No more religious or political threads in the forums.

As others have already stated, the site has tightened up considerably over the past 6 months. I have had some very knowledgeable conversations about touchy subjects and am a more educated person for it. I understand that there are times when things get out of hand and flaming begins, but I believe that we should be able to talk about religion and/or politics if we choose to. It is insane to restrict us from doing so.

I usually participate or start political type threads, and I can honestly say ive seen like 3-4 times where someone said something retarded. but like others have said, just skip their post... Not sure why there is a need to micromanage the padded room. I could see if something racy is posted in the Locker Room. Im all for moving them to the padded room. But the Padded Room should be a semi-uncensored area. I could see banning porn,excessive swearing, hateful posts... but besides that, I see no reason to even pay attention to the padded room. If I was a Mod, Id go in there every so often, check for porn and whatnot, give some warnings or bans and be done with it. How hard is that??

Yeah the site "belongs" to someone but wasnt it for people to post in???

I could see if this site was like Sherdog forums... This place isnt even close to the garbage ive seen on that place. Just seems little much.

So now we are only to post "who would win..." threads, "pick your top ten fighter" threads, and how you did on events??? The site is being dumbed down...

If we have young immature teens that post crap on good topics and ruin them, then it makes a LOT of sense to ban the serious topics and stick to just MMA and "who cares" nonsense topics,,,, cuz that really deters young immature teens from joining when they see no serious threads

By banning these topics to AVOID little idiots from posting, your indirectly making this place more superficial, thus attracting the same idiots your trying to get rid of...

Ive had plenty of good threads with many different mods, and its a shame that the conservative mods that have a financial stake in the site get to call all the shots...

I love this site, but would be furious if the money I fork over had no bearing on site decisions if I was premium.

ban the people, not the subjects. shame

Just so you guys know the mods have 0 financial stake in the website. Everything we do is volunteer. That's all of us. Okay- continue discussing

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Posted by Jackelope

Just so you guys know the mods have 0 financial stake in the website. Everything we do is volunteer. That's all of us. Okay- continue discussing

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Gotcha. well then if the mods dont have a financial stake in the site who does? whos actually saying NO MORE of these topics???

I could see the actual owner of the site saying no more, but if everyone shares the site, there should be some kind of democratic way for this...

So now what are the guidelines here? If someone even posts a dancing Obama .gif are they banned? Where is the line here?

Big difference from trashing the Bible or making death threats against a political figure and some bonehead saying he hates Catholicism cuz the host doesnt taste good lol... or something stupid like that.

Also looking at the threads, the mods ive seen have taken a "dont shoot the messenger" responses... so who is the one directing the message and why do they overrule other mods that have no issue and are just following the rules and the countless others that want these topics back??? cant be financial, cuz it was said mods dont have financial stakes in the site...

So the banking/car manufactures bailout issue is semi political, is that off limits lol?

If these topics are BANNED, then it is required by the people who BANNED them to come up with a well documented outline of what is and isnt banned...

This post is not directed at you Jackelope, but the "mods" banning this is a major misstep.

not to be a sarcastic prick, but maybe we should get rid of the grinning devil message icon. And even the icon because that roots back to anarchist sign of the beast, punk rock days...lol

Lately I come here every day. Before that I was coming every week or so. At no point in that time did i ever even open a political thread. Therefore my sensibilities were not offended once.I am here to discuss MMA and sports. I don't understand what the point of banning a topic of discussion will do. I mean if you can't take getting picked on on a message board you need to stop participating in society.

Ive seen a post by Hippysmacker saying no more political/religious threads FOR NOW... Hippy, are you the front runner for this new idea? If so, who else Mod-wise was adamant about banning? Also, if you are the front runner for this idea, can this be re-thought instead of an all out ban?

If the moderators that have commented on this issue are just law enforcers, who is the law creator? And why is that person/people able to make blanket rules like this if its a site for everyone?

Why dont you take a 30 person sample survey of top posters or people that have been here for a while and get a real vote??? even a site wide vote...

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Posted by StevenSeagal

Ive seen a post by Hippysmacker saying no more political/religious threads FOR NOW... Hippy, are you the front runner for this new idea? If so, who else Mod-wise was adamant about banning? Also, if you are the front runner for this idea, can this be re-thought instead of an all out ban?

If the moderators that have commented on this issue are just law enforcers, who is the law creator? And why is that person/people able to make blanket rules like this if its a site for everyone?

Why dont you take a 30 person sample survey of top posters or people that have been here for a while and get a real vote??? even a site wide vote...

