8 reasons why Anderson Silva will crush Rich Franklin

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ChokeUout
9/28/07 2:50:38AM
Sorry Guys...I know there's lots of Franklin fans here. Hell, I'm one of them. But I'm also a Silva Fan. So I'm Gonna be completely honest and give you the brutal, Honest Truth...

Franklin better get the plastic surgeon on speed dial for this fight.

Here's Why:

1) Franklin is a great kickboxer. However, he's far from a crisp striker. The way he delivers his punches, with that big awkward style, you see them coming from a mile away. Somebody with Silva's footspeed will react WAY too quickly to get knocked out by Franklin.

2) Anderson is a great kickboxer as well. THe difference here is ANderson is MUCH more technical then Rich is. Also, Anderson has Pin-point accuracy. Not to mention, Anderson's Technique is SO good that he's able to fire off shots that aren't only fast, one after the other, but they are POWERFUL. He hit marquart with 2 punches while they were standing. One staggered Nate, the other Dropped him.

3) ANderson's Kickboxing isn't even the best Aspect of his Stand up Game. That would be his World Class Muy Thai. Silva arguably has the best muy thai of anyone in MMA (again, arguably). I'm not just talking about those Knees that knocked Rich out the first time, but his elbows and his kicks, both high AND low.

4) If this fight goes to the Ground, Silva's jiu-jitsu is MUCH better than Rich's. Now, Franklin's got good jiu-jitso. Jorge Grugel Has done a great job coaching him in this aspect, and that was evident in the way he escaped that kimura against Okami. That being said, Silva's not only got a Black belt, but he's got a black belt from Nogueria, one fo the best grapplers in the world. He pulled off that Triangle against Lutter, a world class grappler, and he did it with TWO bad knees. Plus, when he was on his back against MArquart, Marquart was unable to mount ANYTHING against Silva, and Marquart is significantly better on the ground than Franklin.

5) Rich Franklin Has a weak Chin. There, I said it. If you look at the Evan Tanner fight, the Louiseau fight, and of course, the silva fight, you'll see that if you hit Franklin square on the Jaw, there's a good chance he's going down. Not alot of people are able to hit it, but best believe Silva will.

6) RIch Franklin doesn't have the style to beat Silva. The Style to beat Silva is Excellent Wrestling, Possessed by someone like Dan Henderson or Matt Hughes. Now, Rich Isn't a bad wrestler, but It's gonna take more than the Wrestling ability than Rich Possesses to take Anderson down. (Yes, I'm aware of the lutter fight, but again, Silva had surguery on BOTH KNEES before than fight, so of course he was easier to take down). RIch Did toss around louiseau Around like a rag doll, but Louiseau's no Silva. Plus, SIlva's got a great guard. if the fight goes to the ground, Franklin aint passing it.

7) ANDERSON SILVA HAS NEVER BEEN KNOCKED OUT. That's what Franklin is more than likely going to try to do, but the fact silva's never been KO'd demonstates two things: One, He's got a good chin, and Two, If you Try to KO him, he's gonna KO you first.

8) The Pressure is on Franklin, not Silva. Now, I believe Franklin is Mentally Strong, but fighting in your home town against the guy who Destroyed you to take you Belt away has got to be in RIch's head. Plus, this is Rich's last shot so to speak. If Silva beats him again, Franklin won't get another title shot till Silva gets beat. And WHo's gonna do that if Franklin Can't?

There you Have it. Sorry this is So long, but I've seen alot of short, one sentance post like "Rich Will win, I love him" and "Silva will Destroy Franklin". So this was Basically to not only Give my opinion, but say WHY it will happen.

Thoughts? Holla back. Now, My Fingers are sore from typing, so I'mma go soak my hands in epsom salt or something
BerndRealBad
9/28/07 4:00:13AM

If Silva beats him again, Franklin won't get another title shot till Silva gets beat. And WHo's gonna do that if Franklin Can't?


