, he agreed with me, not you so you indirectly were quoting me saying you said the same thing. Which you didnt, you thought Rory would win this easy then turn around and say "look what they did with bisbing" clearly contradicting your previous remark that you think rory would "beat condit out of the ufc" you didnt mean anything else we were all talking about the same thing... nice try indeed



edits are for punctuation, please quote me where I said Rory would win easy, again.....learn to read and comprehend.



Insults, really? last result of a man with nothing to say.

Besides it was a figure of speech about the winning easily (obviously). You said he'd "beat him out of the UFC" very confidently so its a pretty easy assumption that you think very highly of MacDonald after beating one no name then out of nowhere Bisbing gets mention when he got nothing but cans forever, completely irrelevant.



lol I don't see any insults, probably like I didn't see anywhere that I said Rory would win easy......stop making things up

And if you think Guymon is a no namer, than once again

I'm done wasting my time with you.
EvenFlow
1/28/10 2:25:45PM

Posted by xdanish020


Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by xdanish020


Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by xdanish020


Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by xdanish020

This is exactly what I was trying to say man, they also did it with Bisping...but we saw how that turned out,



Thats not what you said bud...


Posted by xdanish020
Not very smart, IMO. MacDonald is going to beat Condit out of the UFC, and I'd like to see a lot more matchups w/ Condit




I said, that's what I was trying to say...I shouldn't have quoted his entire post, my reference was to his Amir and Cain examples, not who will win between Condit/MacDonald.

The whole purpose of my posts throughout this thread has been that they should both be built up and not be fighting each other this early in their career....ala what I quoted about Amir, Cain, etc.

Nice try tho, bud.....next time pay more attention and read everything I say and not just tid bits of information.




5 edits, jeez make up your mind pal

And this was the only topic, he agreed with me, not you so you indirectly were quoting me saying you said the same thing. Which you didnt, you thought Rory would win this easy then turn around and say "look what they did with bisbing" clearly contradicting your previous remark that you think rory would "beat condit out of the ufc" you didnt mean anything else we were all talking about the same thing... nice try indeed



edits are for punctuation, please quote me where I said Rory would win easy, again.....learn to read and comprehend.



Insults, really? last result of a man with nothing to say.

Besides it was a figure of speech about the winning easily (obviously). You said he'd "beat him out of the UFC" very confidently so its a pretty easy assumption that you think very highly of MacDonald after beating one no name then out of nowhere Bisbing gets mention when he got nothing but cans forever, completely irrelevant.



lol I don't see any insults, probably like I didn't see anywhere that I said Rory would win easy......stop making things up

And if you think Guymon is a no namer, than once again

I'm done wasting my time with you.



"Learn to read and comprehend" how isnt that insulting? especially when I wasnt the one off topic talking about Bisbing lol. You bring up something irrelevant and I need to learn huh, maybe you should learn to spell instead of spell checking 5 times.

P.S. Fighting in KTOC your whole career dosnt qualify as a high quality win for Rory bud, get over it. And youre right you have been wasting my time.
CwB
1/28/10 3:17:41PM

Posted by xdanish020

Don't like this fight one bit, two guys who could very well be marketable in the UFC and you are giving them each other this early in their UFC careers?

Not very smart, IMO. MacDonald is going to beat Condit out of the UFC, and I'd like to see a lot more matchups w/ Condit

Diaz/Condit
Daley/Condit
Hazelett/Condit

the list goes on and on

overall, this is the first time in a long time I think Joe Silva messed up w/ his matchmaking. Both of these fighters should be given easier opponents to get a few wins to be built up.



TRUST me, even if Condit loses this fight his position in the UFC is very safe. He has already had two Fight of the Night worthy fights. (Cant remember if they actually won those bonuses, vs. Kampmann and Ellenburger) The UFC loves exciting fighters win or lose. cough cough Lytle cough...
seanfu
1/28/10 9:51:57PM
When is Condit unifying those belts btw? lol
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