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the responsible of that is IMO one of the following :

1- The Company ( prison break )

2- Massive Dynamic ( fringe )

3- Umbrella Corporation ( resident evil )

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Posted by tuvok500

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Posted by StevenSeagal

Ive seen a post by Hippysmacker saying no more political/religious threads FOR NOW... Hippy, are you the front runner for this new idea? If so, who else Mod-wise was adamant about banning? Also, if you are the front runner for this idea, can this be re-thought instead of an all out ban?

If the moderators that have commented on this issue are just law enforcers, who is the law creator? And why is that person/people able to make blanket rules like this if its a site for everyone?

Why dont you take a 30 person sample survey of top posters or people that have been here for a while and get a real vote??? even a site wide vote...

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the responsible of that is IMO one of the following :

1- The Company ( prison break )

2- Massive Dynamic ( fringe )

3- Umbrella Corporation ( resident evil )

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Dothemmamath = Albert Wesker.

I think, the forums should just be closed then.
Keep the whole betting section and the news section then just shut down the rest.

This site is getting less and less interesting for me. My only interested is in the game and reading the news. Because, thread are now shut down according to people beliefs or "for the kids" sake. Which sucks, what is happening now, it`s the destruction of a great community.

I think the only we can do as a user is to stop paying the premium membership. I know I will, I paid for the last time and when my membership expired I won`t renew.

I meet lots of great people but I`m not really interested in debating who would win between Randy or Andre The giant or any fantasy match. Also I don`t think I should give my move to censorship.

Anyway, I'm really deceive by all this and it`s just another great things that is gone.
Thanks for the mods that have fight for us and the other should be ashamed of themself.

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Posted by StevenSeagal

Ive seen a post by Hippysmacker saying no more political/religious threads FOR NOW... Hippy, are you the front runner for this new idea? If so, who else Mod-wise was adamant about banning? Also, if you are the front runner for this idea, can this be re-thought instead of an all out ban?

If the moderators that have commented on this issue are just law enforcers, who is the law creator? And why is that person/people able to make blanket rules like this if its a site for everyone?

Why dont you take a 30 person sample survey of top posters or people that have been here for a while and get a real vote??? even a site wide vote...

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the responsible of that is IMO one of the following :

1- The Company ( prison break )

2- Massive Dynamic ( fringe )

3- Umbrella Corporation ( resident evil )

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not sure what the heck that post meant but ok...

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Posted by StevenSeagal

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Posted by tuvok500

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Posted by StevenSeagal

Ive seen a post by Hippysmacker saying no more political/religious threads FOR NOW... Hippy, are you the front runner for this new idea? If so, who else Mod-wise was adamant about banning? Also, if you are the front runner for this idea, can this be re-thought instead of an all out ban?

If the moderators that have commented on this issue are just law enforcers, who is the law creator? And why is that person/people able to make blanket rules like this if its a site for everyone?

Why dont you take a 30 person sample survey of top posters or people that have been here for a while and get a real vote??? even a site wide vote...

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the responsible of that is IMO one of the following :

1- The Company ( prison break )

2- Massive Dynamic ( fringe )

3- Umbrella Corporation ( resident evil )

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not sure what the heck that post meant but ok...

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You wanted to know who created the laws, so i gave you the 3 most probable under cover organization who run everything !! lol

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Posted by tuvok500

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Posted by StevenSeagal

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Posted by tuvok500

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Posted by StevenSeagal

Ive seen a post by Hippysmacker saying no more political/religious threads FOR NOW... Hippy, are you the front runner for this new idea? If so, who else Mod-wise was adamant about banning? Also, if you are the front runner for this idea, can this be re-thought instead of an all out ban?

If the moderators that have commented on this issue are just law enforcers, who is the law creator? And why is that person/people able to make blanket rules like this if its a site for everyone?

Why dont you take a 30 person sample survey of top posters or people that have been here for a while and get a real vote??? even a site wide vote...

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the responsible of that is IMO one of the following :

1- The Company ( prison break )

2- Massive Dynamic ( fringe )

3- Umbrella Corporation ( resident evil )

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not sure what the heck that post meant but ok...

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You wanted to know who created the laws, so i gave you the 3 most probable under cover organization who run everything !! lol

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ahh gotcha lol thanks man

you forgot Weyland-Yutani Corp. in that list

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Posted by Jackelope

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Posted by Matimus

while I believe that political and religious threads turn into flame wars 94% of the time, I also believe in freedom of speech / Typing.