You mentioned him before, Dan Henderson. That is, of course, if Henderson wants to drop down in weight.
thepunisher
9/28/07 7:20:07AM
DangerousDjohn
9/28/07 8:00:38AM
Bravo...once again I love Rich, but Anderson is the man. I agree with all your reasons.
NatedawgThaM
9/28/07 9:09:20AM

Posted by ChokeUout

Sorry Guys...I know there's lots of Franklin fans here. Hell, I'm one of them. But I'm also a Silva Fan. So I'm Gonna be completely honest and give you the brutal, Honest Truth...

Franklin better get the plastic surgeon on speed dial for this fight.

Here's Why:

1) Franklin is a great kickboxer. However, he's far from a crisp striker. The way he delivers his punches, with that big awkward style, you see them coming from a mile away. Somebody with Silva's footspeed will react WAY too quickly to get knocked out by Franklin.

2) Anderson is a great kickboxer as well. THe difference here is ANderson is MUCH more technical then Rich is. Also, Anderson has Pin-point accuracy. Not to mention, Anderson's Technique is SO good that he's able to fire off shots that aren't only fast, one after the other, but they are POWERFUL. He hit marquart with 2 punches while they were standing. One staggered Nate, the other Dropped him.

3) ANderson's Kickboxing isn't even the best Aspect of his Stand up Game. That would be his World Class Muy Thai. Silva arguably has the best muy thai of anyone in MMA (again, arguably). I'm not just talking about those Knees that knocked Rich out the first time, but his elbows and his kicks, both high AND low.

4) If this fight goes to the Ground, Silva's jiu-jitsu is MUCH better than Rich's. Now, Franklin's got good jiu-jitso. Jorge Grugel Has done a great job coaching him in this aspect, and that was evident in the way he escaped that kimura against Okami. That being said, Silva's not only got a Black belt, but he's got a black belt from Nogueria, one fo the best grapplers in the world. He pulled off that Triangle against Lutter, a world class grappler, and he did it with TWO bad knees. Plus, when he was on his back against MArquart, Marquart was unable to mount ANYTHING against Silva, and Marquart is significantly better on the ground than Franklin.

5) Rich Franklin Has a weak Chin. There, I said it. If you look at the Evan Tanner fight, the Louiseau fight, and of course, the silva fight, you'll see that if you hit Franklin square on the Jaw, there's a good chance he's going down. Not alot of people are able to hit it, but best believe Silva will.

6) RIch Franklin doesn't have the style to beat Silva. The Style to beat Silva is Excellent Wrestling, Possessed by someone like Dan Henderson or Matt Hughes. Now, Rich Isn't a bad wrestler, but It's gonna take more than the Wrestling ability than Rich Possesses to take Anderson down. (Yes, I'm aware of the lutter fight, but again, Silva had surguery on BOTH KNEES before than fight, so of course he was easier to take down). RIch Did toss around louiseau Around like a rag doll, but Louiseau's no Silva. Plus, SIlva's got a great guard. if the fight goes to the ground, Franklin aint passing it.

7) ANDERSON SILVA HAS NEVER BEEN KNOCKED OUT. That's what Franklin is more than likely going to try to do, but the fact silva's never been KO'd demonstates two things: One, He's got a good chin, and Two, If you Try to KO him, he's gonna KO you first.

8) The Pressure is on Franklin, not Silva. Now, I believe Franklin is Mentally Strong, but fighting in your home town against the guy who Destroyed you to take you Belt away has got to be in RIch's head. Plus, this is Rich's last shot so to speak. If Silva beats him again, Franklin won't get another title shot till Silva gets beat. And WHo's gonna do that if Franklin Can't?



GREAT REASONS!!! PROPS!!!!! I AGREED WITH EVERYTHING 100%!!!! 100% Pin Point Accuracy like Andersons STRIKES!!!

The only thing I have to dispute is that "Rich has a weak chin and if you hit him on it he will go down". Dude that's the same rule with 80% of MMA fighters...

