The Real Reason Dana White Declared War On Strikeforce!

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emfleek
8/25/09 10:49:28AM
Did the UFC president, Dana White declare war on Strikeforce because Strikeforce landed Fedor Emelianenko when the UFC couldn’t?

I doubt it, although the issue may have exacerbated Dana’s distaste of Strikeforce. The UFC’s failure to sign the world’s best heavyweight must have been humiliating, even though Fedor’s decision to go with Strikeforce was blameless on all sides.

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Aether
8/25/09 11:47:07AM
I hope this is a blog, not a paid writer. Pretty long, rambling, poorly written article that doesn't really make any kind of valid points. It's like a jumble of random facts and opinions inter-spliced with borderline illegible sentences.

lol.
xdanish020
8/25/09 11:50:51AM
Agree with Aether, that article was very poorly written.
postman
8/25/09 12:12:15PM
I didn't know about the tourney is that true if so Mr Coker
RNC
8/25/09 12:49:56PM
From what I see, the UFC declared on war on Strikeforce because they did sign Fedor. They signed Fedor, they are trying to turn into a major promotion, and they are going to do PPV's. Before Strikeforce played the roll of a small organization, and the UFC was okay with this. But as soon as they started to try and blow up, the UFC does not like this competition.
D0wnUnd6e6r
8/25/09 12:55:49PM
Bottom line is, Strikeforce is trying to establish itself as a promotion of it's own. The UFC is by far the most notorious one at the moment and well there doesn't need to be any other reason why there's a so called "war" between the UFC and Strikeforce... they are competing promotions trying to reach the same goal. That's why Dana white declared "war" on Strikeforce, to stay at the top.
bjj1605
8/25/09 1:24:47PM
The problem is that one major organization is better for the sport and better for the fans. Having B leagues or minor leagues is good. Having multiple competing organizations with top talent is bad. The only way the fans are guaranteed top fights is if there is one organization with all the top talent. I thought this should have been obvious to everyone after the Pride FC vs UFC days, if not to current dilemma with Fedor. I don't care if its the UFC or any one else but I want one top organization. Dana has been the most effective in growing his brand and has the largest chance of winning. Its Scott Croker and Fedor and Gegard M. (whatever) and all the other opponents of the UFC that are hurting the sport. Not Dana White.
Darnok
8/25/09 1:40:57PM

Posted by bjj1605

The problem is that one major organization is better for the sport and better for the fans. Having B leagues or minor leagues is good. Having multiple competing organizations with top talent is bad. The only way the fans are guaranteed top fights is if there is one organization with all the top talent. I thought this should have been obvious to everyone after the Pride FC vs UFC days, if not to current dilemma with Fedor. I don't care if its the UFC or any one else but I want one top organization. Dana has been the most effective in growing his brand and has the largest chance of winning. Its Scott Croker and Fedor and Gegard M. (whatever) and all the other opponents of the UFC that are hurting the sport. Not Dana White.



x A Million
RearNakedJoke
8/25/09 2:07:43PM
is thats a high school paper?
jae_1833
8/25/09 2:55:00PM
I believe that the pyramid structure is the only way for us to see the top fighters fighting each other. It sucks because in normal businesses this simply does not work (auto ind, food ind, health care ind, ect) but in sports it does. There is only 1 NFL, 1 NBA, 1 NHL, 1 MLB, 1 NASCAR, ect....in boxing (which is all messed up right now) it's not that way, and there in lies it's problems as a sport. I don't want those problems coming to MMA, and there will if there are to many outside (other than UFC) organizations trying to establish themselves as something other than a UFC farm league.

P.S. Horrible article, poorly written, limited factual information, highly opinionated to only one side of the argument. Even says some things about Dana that to me are just plain ridiculous....(amazing I know)
Giant_Ochai
8/25/09 3:41:16PM
Any article that doesn't blindly praise Dana White is terrible?
telnights
8/25/09 4:41:00PM

Posted by Giant_Ochai

Any article that doesn't blindly praise Dana White is terrible?



That's not the case at all. Its terrible because the writer is very much rambling and not making any true valid points. Lets say its just a opinion piece for a sec. Even as such its still very poorly written and its trying to blend in his opinion as fact.



It’s understandable that UFC fans prefer the UFC; they may even be exclusively pro-UFC. After all, the UFC model calculatingly laces its production design with a pro-wrestling brand of artificial anger and combative philosophy and atmosphere to specifically target that all-important 14 to 28-year-old consumer, (18-34 if you believe the PPV age-group stats… which I don’t). And the scheme works flawlessly.