I also believe that The playground is turning into a gestapo more and more every day.

abuse of power seems to be the cool thing around here, and mod duties are handled like a Teen forum.

Hell, Im sure Ill get a warning from someone for this post.

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But don't you see how this particular post is so much different than some of the other posts? You're coming out swinging for the fences insulting me and the other mods. I don't think I've ever done anything to slight you, so why would I deserve that? This is the kind of "dumping on the mods" that is just ridiculous. It's beyond fair to say that things have been awfully strict and maybe it should be toned down, but to INSULT is just plain ridiculous.

Explain exactly how any of the mods have abused their powers? To my knowledge none has ever abused their powers. Some may have been more strict than others, but I've never seen an outright abuse. I would likely be the first person to call it out if I did see an outright abuse.

Also- For the record I have never once handed out a warning or a ban for someone bashing the mods.

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Im not swinging for the fences, Im voicing my opinion, If you're insulted by my post, thats your problem, I didnt attack you, I didnt single you out, or any other mod, Im comparing this site to every other forum out there, and yes, this forum is EXACTLY like a teen forum, maybe a little more relaxed, but in general, theres no difference.

Explain abuse of power?
Ive been warned for making simple comments "rampage probably wont be fighting for some time", Then when I ask how thats smack talking, I get warned that Ill be banned, meanwhile, people are saying "weems sucks hardcore", "machida is a p*ssy" etc.

I mean come on, when mods have

"MMA Playground Ninja Moderator - Be cool and follow forum conduct or you'll be banned and all you will see is a puff of smoke. Members banned - 31, IPs banned - 19"

As their signature, bragging about bans? Im sorry but that is exactly what a little kid moderating a teen forum would do, and I will bet Only half of those bans were justified.

Again, if you are insulted by this, then you're just feeling guilty, telling it like it is isnt being Hostile and Insulting, and that isnt my intention, Im trying to say loud and clear how 80% of the forum users feel.

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Posted by Matimus

I mean come on, when mods have

"MMA Playground Ninja Moderator - Be cool and follow forum conduct or you'll be banned and all you will see is a puff of smoke. Members banned - 31, IPs banned - 19"

As their signature, bragging about bans? Im sorry but that is exactly what a little kid moderating a teen forum would do, and I will bet Only half of those bans were justified.

Again, if you are insulted by this, then you're just feeling guilty, telling it like it is isnt being Hostile and Insulting, and that isnt my intention, Im trying to say loud and clear how 80% of the forum users feel.

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There are a lot of things in this forum that I don't like (signatures, avatars, posts) I only deal with the ones that are against forum/site policy. If you don't like it then I suggest you do not post on an open forum.

And of course you know dick all about whom I ban. If I could dig up all the members that I have banned and the reasons (I could but this would take time), I am 100% sure you would not be able to argue that any of them were not justified or wouldn't even know who the hell they were because they were either knowingly bad members, clones or advertising accounts. Not one member has come forward to me with any kind of concern about my signature, having a problem with it. In fact the signature was even fashionable when you were all posting like giddy kids in the "banned members" thread or complaining that the mods were doing nothing.

That fact that you accuse me of being "a kid" or "feeling guilty" if I am insulted is trying to cover your ass with the comments you made. If you think that
'saying it like it is" isn't hostile and insulting, you're just kidding yourself. Saying what you are saying is obviously an attempt at attacking, but trying to act like a victim. The fact that you are posting this in the public area and not via PM also is evidence of this. If your real concern was my signature (or anything else) you would accomplish the same thing via PM, but you obviously have an ulterior motive. Coming from the fight camp that probably has the most infractions in the history of the site comes as no surprise. Also after I hear what members of your camp have said about the mods in your private forums.... yeah the grape vine stretches far... I don't think anyone from your camp has any justification in accusing someone of being childish.

I am insulted any comment like this because I've donated a lot of time and energy into this site and save a few members that have contacted me personally, never get thanked. But rather, I only get accused of abusing my power. Not once have I abused my abilities as a mod and believe me, I have been given the abilities (by the owner) to do almost anything on the site in the forums and the fantasy game. Why? because I am an honest and trustworthy person. Not once has any member contacted me with concerns about my modding unless they were the ones being warned or banned. So tell me again why I shouldn't be insulted by your comments?