Plus the only way Rich can beat him is if any of you saw the lutter fight when lutter had him mounted he did a HORRIBLE job blocking the punches. He kept his hands up mummy style which looked ridiculous. Rich does have a chance because Anderson will come out with a flying knee of course and if Rich can catch it and bring him down and get in that same position lutter had him in he will finish it but if that don't happen, Rich is F U C K E D!!!!
MMA
9/28/07 9:25:13AM
It's really funny because if Lutter had made weight, he would have had a great chance at winning the title. That transition from the mount to the armbar was horrible and I still can't believe Lutter got caught in that triangle.
wagere
9/28/07 9:30:35AM
I agree with alot of this but, I don't think Silva is better than Rich on the ground, Rich has 9 subs compared to Silvas 3. Two of Silvas 4 losses have come by sub.
CornishMMA
9/28/07 10:08:07AM
The ONLY way Rich has to win is via LnP tbh, im sure he can take Silva down easy enough but while he cant sub him and shouldnt try he could just keep him there with minimal GnP and win a decision, very unlikely tho as im sure Rich will see that as pussing out in front of his hometown fans who would also voice their displeasure with a LnP fight
tuvok500
9/28/07 10:10:39AM
i agree with your argument, i was thinking myself that only dan anderson would be able to beat silva, and i see that i am not alone !!

franklin is a good fighter , a great guy, but this is not a beauty contest and silva will not stike him with flower !!

D0wnUnd6e6r
9/28/07 10:10:56AM

Posted by MMA

It's really funny because if Lutter had made weight, he would have had a great chance at winning the title. That transition from the mount to the armbar was horrible and I still can't believe Lutter got caught in that triangle.



THANK YOU! i thought i was alone thinking that
fullerene
9/28/07 11:03:48AM
Not a bad list and I would favor Silva, but Franklin has a very legit chance. Some things he has going for him:

* Size
* Wreslting/strength....he should be able to take top position most of the time on the ground, surprised he didn't do better in breaking the plum (clinch) though
* Great conditioning (Silva's hasn't been tested over 5 rounds yet)
* Trains with a variety of the top camps (Meat Truck, Gurgel, MFS)
* Strong ground game. Probably better and at least on the same level as Silva's. Franklin has never been submitted and has 10 sub victories. I don't think Silva has any victories by (grappling) submissions and he's been caught himself a couple of times. I wouldn't put too much weight on a belt since that rewards people who train at formal schools with a gi. I know that Franklin was a talented blue belt almost 10 years ago...I think he could have easily made black belt if that is the direction his training took him.


He's also a championship level fighter who's had a lot of big matches. Silva has too, but this won't be a case of a green contender stepping up for the first time.
JWils
9/28/07 11:30:56AM

Posted by fullerene

Not a bad list and I would favor Silva, but Franklin has a very legit chance. Some things he has going for him:

* Size
* Wreslting/strength....he should be able to take top position most of the time on the ground, surprised he didn't do better in breaking the plum (clinch) though
* Great conditioning (Silva's hasn't been tested over 5 rounds yet)
* Trains with a variety of the top camps (Meat Truck, Gurgel, MFS)
* Strong ground game. Probably better and at least on the same level as Silva's. Franklin has never been submitted and has 10 sub victories. I don't think Silva has any victories by (grappling) submissions and he's been caught himself a couple of times. I wouldn't put too much weight on a belt since that rewards people who train at formal schools with a gi. I know that Franklin was a talented blue belt almost 10 years ago...I think he could have easily made black belt if that is the direction his training took him.


He's also a championship level fighter who's had a lot of big matches. Silva has too, but this won't be a case of a green contender stepping up for the first time.



Good points, but I'm concerned that Franklin will take to much damage in the clinch when he goes for his takedowns to take advantage of his superior size and strength. If Franklin can minimize the damage he takes while setting up his takedowns he has a good chance in this fight. 25 minutes is a long time not to get caught by a striker like Silva.
fullerene
9/28/07 11:39:20AM

Posted by JWils

Good points, but I'm concerned that Franklin will take to much damage in the clinch when he goes for his takedowns to take advantage of his superior size and strength. If Franklin can minimize the damage he takes while setting up his takedowns he has a good chance in this fight. 25 minutes is a long time not to get caught by a striker like Silva.


