10 reasons you should be afraid of Shinya Aoki

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Jackelope
12/31/08 9:17:42PM
Aoki being the dog got me on the top earner list for this last event
jiujitsufreak74
12/31/08 9:17:43PM

Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r


Posted by jiujitsufreak74


Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r

His deadly staying on his ass until getting a hold of one of your limbs technique.



well did it work?

the answer: yes it did.




Not saying it didin't work... just saying I do not like that strategy à la nick serra one bit. Oh and i'm pretty sure he wouldn't fare well in the UFC with that either.



no, not like nick serra at all. Serra didn't want to engage, Soki was scooting towards Alvarez. it is a good technique to use when you have the ground advantage and you do not want to take punishment. he was stalkin Eddie down, not at all like Serra.
D0wnUnd6e6r
12/31/08 9:26:27PM
I was saying à la nick serra not like nick serra. meaning it kinda looked like what serra did. I get what you saying but lol it's kinda funny to say he was stalking alvarez from the ground no? lol.
Wolfenstein
1/1/09 3:45:16AM

Posted by Jackelope

Aoki being the dog got me on the top earner list for this last event



And Tamura got me there...very nice, high five!






gsquat
1/1/09 10:11:52AM
I'm watching that Borat gif with Bee gee's playing here in the background. Its quite appropriate.

Aoki is wicked bad and would go a long way in the UFC. Even doing the crab walk.
tuvok500
1/1/09 11:23:40AM

Posted by gsquat

I'm watching that Borat gif with Bee gee's playing here in the background. Its quite appropriate.

Aoki is wicked bad and would go a long way in the UFC. Even doing the crab walk.



I would say that Aoki would get kill in the UFC !!

gsquat
1/1/09 11:58:35AM
I might have said the same before the Alvarez fight. But if he's quick enough to take hold of a guy like Alvarez and submit him like he did, there's few that could stop him in the UFC. I guess I just hold Alvarez in very high regard. I see Eddie going far in into the UFC's LW division and Aoki going a little farther. I understand one-dimensional fighters don't typically fare well, but I think he'd win way more often than not. Could he beat BJ... no way. But many onther top contenders, yes.
D0wnUnd6e6r
1/1/09 12:38:41PM

Posted by gsquat

I might have said the same before the Alvarez fight. But if he's quick enough to take hold of a guy like Alvarez and submit him like he did, there's few that could stop him in the UFC. I guess I just hold Alvarez in very high regard. I see Eddie going far in into the UFC's LW division and Aoki going a little farther. I understand one-dimensional fighters don't typically fare well, but I think he'd win way more often than not. Could he beat BJ... no way. But many onther top contenders, yes.



you would be right if alvarez was considered as UFC caliber... wich IMO and a lot of people's opinion is not. No attempt what so ever to get out of that sub, tried to half assed reverse it...
MikeyG
1/1/09 1:53:05PM
If Aoki develops a chin and at least decent striking I might give him a chance at beating BJ otherwise no hes not #1, imo Florian beats him badly as well, Sherk could probably nulfiy him with his wrestling and I would definatly pick JZ and Hellboy to beat him again, he's deserves a top 5 spot though. He's #4 or #5.
cmill21
1/1/09 3:43:34PM

Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r


you would be right if alvarez was considered as UFC caliber... wich IMO and a lot of people's opinion is not. No attempt what so ever to get out of that sub, tried to half assed reverse it...



Before that fight I recall most of this site viewing Eddie as the #2 LW. It's not like getting out of your sisters ankle locks, Aoki's got a bit more experience and if he gets it, thats probably it.
jiujitsufreak74
1/1/09 4:24:18PM

Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r


Posted by gsquat

I might have said the same before the Alvarez fight. But if he's quick enough to take hold of a guy like Alvarez and submit him like he did, there's few that could stop him in the UFC. I guess I just hold Alvarez in very high regard. I see Eddie going far in into the UFC's LW division and Aoki going a little farther. I understand one-dimensional fighters don't typically fare well, but I think he'd win way more often than not. Could he beat BJ... no way. But many onther top contenders, yes.



you would be right if alvarez was considered as UFC caliber... wich IMO and a lot of people's opinion is not. No attempt what so ever to get out of that sub, tried to half assed reverse it...



imo, the UFC LW division isn't as food as the rest of the LW's out there. the wrestlers that make up the UFC LW division would get worked over and subbed against Aoki. have you ever been it a tight ankle lock? if you have then you would know that your statement is ridiculous.
EvenFlow
1/1/09 4:53:02PM

Posted by jiujitsufreak74


Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r


Posted by gsquat

I might have said the same before the Alvarez fight. But if he's quick enough to take hold of a guy like Alvarez and submit him like he did, there's few that could stop him in the UFC. I guess I just hold Alvarez in very high regard. I see Eddie going far in into the UFC's LW division and Aoki going a little farther. I understand one-dimensional fighters don't typically fare well, but I think he'd win way more often than not. Could he beat BJ... no way. But many onther top contenders, yes.



you would be right if alvarez was considered as UFC caliber... wich IMO and a lot of people's opinion is not. No attempt what so ever to get out of that sub, tried to half assed reverse it...



imo, the UFC LW division isn't as food as the rest of the LW's out there. the wrestlers that make up the UFC LW division would get worked over and subbed against Aoki. have you ever been it a tight ankle lock? if you have then you would know that your statement is ridiculous.



