Ronda Rousey vs Liz Carmouche Main Event at UFC 157

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george112
12/6/12 6:39:11PM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by george112

But once people see just how un-technical the females are ratings will likely drop with a female main event



Yeah, you apparently haven't watched much WMMA lately. They're catching up, bro.


Dude I've watched plenty.

If by catching up you mean making it to the UFC then yeah they have.

Also women's MMA isn't new. It's been around for awhile . The UFC is banking on Rousey right now ie. Her being the champ and coming into the UFC.

But come on man if your name isn't carano,rousey, or cyborg then your pretty much gonna get whooped.
emfleek
12/6/12 6:43:24PM

Posted by george112

If by catching up you mean making it to the UFC then yeah they have.



I'm talking about your comment regarding how "un-technical" they are.

Sure, they're not on the level of the males but the gap is narrowing for sure.

It's no different than watching 90% of the guys that come through the TUF house.

sparky
12/6/12 6:44:10PM

Posted by Gogoplatapus

Same guys bitching about Hendricks getting passed on WARing Rousey vs some chick I've never heard of. In a main event. On PPV.

I'd buy Barao McDonald way before I'd buy Rousey vs anyone.

There's only one good female fight out there. After that, zero.



Just because you dont know who Liz Carmouche is doesnt make this fight unworthy. You wont watch Ronda as a main event but you will waste your time on a million threads about the women.
george112
12/6/12 6:50:42PM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by george112

If by catching up you mean making it to the UFC then yeah they have.



I'm talking about your comment regarding how "un-technical" they are.

Sure, they're not on the level of the males but the gap is narrowing for sure.

It's no different than watching 90% of the guys that come through the TUF house.




My Bad man. I wasn't meaning ALL women are untechnical. I meant if your name wasn't one of the ones noted in my above post (there are few select others) and your in the ring 85% of the time the striking exchanges are mediocre. Literally like no joke.

That's why I think the UFC should have waited until the women had more then ONE popular fighter to market and put on fights. Because the problem with doing that is their will be relative unknowns who will be brought in to fight high caliber females like Rousey and get demolished.

Kind of get where I'm coming from?
jay98107
12/6/12 7:01:30PM
Am I the only one that is surprised Rousey is main eventing? Not because of talent level or anything, but I just wonder if the oft-mentioned "casual UFC fan" knows who she is and is ready for a WMMA main event, given that there hasn't been a single WMMA fight in the UFC at all. I thought they might try to make her co-main event or expose fans to more WMMA before having her headline. I'm not necessarily saying I disagree, just surprised.
DrivenDavies15
12/6/12 7:06:32PM
I personally am excited for this fight because Liz is such a fun fighter to watch and Rousey as we know is on a whole 'nother level. I just really want to see WMMA succeed. This is one of the most important events for the UFC. Having Hendo/Machida and Faber on the card will help the casual fans open up to this event.

If I'm not mistaken Rousey's fights in SF this year brought the most viewers in out of their events so I hope people will pay for Rousey/Carmouche. I know I will.
Poor_Franklin
12/6/12 7:12:01PM

Posted by jay98107

Am I the only one that is surprised Rousey is main eventing? Not because of talent level or anything, but I just wonder if the oft-mentioned "casual UFC fan" knows who she is and is ready for a WMMA main event, given that there hasn't been a single WMMA fight in the UFC at all. I thought they might try to make her co-main event or expose fans to more WMMA before having her headline. I'm not necessarily saying I disagree, just surprised.



not surprised, but amused
it's funny that Mighty Mouse vs Benavidez was a comain event & this is a main event.
Bubbles
12/6/12 7:31:51PM

Posted by Gogoplatapus

There's only one good female fight out there. After that, zero.


clearly you have never watched any WMMA and only know names
Bubbles
12/6/12 7:39:11PM

Posted by Poor_Franklin


Posted by jay98107

Am I the only one that is surprised Rousey is main eventing? Not because of talent level or anything, but I just wonder if the oft-mentioned "casual UFC fan" knows who she is and is ready for a WMMA main event, given that there hasn't been a single WMMA fight in the UFC at all. I thought they might try to make her co-main event or expose fans to more WMMA before having her headline. I'm not necessarily saying I disagree, just surprised.



not surprised, but amused
it's funny that Mighty Mouse vs Benavidez was a comain event & this is a main event.


well that was the original main event until Jones ducked Sonnen and 151 got cancelled and Jones vs Belfort became the new main event for 152
Poor_Franklin
12/6/12 8:18:18PM

Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Poor_Franklin


Posted by jay98107

Am I the only one that is surprised Rousey is main eventing? Not because of talent level or anything, but I just wonder if the oft-mentioned "casual UFC fan" knows who she is and is ready for a WMMA main event, given that there hasn't been a single WMMA fight in the UFC at all. I thought they might try to make her co-main event or expose fans to more WMMA before having her headline. I'm not necessarily saying I disagree, just surprised.



not surprised, but amused
it's funny that Mighty Mouse vs Benavidez was a comain event & this is a main event.


well that was the original main event until Jones ducked Sonnen and 151 got cancelled and Jones vs Belfort became the new main event for 152



thanks Bubbs! totally forgot about that!
jae_1833
12/6/12 10:34:40PM
My problems:
1. This is placed over Hendo vs Machida and Shogun vs Gustaffson (both have big implications in the LHW Division) while on a ppv instead of the options. (FX Main Event, FuelTV Main Event, etc.)
2. Liz, come on guys! If you watch WMMA then you know she is a B+, A- fighter who has lost to every big named female fighter she has faced and is coming off of a win against a fighter whose record is 50/50. There were other opponents that could have been selected even if it was just a fighter who would help build the Rousey name and future fight with Cyborg.
Franklinfan47
12/6/12 10:56:58PM
Listen, I have no problem with Liz Carmouche. Props to her for taking the fight.