I agree. Silva has the ability--almost more than anyone in MMA--to finish a fight suddenly. And you're right, it's tough to be methodical for a long fight and avoid that ability to finish when you fight him. I was just pointing out that Franklin should really be no worse than having a 40/60 shot against any MW in the world given what he brings to the table...but I'd give the "60" to Silva in this case.
JWils
9/28/07 12:23:59PM

Posted by fullerene


Posted by JWils

Good points, but I'm concerned that Franklin will take to much damage in the clinch when he goes for his takedowns to take advantage of his superior size and strength. If Franklin can minimize the damage he takes while setting up his takedowns he has a good chance in this fight. 25 minutes is a long time not to get caught by a striker like Silva.


I agree. Silva has the ability--almost more than anyone in MMA--to finish a fight suddenly. And you're right, it's tough to be methodical for a long fight and avoid that ability to finish when you fight him. I was just pointing out that Franklin should really be no worse than having a 40/60 shot against any MW in the world given what he brings to the table...but I'd give the "60" to Silva in this case.



Another thing is that Franklin can NOT be hestiant to close the distance on Silva to get him to the ground. If he still has the last fight in his mind, he might not be to excited about even getting into the clinch with Silva. That will lead to a bunch of jabs and more time on the feet. Which will give Silva more time to catch him. Of course, Franklin is not a can on his feet and could catch Silva but I think everyone agrees it would a shock to see Rich out "bang" The Spider.

Franklin has to fight a near perfect fight to beat Silva, IMO. I would say Silva is a 70/30 favorite.

cowcatcher
9/28/07 12:34:09PM
another advantage i see silva having is that im not sure rich can get a takedown, or wants to try, by shooting a single(maybe not a double either), he knows how dangerous those knees are. so basically its going to have to go to the clinch before the TD attempt and im sure thats in rich's head a little as well.
DurtbagJones
9/28/07 12:38:09PM
I agree , for the most part, with all your points, but I think I heard most of all the same points before the Shogun-Forrest fight. The only difference is Silva already KO'ed him once. Anything can happen, you also cant count out the homefield advantage.
johny_rotten
9/28/07 1:42:21PM

Posted by wagere

I agree with alot of this but, I don't think Silva is better than Rich on the ground, Rich has 9 subs compared to Silvas 3. Two of Silvas 4 losses have come by sub.



This form of MMAth is just as flawed as every other type. Anderson perfers to stand, and KO guys. Rich does to, but there is a differint. While Rich is a good stand up fighter Anderson is a spectacular stand up fighter. Rich has been hurt on his feet, or out classed on his feet, so he had to take it to the ground to win the fight. I can't think of anyone in MMA moreless 185lbs that can out class Anderson on their feet. That gives Rich an advantage as far as winning by submission.

Franklin has his advantages on the ground over Anderson. I think he is much better wrestler, and much better at GNP. On the other hand Anderson's BJJ , and his ability to hold people at bay and/or escape the ground is is much better than Rich's. I don't think Rich can win on the ground because this is a 5 round fight. There is no way he can keep Anderson on his back for 5 rounds, and he doesn't have the ability to finish him.
fullerene
9/28/07 1:58:33PM
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wagere
9/28/07 2:40:38PM

Posted by johny_rotten


Posted by wagere

I agree with alot of this but, I don't think Silva is better than Rich on the ground, Rich has 9 subs compared to Silvas 3. Two of Silvas 4 losses have come by sub.



This form of MMAth is just as flawed as every other type. Anderson perfers to stand, and KO guys. Rich does to, but there is a differint. While Rich is a good stand up fighter Anderson is a spectacular stand up fighter. Rich has been hurt on his feet, or out classed on his feet, so he had to take it to the ground to win the fight. I can't think of anyone in MMA moreless 185lbs that can out class Anderson on their feet. That gives Rich an advantage as far as winning by submission.