So the UFC is the pro-wrestling of MMA but StrikeForce is true MMA? Its also insulting to MMA Fans and to the sport to say the largest promotion is about artificial anger.


Dana is not interested in the growth or improvement of the sport of MMA, but only in the success of his enterprise: the UFC. It is that product and its related widgets which his advertising panel is peddling. Dana White appears to preserve his UFC under a fortress compound-like protection and separate from the sport that is MMA. Additionally, many feel that the UFC had a hand in what they perceived as rival organizations.


Yet again presenting his opinion as fact. We get it you don't like Dana and the UFC but as a fan he comes off more like a Anti-MMA person than a fan of the sport. What I like about this is he says Dana only cares about the UFC as if Scott Coker is the GOD of MMA and he cares about the sport more than the growth of his company. He even says Scott is a visionary as if he is doing more for MMA than anyone else. Last I checked Scott wouldn't even have a job if it wasn't for the growth of the UFC helping the growth of MMA in North America.

EvenFlow
8/25/09 4:52:59PM

Posted by bjj1605

The problem is that one major organization is better for the sport and better for the fans. Having B leagues or minor leagues is good. Having multiple competing organizations with top talent is bad. The only way the fans are guaranteed top fights is if there is one organization with all the top talent. I thought this should have been obvious to everyone after the Pride FC vs UFC days, if not to current dilemma with Fedor. I don't care if its the UFC or any one else but I want one top organization. Dana has been the most effective in growing his brand and has the largest chance of winning. Its Scott Croker and Fedor and Gegard M. (whatever) and all the other opponents of the UFC that are hurting the sport. Not Dana White.



Pride and the UFC got along fine, and hey, they even co-promoted.

Does anyone here really believe Strikeforce will be an A-league like the UFC? if they are theyre kidding themselves. People shouldnt be threatened that SF will take over, it will more than likely always be a B-league.

EDIT: I also agree with downunder that I really dont think dana has "declared war" on SF more less hes just promoting the UFC like saying fedor is "scared." He knows that isnt true, he knows Fedor cant really do anything about his contract its just his way of turning the fans against Fedor until he eventually signs after the M-1 contract is up, which im certain he will. And when he does, watch how much dana's tune changes "the best p4p ever" etc.
mrsmiley
8/25/09 5:52:49PM

Posted by bjj1605

The problem is that one major organization is better for the sport and better for the fans. Having B leagues or minor leagues is good. Having multiple competing organizations with top talent is bad. The only way the fans are guaranteed top fights is if there is one organization with all the top talent. I thought this should have been obvious to everyone after the Pride FC vs UFC days, if not to current dilemma with Fedor. I don't care if its the UFC or any one else but I want one top organization. Dana has been the most effective in growing his brand and has the largest chance of winning. Its Scott Croker and Fedor and Gegard M. (whatever) and all the other opponents of the UFC that are hurting the sport. Not Dana White.



I see what you mean,but I also think this idea is wishful thinking.
The problem is top talent emerges all the time.
Having all the talent in one organization may seem like a good idea,but what happens is it quickly gets overcrowded.
Some guys get overlooked in the mix and don't get their rightful place in the limelight.
Not to mention,when their's more competition that means we are more likely to get a better product all around because their is competition to fight against.
If your fighting against no one,you might tend to slide by on a few things.
I agree that multiple top organizations might not be a good idea,but at least one other top org I think is always a good thing.
telnights
8/26/09 3:49:06PM

Posted by mrsmiley


Posted by bjj1605

The problem is that one major organization is better for the sport and better for the fans. Having B leagues or minor leagues is good. Having multiple competing organizations with top talent is bad. The only way the fans are guaranteed top fights is if there is one organization with all the top talent. I thought this should have been obvious to everyone after the Pride FC vs UFC days, if not to current dilemma with Fedor. I don't care if its the UFC or any one else but I want one top organization. Dana has been the most effective in growing his brand and has the largest chance of winning. Its Scott Croker and Fedor and Gegard M. (whatever) and all the other opponents of the UFC that are hurting the sport. Not Dana White.