I have not had fun on this site since I became a mod. Nobody will debate with me due to the (hollow) fear that I'll ban them, which even the insinuation of that is insulting to me. I have people either insinuating (or outright saying) me (or mods in general) are Nazis when we enforce rules that we do not make, again which is insulting. That's on top of having to deal with peoples shit or problems before I even start surfing the threads. All this and badge too.

As I have said many many times... either people don't read, understand or ignore it because my advice has rarely been followed... if you have a problem with the site contact the site owner and administrator using the "contact us" link on the main site. Calling people out in the forums just comes off as contempt for the people that own/operate/contribute to the site and undermines your putative concern.

Another thing, your accusation of abusive power seems to be baseless considering the only warning on your account is one for fighter bashing that I gave you. I tried to find the comment, but couldn't

Here is what I sent you.

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This is a warning sent for fighter bashing. This is against the forum code of conduct.
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2. Blatant performer bashing (fighters, refs, etc) will not be tolerated. Stating your opinion in a factual, non-profane manner is acceptable. Example: "I don't really like [fighter name]", "I don't agree with the that [referee name] made", etc. Flaming/libel is not acceptable. Example: "[Fighter name] is an utter piece of crap", "F*** [fight promoter]! He/She is a walking turd!", etc.
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Future breaches of forum conduct may result in temp or permanent bans from the forum and possibly the site.

Please contribute to making this site a great place for everyone.

thanks .

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btw I found the comment you made from which I gave you a warning. You called KJ Noons a bitch. I also believe this was after I gave everyone a warning to change their fighter bashing comments and gave them all day to do it. You must have chose not to change yours.

let me start of by saying im not a veteran member iv only been here a while and even i have noticed alot of unnecisery tightining of rules i love the playground and i have only recived one warning (witch i feel was dumb)but i dont care because it was a stupid thread it just wasnt agains any rules and while it was a dumb thread i think the people should have had the choice wheather or not to post on it not a mod who felt it was stupid and decided to delete it now as for political threads i agree that things like that can get out of hand but somtimes smart people say dumb stuff(myself included) and they should be warned or banned for a while depending on the severity but thaats all the action needed i dont personally mind the mods but if there tired of warning and banning people than stop being a mod its ur job to keep things nice and keep these forus clean and fun and informational on whatever topic the people choose when running for president he cant bann a topic that people wanna talk about he must pick a side and speak on it why cuz people chose that topic as an important one this site is here for mma fans and i think that crosses over into politics if i said on a political forum i hate john mccain cuz of the comments he mad about mma they would laugh at me cuz they either feel the oposite way or dont care about an issue like that and lastly i feel that this would be the best mma site out there if people could come on here and have discussions about anything and everything and break sterieo types about mma fans my dad thinks mma is dumb and all fans are idiots who love violence but if i showed him a bunch of guys with fighting gifs for avatars having an intillecual debate over polotics and religion he would shurly think differently


ok my rants over say what ud like about me

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Posted by cmb19932

let me start of by saying im not a veteran member iv only been here a while and even i have noticed alot of unnecisery tightining of rules i love the playground and i have only recived one warning (witch i feel was dumb)but i dont care because it was a stupid thread it just wasnt agains any rules and while it was a dumb thread i think the people should have had the choice wheather or not to post on it not a mod who felt it was stupid and decided to delete it now as for political threads i agree that things like that can get out of hand but somtimes smart people say dumb stuff(myself included) and they should be warned or banned for a while depending on the severity but thaats all the action needed i dont personally mind the mods but if there tired of warning and banning people than stop being a mod its ur job to keep things nice and keep these forus clean and fun and informational on whatever topic the people choose when running for president he cant bann a topic that people wanna talk about he must pick a side and speak on it why cuz people chose that topic as an important one this site is here for mma fans and i think that crosses over into politics if i said on a political forum i hate john mccain cuz of the comments he mad about mma they would laugh at me cuz they either feel the oposite way or dont care about an issue like that and lastly i feel that this would be the best mma site out there if people could come on here and have discussions about anything and everything and break sterieo types about mma fans my dad thinks mma is dumb and all fans are idiots who love violence but if i showed him a bunch of guys with fighting gifs for avatars having an intillecual debate over polotics and religion he would shurly think differently


ok my rants over say what ud like about me

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Wow. Ever head of a full stop lol? That was hard to read all the way through

Every forum that I've EVER visited (and even been a moderator for) has had this same discussion.

"Mods are Nazis!"
"Censorship sucks!"
"Why was my $#*% post deleted?"