Franklin has his advantages on the ground over Anderson. I think he is much better wrestler, and much better at GNP. On the other hand Anderson's BJJ , and his ability to hold people at bay and/or escape the ground is is much better than Rich's. I don't think Rich can win on the ground because this is a 5 round fight. There is no way he can keep Anderson on his back for 5 rounds, and he doesn't have the ability to finish him.

I really dont think silvas BJJ is better than Richs. Just because Rich has does not have black belt really dont mean much seems like theres a diffrence in BJJ and MMA BJJ.
MMAFever
9/28/07 5:19:35PM

Posted by ChokeUout

5) Rich Franklin Has a weak Chin. There, I said it. If you look at the Evan Tanner fight, the Louiseau fight, and of course, the silva fight, you'll see that if you hit Franklin square on the Jaw, there's a good chance he's going down. Not alot of people are able to hit it, but best believe Silva will.




After watching the Marquardt fight against Silva, I am a firm beleiver that Silva will KO Frankiln so #5 has a lot of merit to it as the possible outcome to the fight.

I anticipate a striking match for the most part to make Rich comfortable to the point where The Spider will pounce on the fly with a perfectly timed shot to the chin.

Rich is a good, grity fighter so this fight shouldn't disappoint MMA fans at all.
CrackerFace85
9/28/07 6:11:12PM
very good points, but rich is smart NO MORE CLINCH, i think rich takes the fight down, and ground and pounds his way back to the title that was brutily takin from him,,,,,,,,BUT,,, silva has a good ground game off the back, franklin must watch for the upkicks and the long limbs of silva, if he does that there will be a new champ 4shur...
HulkRage
9/28/07 11:25:33PM
Anderson is going to crush Rich again. I think Hendo will get crushed by Anderson also if he drops.

I would like to see a Lutter vs Franklin
Pitbull09
9/28/07 11:26:38PM
EIther a huge Silva fan or a Franklin hater, either way your underestimating this fights potnetial
ChokeUout
9/29/07 4:08:01AM

Posted by Pitbull09

EIther a huge Silva fan or a Franklin hater, either way your underestimating this fights potnetial



Read the beginning of my first post again

Yes, I'm a silva fan, but I made the 700 mile trip to UFC 68 just to see Rich Franklin fight and rocked my Rich Franklin American Fighter Tee, And I was cheering as loud as anyone when McDonald's Corner threw in the towel. (I was one of the lucky ones who got tickets before couture/sylvia was announced, so I got them before the priced doubled, haha.)

I'm not a "hater" of anyone, ESPECIALLY Rich Franklin. I can even apprieciate fighters who I DON'T like as long as they show skill, ala Josh Koscheck.

And I fully understand this fight's potential. I think Franklin is gonna give it all he has, but I don't think it'll be enough. I was prepared for people saying I'm a "Silva nut hugger" or a "Franklin Hater", that's why I went into as much detail as I could. I expect Franklin to put on a better show than at UFC 64, But yes, I believe silva will win in very convincing fashion. Just so happens I have 8 reasons why I think Silva will win, and I decided to share them.

From here on out, please save you abrupt and inaccurate judgements. Saying "EIther a huge Silva fan or a Franklin hater, either way your underestimating this fights potnetial"? Gimme a break.

Do you see me calling you "Either a Franklin DIckrider or a SIlva hater, so either way you have you head so far up your ass that your Incapable of seeing what's likely to happen"? No! Everyone has their opinion. I respect yours. Respect mine. Don't Insult my intelligence by saying I'm underestimating this fight's potential. I've been waiting for this fight for months. Hell, me and my buddy have talked about this fight for hours. He's Picking Franklin, I'm picking Silva. We respect each other's opinion. Try to follow suit. If you disagree, cool, share with us. But try to show intelligence and common sense when you do so.