I see what you mean,but I also think this idea is wishful thinking.
The problem is top talent emerges all the time.
Having all the talent in one organization may seem like a good idea,but what happens is it quickly gets overcrowded.
Some guys get overlooked in the mix and don't get their rightful place in the limelight.
Not to mention,when their's more competition that means we are more likely to get a better product all around because their is competition to fight against.
If your fighting against no one,you might tend to slide by on a few things.
I agree that multiple top organizations might not be a good idea,but at least one other top org I think is always a good thing.



Not that I agree with the first post but the problem you speak of happens in all sports. Some guys get overlooked that maybe great players. This happens all the time in all sports. Let me give you a good example. There was a show on Spike called 4th and long. Some of the guys that were on that show were better than a lot of starters on a lot of NFL teams but those players got over looked by the system. There is no way around it sometimes your good players get over looked.

Now as far as one promotion idea I don't think is what we need at this time. But in a few years I think it would be best for the sport. But right now MMA is still growing so more orgs means the more it grows and the more main stream people will see it. But after it gets to its peak the more we need it under one promotion. That way it doesn't run in to the same problem Boxing has now. Boxing is hard for fans to follow because it has so many belts and so many weight class. It confusing to your avg fan and because of this a lot of times you don't always end up with the best fighting the best. Your avg boxing fan cant tell you who holds which tittles and who holds that tittle in each weight class. Even most of your hardcore boxing fans cant do this.
mrsmiley
8/26/09 11:23:36PM

Posted by telnights


Posted by mrsmiley


Posted by bjj1605

The problem is that one major organization is better for the sport and better for the fans. Having B leagues or minor leagues is good. Having multiple competing organizations with top talent is bad. The only way the fans are guaranteed top fights is if there is one organization with all the top talent. I thought this should have been obvious to everyone after the Pride FC vs UFC days, if not to current dilemma with Fedor. I don't care if its the UFC or any one else but I want one top organization. Dana has been the most effective in growing his brand and has the largest chance of winning. Its Scott Croker and Fedor and Gegard M. (whatever) and all the other opponents of the UFC that are hurting the sport. Not Dana White.



I see what you mean,but I also think this idea is wishful thinking.
The problem is top talent emerges all the time.
Having all the talent in one organization may seem like a good idea,but what happens is it quickly gets overcrowded.
Some guys get overlooked in the mix and don't get their rightful place in the limelight.
Not to mention,when their's more competition that means we are more likely to get a better product all around because their is competition to fight against.
If your fighting against no one,you might tend to slide by on a few things.
I agree that multiple top organizations might not be a good idea,but at least one other top org I think is always a good thing.



Not that I agree with the first post but the problem you speak of happens in all sports. Some guys get overlooked that maybe great players. This happens all the time in all sports. Let me give you a good example. There was a show on Spike called 4th and long. Some of the guys that were on that show were better than a lot of starters on a lot of NFL teams but those players got over looked by the system. There is no way around it sometimes your good players get over looked.

Now as far as one promotion idea I don't think is what we need at this time. But in a few years I think it would be best for the sport. But right now MMA is still growing so more orgs means the more it grows and the more main stream people will see it. But after it gets to its peak the more we need it under one promotion. That way it doesn't run in to the same problem Boxing has now. Boxing is hard for fans to follow because it has so many belts and so many weight class. It confusing to your avg fan and because of this a lot of times you don't always end up with the best fighting the best. Your avg boxing fan cant tell you who holds which tittles and who holds that tittle in each weight class. Even most of your hardcore boxing fans cant do this.



Possibly.
But I don't think having one promotion to end all is a great answer.
Their would be benifets,but their would be drawbacks as well.
Whether i'm thinking sports,entertainment,games,etc, I don't see only having one outlet being that good of an idea.
That's like the rumors that have swirled about EA trying to create a one console market (sorry for the comparison but it just came to mind).
Their are proponnents of the idea,but I just don't see how it's possible or how it would even work.
But as I mentioned above,I agree that multiple "top" organizations is a bad idea,but at least one other promotion that can balance the power seems to be a good alternative.

Just look at the WWE.
At the time WCW was competing for the rating war,the only people who ended out on top was the fans.
Because both pushed the envelope and did the best to win the attention of the fans. To most that is still considered a golden era for pro-wrestling.
Then look at the WWE after buying out WCW.
what we were promised became nothing more than a bust.
Yes their were some good moments,but is it any wonder the WWE hit an all time low after that?
Their was no one to compete with them.
Even with all the talent they couldn't make anything of it worth the fans attention.