Well...as it turns out, everyone here CHOOSES to visit this website. If you can't abide by the rules that are in place, you'll have your posting privelages revoked. If you decide that rules are too much for you, it's YOUR CHOICE to move on and find that ever elusive website that is censor-free, mod-free and rule-free. No one is forcing you to visit this site. No one is forcing you to pay for your Premium Membership. You signed on to the site AND AGREED TO THE RULES so, therefore, you must follow them or face the consequences.

Don't like it? Tough. Do I want to see anyone leave? No. But...if you do, I'm not going to lose sleep over it, personally.

I honestly don't think anyone is asking too much of us. You and I don't have to agree with the rules put in to place but we DO have to abide by them. That's the bottom line, really.

Now...everyone please proceed to visit the Miguel Torres Bandwagon thread.



(cue "Suck Up" and "Mod Nuthugger" comments)

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Posted by emfleek

Every forum that I've EVER visited (and even been a moderator for) has had this same discussion.

"Mods are Nazis!"
"Censorship sucks!"
"Why was my $#*% post deleted?"

Well...as it turns out, everyone here CHOOSES to visit this website. If you can't abide by the rules that are in place, you'll have your posting privelages revoked. If you decide that rules are too much for you, it's YOUR CHOICE to move on and find that ever elusive website that is censor-free, mod-free and rule-free. No one is forcing you to visit this site. No one is forcing you to pay for your Premium Membership. You signed on to the site AND AGREED TO THE RULES so, therefore, you must follow them or face the consequences.

Don't like it? Tough. Do I want to see anyone leave? No. But...if you do, I'm not going to lose sleep over it, personally.

I honestly don't think anyone is asking too much of us. You and I don't have to agree with the rules put in to place but we DO have to abide by them. That's the bottom line, really.

Now...everyone please proceed to visit the Miguel Torres Bandwagon thread.



(cue "Suck Up" and "Mod Nuthugger" comments)

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You're right, except that when I sign on, I was allowed to discuss a lot topics and be part of a community. Now I can't do, it's a privilege that was remove from me for no good reason. So, in that case I will just to stop using those board and paying my premium membership.

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Posted by Evilwig

You're right, except that when I sign on, I was allowed to discuss a lot topics and be part of a community. Now I can't do, it's a privilege that was remove from me for no good reason. So, in that case I will just to stop using those board and paying my premium membership.

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...and that's your choice.

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Posted by emfleek

Every forum that I've EVER visited (and even been a moderator for) has had this same discussion.

"Mods are Nazis!"
"Censorship sucks!"
"Why was my $#*% post deleted?"

Well...as it turns out, everyone here CHOOSES to visit this website. If you can't abide by the rules that are in place, you'll have your posting privelages revoked. If you decide that rules are too much for you, it's YOUR CHOICE to move on and find that ever elusive website that is censor-free, mod-free and rule-free. No one is forcing you to visit this site. No one is forcing you to pay for your Premium Membership. You signed on to the site AND AGREED TO THE RULES so, therefore, you must follow them or face the consequences.

Don't like it? Tough. Do I want to see anyone leave? No. But...if you do, I'm not going to lose sleep over it, personally.

I honestly don't think anyone is asking too much of us. You and I don't have to agree with the rules put in to place but we DO have to abide by them. That's the bottom line, really.

Now...everyone please proceed to visit the Miguel Torres Bandwagon thread.



(cue "Suck Up" and "Mod Nuthugger" comments)

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I kinda agree with this, but you've gotta take people paying for premium memberships into account. I mean, when most of us paid up, we where allowed to discuss whatever we wanted pretty much, now things are just getting taken away every other day. Not that im really fussed about being able to discuss politics or religion, but i mean, the first "hockey talk" thread got abit heated last week, so whats next? no discussing any other sports?

Just my 2 cents. End of the day its up to the mods and Wesker no matter how much we might complain. I can see why people are mad though.

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Posted by Aaronno9

I kinda agree with this, but you've gotta take people paying for premium memberships into account. I mean, when most of us paid up, we where allowed to discuss whatever we wanted pretty much, now things are just getting taken away every other day. Not that im really fussed about being able to discuss politics or religion, but i mean, the first "hockey talk" thread got abit heated last week, so whats next? no discussing any other sports?

Just my 2 cents. End of the day its up to the mods and Wesker no matter how much we might complain. I can see why people are mad though.

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I agree. You have to take in to account those who have premium memberships. However, since different people signed up for their premium memberships at different times, they're not all going to expire at the same time. Therefore, there would be no "window" of downtime in order to put new rules and regulations in to place.