Out
d_block07
9/29/07 5:15:35PM
look at the lutter fight, silva has poor TD defense, i know the whole knee surgery thing but still rich can put him on his back
cmill21
9/29/07 5:29:46PM

Posted by d_block07

look at the lutter fight, silva has poor TD defense, i know the whole knee surgery thing but still rich can put him on his back



Yeah but he's got really good submissions, that triangle was very well exicuted. He's also very long so he can put you in body triangles, and get his legs around your head easily. He's also very very tough, so rich will have to unleash a ton of punishment to hurt silva. I think this will be another bad night for rich.
ChokeUout
9/29/07 7:45:36PM
DO we know rich can put him on his back? Every talks about the Lutter fight, but this is what it was: A dehydrated Lutter again a silva with TWO freshly Sugerically Repaired Knees. Of course anderson isn't gonna be as fast with those knees like that, as as such, he got taken down. That being said, even WITH those knees, he got that triangle against a world class grappler. Held in the triangle for a minute and a hlaf, WITH those knees, mind you.

That being said, It's to be seen whether Rich CAN get silva down. Rich has good wrestling, but it's not what he's known for. Plus, Rich has become primarily a stand up fighter and doesn't try for take downs alot. I agree, that's his best chance to win, but who knows if he can do it, or if he'll even try.

If Rich can pull this fight off, cool, more power to him. But I, for one, am not seeing it.
BerndRealBad
9/30/07 2:27:46AM

Posted by wagere

I agree with alot of this but, I don't think Silva is better than Rich on the ground, Rich has 9 subs compared to Silvas 3. Two of Silvas 4 losses have come by sub.



If you look at those 9 subs, 4 of them were due to strikes, something which anderson silva can easily accomplish, so I would say its more like 5 to 3. Still though, Silva subbed one of the best BJJ guys in MMA from his guard. Franklin can't say that he did that.
johny_rotten
9/30/07 11:45:12AM

Posted by wagere


Posted by johny_rotten


Posted by wagere

I agree with alot of this but, I don't think Silva is better than Rich on the ground, Rich has 9 subs compared to Silvas 3. Two of Silvas 4 losses have come by sub.



This form of MMAth is just as flawed as every other type. Anderson perfers to stand, and KO guys. Rich does to, but there is a differint. While Rich is a good stand up fighter Anderson is a spectacular stand up fighter. Rich has been hurt on his feet, or out classed on his feet, so he had to take it to the ground to win the fight. I can't think of anyone in MMA moreless 185lbs that can out class Anderson on their feet. That gives Rich an advantage as far as winning by submission.

Franklin has his advantages on the ground over Anderson. I think he is much better wrestler, and much better at GNP. On the other hand Anderson's BJJ , and his ability to hold people at bay and/or escape the ground is is much better than Rich's. I don't think Rich can win on the ground because this is a 5 round fight. There is no way he can keep Anderson on his back for 5 rounds, and he doesn't have the ability to finish him.

I really dont think silvas BJJ is better than Richs. Just because Rich has does not have black belt really dont mean much seems like theres a diffrence in BJJ and MMA BJJ.



I know I am going out on huge limb saying Anderson has better BJJ since he HAS a black belt, and Rich doesn't. Anderson's training partners include the Nog brothers, Vitor, Carlos Barreto, and Lyoto who all have black belts while Rich trains with Gurgel.

Again looking at records means nothing. Watch the two of them fight, and see who has a more dangerous ground game. If you watch the fights you will realize that Rich's only submission that has any merrit was his arm bar he landed on a broken down Rivera in the 3rd round.
fullerene
10/1/07 8:02:35AM
^ If you think a belt means more than what someone actually does in competition you've drunk the martial arts Kool Aid. There's no universal testing standard for belts and even the better known schools tend to favor guys who are Brazilian and who work with the gi. If all Rich wanted was a black belt he'd have it easily, instead he's been focusing on MMA and submissions that work in that arena and that's been efffective. Silva has been submitted by guys who weren't black belts before

Like I said earlier, I've seen Rich as a blue belt almost 10 years ago...and this is a guy with a great work ethic and tons of athletic ability. He's going to school most guys who "have a black belt" unless they've competed extensively in submission tournaments.
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