I think the sticking point with MMA (and PRIDE showed us this) is that their is more than one way to showcase MMA.
Just as Dana said (paraphrasing) "its hard for the NFL to expand outside the USA,but stick to guys in a cage and people will watch anywere".

That's a very true statement. But,just as much as one may consider the NBA,NHL,or MLB cultural sports that are predominant in certain countries,MMA combat can appeal everywere.
But its important to remember to that people seem to want cultural undertones in their MMA events.
We can see this especialy in China and Japan.
I believe as long as this holds true its going to be very hard for one dominant promotion to overtake the entire market.

RNC
8/27/09 8:15:57AM
There's no way in the world you can have only one MMA promotion.

There are just too many fighters, and not only that, but too many fighters at too many different skill levels. People need a place to grow and develope their skills before they reach the big leagues. You need the experience of those fights to get better. And the idea of grouping certain leagues for certain skill levels would be nice, but the problem is, no one would watch the less skilled leagues because they aren't any good.

Fight leagues are businesses, and everytime its going to be about money. And the way these leagues make money is to have skilled fighters and put on interesting fights. You can't expect every top fighter to make it to the UFC because if they did, there would be no other organizations to grow fighters.
telnights
8/28/09 2:04:22AM

Posted by mrsmiley
I see what you mean,but I also think this idea is wishful thinking.
The problem is top talent emerges all the time.
Having all the talent in one organization may seem like a good idea,but what happens is it quickly gets overcrowded.
Some guys get overlooked in the mix and don't get their rightful place in the limelight.
Not to mention,when their's more competition that means we are more likely to get a better product all around because their is competition to fight against.
If your fighting against no one,you might tend to slide by on a few things.
I agree that multiple top organizations might not be a good idea,but at least one other top org I think is always a good thing.



Not that I agree with the first post but the problem you speak of happens in all sports. Some guys get overlooked that maybe great players. This happens all the time in all sports. Let me give you a good example. There was a show on Spike called 4th and long. Some of the guys that were on that show were better than a lot of starters on a lot of NFL teams but those players got over looked by the system. There is no way around it sometimes your good players get over looked.

Now as far as one promotion idea I don't think is what we need at this time. But in a few years I think it would be best for the sport. But right now MMA is still growing so more orgs means the more it grows and the more main stream people will see it. But after it gets to its peak the more we need it under one promotion. That way it doesn't run in to the same problem Boxing has now. Boxing is hard for fans to follow because it has so many belts and so many weight class. It confusing to your avg fan and because of this a lot of times you don't always end up with the best fighting the best. Your avg boxing fan cant tell you who holds which tittles and who holds that tittle in each weight class. Even most of your hardcore boxing fans cant do this.


Possibly.
But I don't think having one promotion to end all is a great answer.
Their would be benifets,but their would be drawbacks as well.
Whether i'm thinking sports,entertainment,games,etc, I don't see only having one outlet being that good of an idea.
That's like the rumors that have swirled about EA trying to create a one console market (sorry for the comparison but it just came to mind).
Their are proponnents of the idea,but I just don't see how it's possible or how it would even work.
But as I mentioned above,I agree that multiple "top" organizations is a bad idea,but at least one other promotion that can balance the power seems to be a good alternative.

Just look at the WWE.
At the time WCW was competing for the rating war,the only people who ended out on top was the fans.
Because both pushed the envelope and did the best to win the attention of the fans. To most that is still considered a golden era for pro-wrestling.
Then look at the WWE after buying out WCW.
what we were promised became nothing more than a bust.
Yes their were some good moments,but is it any wonder the WWE hit an all time low after that?
Their was no one to compete with them.
Even with all the talent they couldn't make anything of it worth the fans attention.

I think the sticking point with MMA (and PRIDE showed us this) is that their is more than one way to showcase MMA.
Just as Dana said (paraphrasing) "its hard for the NFL to expand outside the USA,but stick to guys in a cage and people will watch anywere".

That's a very true statement. But,just as much as one may consider the NBA,NHL,or MLB cultural sports that are predominant in certain countries,MMA combat can appeal everywere.
But its important to remember to that people seem to want cultural undertones in their MMA events.
We can see this especialy in China and Japan.
I believe as long as this holds true its going to be very hard for one dominant promotion to overtake the entire market.