On the flipside of that, you also have to consider POTENTIAL premium users. You really can't blame the mods/owner for wanting to give the site some curb appeal (minimal arguing, bitching, cryassing, fighting, etc.)

Rules just have to be made, put in to place, and left at that. As much as it sucks, it's impossible to please everyone.

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Posted by emfleek
Rules just have to be made, put in to place, and left at that. As much as it sucks, it's impossible to please everyone.

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Maybe they could just try passing out cookie and lollipops. That always pleases me.

have a feeling this whole thread is moot. doubt its gonna change but now that ive cooled off with no warnings haha I just deal... If im sooo desperate to talk politics i guess I can go elsewhere. Ill lay this topic to rest as long as it doesnt get super nit-picky, warning people about stupid stuff like dancing Obama .gifs and harmless stuff like that...

I have no problem when members voice their concerns. For the most part this has been civil. If someone wants to PM me their concerns about something, please feel free to do it. What people have to say here is taken into consideration. So don't think this thread is a moot point. It isn't

Wow! I'v been away for a few weeks and all hell has broken loose! Come on guys wheres the love? Wheres the friendship? Wheres the soft gentle kissing of the back of another mans neck while we talk fights?!

Anyone, everyone I invite you to it out and move on.
The mod'ing on this site is great no one can argue that. People who should have been banned have been given second, third and even forth chances. I don't understand why all of a sudden its a us vs them thing? People have got to think of the work the mods do to keep this site going. We all log on talk about fights, talk about whatever and sometimes get drawn into stupid arguments, then we log off go get a beer put some tv on an maybe if you're alone light a candle and have some special time . The mods have got to log on filter through piles of crap left by retards, wright out warnings, alter or remove posts, do whatever else they do make a few posts and then they get to grab a beer, relax and maybe light a candle flick on the mowtown and have some special time.

They do a lot and I'v only recently realized just how much. Give them a break, they were and still are great posters before they turned to the mod side and its a shame they don't get the time to post as much now. I sure as hell wouldn't do what they do for free! Its basically a part-time job.

Yeah it kind of sucks we can't talk politics or religion anymore but from what I'v read the majority of the mods are trying to find a way round this. We can still talk fights and i'd say 85% of the time thats what we do.
If the site owners say no politics theirs nothing they can do, people openly bitching about it is just reinforcing all the reasons why the subjects got banned in the first place.
I say keep it civil and hopefully we'll be able to discuss it in the future once it's all sorted out. If not then it's not a massive loss.
I know I'm going on but I haven't posted in a while so I thought I'd make it a long one.
Anyway here's hoping it all gets sorted out an as of next week I'll be annoying the crap out of you again!

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Posted by zephead

I have no problem when members voice their concerns. For the most part this has been civil. If someone wants to PM me their concerns about something, please feel free to do it. What people have to say here is taken into consideration. So don't think this thread is a moot point. It isn't

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Thanks man. all good in the hood here

I answered this already. here is a paste of it.

Read the forum rules. Rule # 1 alone explains it all. Certain topics ALWAYS lead to crap . We clean it up, and you probably don't see it all, but the constant edits, warnings, bans, are past getting old. Anything that repeatedly leads to people breaking the forum rules, especially when its not even mma related , is pointless here to me.There are just too many people that are on either ideological side , that have no intention of having a discussion. they just want to parrot, spin, and push their side. Its pointless. If you really feel the need to discuss these topics over the internet, I suggest you try a political site.


I you have a problem e-mail me. Avoid thread attacking us. I e-mailed Seanfu back this very same thing, then thought I should paste it for all . I didn't even know about this thread till I read bout it in the mod forum. Here is forum rule # 16



16. If you have a problem, correction, or suggestion please contact the ADMIN. Starting a thread designed to attack a moderator or anyone else who runs the site is rude and counterproductive. Insulting the people in charge won't help your cause. The moderators work here for free, because they care about this site and are devoted mixed martial arts fans. They are also humans who have feelings, and are bound to make mistakes from time to time. Trying to embarrass them when they spend a lot of unpaid time making this site habitable for all is a fruitless activity. Starting threads about banned members and attacking the sites moderators for banning them on the open forums is also prohibited; let bygones be bygones.

So its either we keep banning the political threads or ban a whole lot more people. I prefer to keep the members ,if it doesn't ruin our forums. This keeps more people in the game. Which is what the site is actually about. Agree to disagree with those who don't like it, but thats the way it is. End of thread
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