BUT I have to say Im disapointed this will be the first female fight in the ufc, instead of Cyborg or McMann.

Personally I blame those girls for not taking the fight. How could you NOT want to be known as one of the first two females to ever fight in the UFC?
infestructure
12/6/12 11:06:12PM
The only way I thought this would be a good idea was Cyborg vs Rousey. No disrespect to Liz, but she is undeserving of a main event spot, and it shows how the UFC is only too willing to skew cards favorably in the way of their favorites. I know its done throughout boxing too, to build reputation and records, but it reeks of greed to me.
I-GOT-THIS-PICK
12/7/12 12:49:51AM
If the UFC wants Rousey to remain there golden girl they should never mention the name Cyborg.again.If they fight that will be the end of womens mma in the UFC unless they back Cyborg who is really the best female fighter in the world but is fugly and looks more manly then Mighty Mouse Johnson
kingsmasher
12/7/12 1:13:07AM

Posted by sparky


Posted by Goatenstein

This shouldn't be the main event just because it could end so quickly.



Thats like saying JDS vs Cain shouldnt be main event because that can end quickly too

I personally think Rousey on PPV will do awesome I for one will be ordering this event

WAR ROUSEY




You think Rousey will do awesome for pay per view...I bet the exact opposite...Flops big time...Womens MMA will never be a main draw...IF you put Brock and Fedor on the card would be the best thing Dana could do...

If I was Dana I would put Rousey on a card right under GSP....Your biggest audience is the best chance to get her the proper exposure...cause this isnt about womans MMA at all...Its really about Dana love for Rousey...

You need to promote fighters and I dont see Dana promoting any other female period...

Welcome to the Rousey Show!!
kingsmasher
12/7/12 1:17:13AM

Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Gogoplatapus

There's only one good female fight out there. After that, zero.


clearly you have never watched any WMMA and only know names




Ive watched it and Gogo is right...
kingsmasher
12/7/12 1:20:05AM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by DancingDoll

I don't really know who Carmouche is... I'm still a newbie to women's MMA. It sounds like she's just another arm to add to Ronda's collection, but it'll still be exciting to kickstart the division.



Pretty much. A showcase fight to introduce her to the world from the "big" stage.



To introduce her to the world a better idea would have been to put her under a GSP main event....I think this is poor promotions from the UFC..
kingsmasher
12/7/12 1:24:26AM

Posted by sparky


Posted by Gogoplatapus

Same guys bitching about Hendricks getting passed on WARing Rousey vs some chick I've never heard of. In a main event. On PPV.

I'd buy Barao McDonald way before I'd buy Rousey vs anyone.

There's only one good female fight out there. After that, zero.



Just because you dont know who Liz Carmouche is doesnt make this fight unworthy. You wont watch Ronda as a main event but you will waste your time on a million threads about the women.



Not knowing who Liz is doesnt make the fight unworthy...You are correct.....The odds that come out when they do, make it unworthy...Circus fight...

Theres only two three fights that are worth watching...Cyborg Rousey and MCCann...Even Tate isnt that great...

How many woman fighters actually throw correct punches in a fight?
kingsmasher
12/7/12 1:29:13AM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by george112

If by catching up you mean making it to the UFC then yeah they have.



I'm talking about your comment regarding how "un-technical" they are.

Sure, they're not on the level of the males but the gap is narrowing for sure.

It's no different than watching 90% of the guys that come through the TUF house.





Well to be truthful who said TUF was and has been worth watching for how long now?
crushedbacon
12/7/12 11:26:51AM
IMO the reason Rousey's fighting on PPV is because the UFC knows she's gonna pull in viewers. There will be the segment that has no clue about MMA, and hears a women's fight is happening in the UFC "Oh a women's fight in UFC.... that's different... maybe I will watch."

Then just women in general that are fans of the sport will want to watch naturally. Also, she's done very well exposing herself through the mainstream media. Basically the UFC is aware she will get them PPV buys, and they have no problem with booking her in a bunch of bullshit fights to do that. Making $ above all logic and reason.

I don't see why everybody gets so offended when people say they have no interest in watching WMMA based on the true ability of the competitors. Sure they might have credentials, and improving technique, but seriously.... different worlds. I love hockey, but watching the best women hockey players in the world sucks. The Canadian women's national hockey team gets beat by small town boys AAA teams (16 and 17 year olds) 6-2 and 7-1 all the time, as they prepare for the Olympics.... that's the national team vs kids from one small city somewhere.

The only sports that I enjoy watching women more than men are tennis/volleyball, they have less power, which allows for longer rallies, very enjoyable... that's being just straight up honest.... hockey sucks, basketball sucks, golf sucks.

I can't wait when round 3 ends with Henderson & Machida locked in a war, people not sure which way the decision is gonna go...
Gogoplatapus
12/7/12 12:52:51PM

Posted by sparky


Posted by Gogoplatapus

Same guys bitching about Hendricks getting passed on WARing Rousey vs some chick I've never heard of. In a main event. On PPV.

I'd buy Barao McDonald way before I'd buy Rousey vs anyone.

There's only one good female fight out there. After that, zero.



Just because you dont know who Liz Carmouche is doesnt make this fight unworthy. You wont watch Ronda as a main event but you will waste your time on a million threads about the women.



Yes it does.

Explain to me how this fight is worthy to headline a PPV. I'll wait.
Gogoplatapus
12/7/12 12:54:50PM

Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Gogoplatapus

There's only one good female fight out there. After that, zero.


clearly you have never watched any WMMA and only know names



Of course I don't watch it. It sucks.
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