Well you maybe right but its been shown that most major sports to make it to the next level must have one true governing body. Like NBA, MLB, NFL, or even FIFA. I don't think we need it right now and in fact I think it would hurt the sport at this time. But I do think we will very much need one Pro style promotion in the next few years. Now not saying there cant be other promotions but they should be considered semi-pro. Now say that does happen and its the UFC. I think we would start to see spin offs of its own company in time and even start to see lot more MMA. We almost see this now in North America with lot of people seeing the UFC as the Pros of MMA.
mrsmiley
8/28/09 2:02:05PM

Posted by telnights


Posted by mrsmiley
I see what you mean,but I also think this idea is wishful thinking.
The problem is top talent emerges all the time.
Having all the talent in one organization may seem like a good idea,but what happens is it quickly gets overcrowded.
Some guys get overlooked in the mix and don't get their rightful place in the limelight.
Not to mention,when their's more competition that means we are more likely to get a better product all around because their is competition to fight against.
If your fighting against no one,you might tend to slide by on a few things.
I agree that multiple top organizations might not be a good idea,but at least one other top org I think is always a good thing.



Not that I agree with the first post but the problem you speak of happens in all sports. Some guys get overlooked that maybe great players. This happens all the time in all sports. Let me give you a good example. There was a show on Spike called 4th and long. Some of the guys that were on that show were better than a lot of starters on a lot of NFL teams but those players got over looked by the system. There is no way around it sometimes your good players get over looked.

Now as far as one promotion idea I don't think is what we need at this time. But in a few years I think it would be best for the sport. But right now MMA is still growing so more orgs means the more it grows and the more main stream people will see it. But after it gets to its peak the more we need it under one promotion. That way it doesn't run in to the same problem Boxing has now. Boxing is hard for fans to follow because it has so many belts and so many weight class. It confusing to your avg fan and because of this a lot of times you don't always end up with the best fighting the best. Your avg boxing fan cant tell you who holds which tittles and who holds that tittle in each weight class. Even most of your hardcore boxing fans cant do this.



Possibly.
But I don't think having one promotion to end all is a great answer.
Their would be benifets,but their would be drawbacks as well.
Whether i'm thinking sports,entertainment,games,etc, I don't see only having one outlet being that good of an idea.
That's like the rumors that have swirled about EA trying to create a one console market (sorry for the comparison but it just came to mind).
Their are proponnents of the idea,but I just don't see how it's possible or how it would even work.
But as I mentioned above,I agree that multiple "top" organizations is a bad idea,but at least one other promotion that can balance the power seems to be a good alternative.

Just look at the WWE.
At the time WCW was competing for the rating war,the only people who ended out on top was the fans.
Because both pushed the envelope and did the best to win the attention of the fans. To most that is still considered a golden era for pro-wrestling.
Then look at the WWE after buying out WCW.
what we were promised became nothing more than a bust.
Yes their were some good moments,but is it any wonder the WWE hit an all time low after that?
Their was no one to compete with them.
Even with all the talent they couldn't make anything of it worth the fans attention.

I think the sticking point with MMA (and PRIDE showed us this) is that their is more than one way to showcase MMA.
Just as Dana said (paraphrasing) "its hard for the NFL to expand outside the USA,but stick to guys in a cage and people will watch anywere".

That's a very true statement. But,just as much as one may consider the NBA,NHL,or MLB cultural sports that are predominant in certain countries,MMA combat can appeal everywere.
But its important to remember to that people seem to want cultural undertones in their MMA events.
We can see this especialy in China and Japan.
I believe as long as this holds true its going to be very hard for one dominant promotion to overtake the entire market.



Well you maybe right but its been shown that most major sports to make it to the next level must have one true governing body. Like NBA, MLB, NFL, or even FIFA. I don't think we need it right now and in fact I think it would hurt the sport at this time. But I do think we will very much need one Pro style promotion in the next few years. Now not saying there cant be other promotions but they should be considered semi-pro. Now say that does happen and its the UFC. I think we would start to see spin offs of its own company in time and even start to see lot more MMA. We almost see this now in North America with lot of people seeing the UFC as the Pros of MMA.



I agree with you for the most part on that Tele.
The thing i'm thinking of is that though the UFC is indeed a sport it's not promoted or even really structered like the NBA,NFL,etc.
I believe it was Dana White who made the model comparison with the UFC to equal of that of the WWE.
I guess its possible for MMA to one day have a structure somewhat like the NFL,but I don't really see it happening.
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