I would bet big that he wouldnt beat or sub BJ, Sherk, the two best at avoiding subs and the two best lightweights in the world, anyone who has great wrestling/TD, sub defense and has at least good standup and power will beat Aoki. His glaring weakness is his striking and if he dosnt improve he will end up out of the top 10 soon, strictly jiu jitsu dosnt get you to the top anymore this is 2009 not 1993. If he's #1 than Mousasi is #1, it's just not true.
jiujitsufreak74
1/1/09 7:36:15PM

Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by jiujitsufreak74


Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r


Posted by gsquat

I might have said the same before the Alvarez fight. But if he's quick enough to take hold of a guy like Alvarez and submit him like he did, there's few that could stop him in the UFC. I guess I just hold Alvarez in very high regard. I see Eddie going far in into the UFC's LW division and Aoki going a little farther. I understand one-dimensional fighters don't typically fare well, but I think he'd win way more often than not. Could he beat BJ... no way. But many onther top contenders, yes.



you would be right if alvarez was considered as UFC caliber... wich IMO and a lot of people's opinion is not. No attempt what so ever to get out of that sub, tried to half assed reverse it...



imo, the UFC LW division isn't as food as the rest of the LW's out there. the wrestlers that make up the UFC LW division would get worked over and subbed against Aoki. have you ever been it a tight ankle lock? if you have then you would know that your statement is ridiculous.



I would bet big that he wouldnt beat or sub BJ, Sherk, the two best at avoiding subs and the two best lightweights in the world, anyone who has great wrestling/TD, sub defense and has at least good standup and power will beat Aoki. His glaring weakness is his striking and if he dosnt improve he will end up out of the top 10 soon, strictly jiu jitsu dosnt get you to the top anymore this is 2009 not 1993. If he's #1 than Mousasi is #1, it's just not true.



but that's why i love Aoki, he is the exception to that rule. i am not sayin g hie is #1 or that he will beat BJ, but i would bet big money he would submit Sherk a lot easier than you think.
D0wnUnd6e6r
1/1/09 8:06:50PM
whaaaaa?!?! i cant believe what im seeing, are you serious??? anyways aight i guess we just have to wait t'ill all this we're talking about actually happens in the UFC... for the mean time let's agree that we strongly disagree lol. and yes in my 3 years of fighting ive been subbed by anklelocks
Wolfenstein
1/1/09 10:05:52PM
It was great submission, and it showed a definete weakness is Alvarez's game, because I don't think a BB would have gotten caught with that heel hook.

He just looked confused trying to pull his foot out instead of defending properly. He rolled with it, but never attempted to jam his foot behind his heel (the one caught between Aoki's armpit) and then quickly remove his foot and push on Aoki's elbow. I knew he was finished when he didn't swing his leg over to defend.

I still think he's a top 5 WW, but he has some work to do on submission defense. Much props to Aoki.

I don't think anyone will ever submit Sean Sherk. He has no neck and his arms are proportioned like a T-Rex. I've never even seen him on the verge of being submitted.
jiujitsufreak74
1/1/09 10:53:23PM

Posted by Wolfenstein

It was great submission, and it showed a definete weakness is Alvarez's game, because I don't think a BB would have gotten caught with that heel hook.

He just looked confused trying to pull his foot out instead of defending properly. He rolled with it, but never attempted to jam his foot behind his heel (the one caught between Aoki's armpit) and then quickly remove his foot and push on Aoki's elbow. I knew he was finished when he didn't swing his leg over to defend.

I still think he's a top 5 WW, but he has some work to do on submission defense. Much props to Aoki.

I don't think anyone will ever submit Sean Sherk. He has no neck and his arms are proportioned like a T-Rex. I've never even seen him on the verge of being submitted.



Sherk has also never faced anyone with the gorund ability of Aoki...besides BJ, and in that fight BJ wanted to out-box him.
Wolfenstein
1/1/09 11:30:33PM
Very true, it would be the best submission specialist Sherk has faced. I never want to say "never" especially in MMA, but if I were a betting man (which I am) I wouldn't wager on anyone submitting Sean. Heres Franca and Nick Diaz could do absolutely nothing with Sherk, and while their ground game isn't at the level of Aoki, they are still amongst the most dangerous of their back.

I would like to see how Sherk would defend against a solid rubber guard, but I'm of the theory that it would never get there (at least in a cage), in the ring it might be a little more even with less room for Sherk to create space and keep Aoki from latching on.

I like Aoki, especially after his grapping match with Roger, but for some reason I constantly pick against him, with the theory that he'll crumble if he takes one clean flush shot, but it seems like no one can ever do it lol!

If Aoki were to sign with the UFC right now, and match up with Sherk, I think Aoki would come in as a 1 to 3 dog, and I think that's accurate. It would also probably be the best wrestler Aoki has faced as well as the best sub defense, outside of possibly Geias Cavalcanti.

Either way a great matchup of styles I would love to see.
Pookie
1/2/09 12:55:48AM
I think people have always underestimated Aoki's ability to take it to the ground, yes his shot is average at best, but he uses his judo background well to trip and hop onto people, shit half the time he doesnt even have to get you on the ground to employ his ridiculous bjj grappling skills.
jiujitsufreak74
1/2/09 9:05:12AM

Posted by Pookie

I think people have always underestimated Aoki's ability to take it to the ground, yes his shot is average at best, but he uses his judo background well to trip and hop onto people, shit half the time he doesnt even have to get you on the ground to employ his ridiculous bjj grappling skills.



flying rubber guard FTW
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