Rampage Jackson: Wanderlei Silva is the ‘Chump Murderer’

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SmileR
3/27/08 9:29:38PM
“I think that if I fought Wanderlei Silva in the UFC I would have beat him. Wanderlei was the Chuck Liddell of Pride. If you were beating Wanderlei on the ground, the referee’s would stand you right up. It happened to me. It happened to other fighters that fought him…. Me and Silva don’t even talk to each other. Silva is the type of guy that thinks everyone should be afraid of him. The way I react around him is different. I am not afraid of Wanderlei Silva. They call him ‘The Axe Murder’ because he destroys people in his fights. They threw him chumps and he murdered them. Look at his record of guys he fought. This guy is ‘The Chump Murderer.’ I speak my mind around him and he looks at me all crazy like I shouldn’t be saying that. I think some of the referees took payoffs in Pride. In Japan, I promise you something was up.”

While a guest on the Opie and Anthony radio show, reigning UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Quinton “Rampage” Jackson reflected on his two crushing losses to Wanderlei Silva while the two competed under the Pride FC banner overseas in Japan. It’s widely believed that Silva will drop down to middleweight after his upcoming fight with Keith Jardine at UFC 84: “Ill Will,” which would put a damper on seeing a third match up — this time inside the Octagon — anytime soon.


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cmill21
3/27/08 9:32:24PM
He sure likes to bitch about that fight alot lol. I don't really care, I think Rampage has a terrible time with guys who use the clinch and knees, and Shogun would have just beat him up for the belt right after if he won it.
SmileR
3/27/08 9:56:43PM

Posted by cmill21

He sure likes to bitch about that fight alot lol. I don't really care, I think Rampage has a terrible time with guys who use the clinch and knees, and Shogun would have just beat him up for the belt right after if he won it.



Yeah man, he needs to accept he got beat an keep looking forward.
Theirs no one denying he's the top LHW now so he should quit bitchin an concentrate on Forrest.
jgtribbett
3/27/08 10:07:37PM
yep i agree... i also think that the cro cop ko destroyed wandy's mental and then he looked good against hendo and got knocked out.. ya know
lets face it.. everyone is gettingold...past theirprimes
TimW001
3/27/08 10:10:26PM

Posted by metal_mecca43

yep i agree... i also think that the cro cop ko destroyed wandy's mental and then he looked good against hendo and got knocked out.. ya know
lets face it.. everyone is gettingold...past theirprimes



Yea we need to look to the next generation of fighters.
RMFG_187
3/27/08 10:12:36PM
I still think Wandy is better, but IMO, Shogun would get owned this time around
Porch28
3/27/08 10:35:18PM
I guess when he's referring to chumps they threw at Silva he's including himself too?
Manak
3/27/08 10:48:55PM
part of that is true but the ref was not the one kneeing him into a coma.
emfleek
3/27/08 10:49:51PM
I really can't wait until Rampage finally gets dealt with. I want him to lose that belt soooo bad.
NatedawgThaM
3/27/08 10:54:05PM
I AGREE 100% WITH RAMPAGE!!!!

The UFC threw Chuck a bunch of wrestlers with barely decent striking, in PRIDE they favored the stand up fighters the most and messed up stuff was happening like fixed fights and payoffs.

Rampage was beating Wandy BOTH TIMES. The first time he should have won IMO. No way in hell a UFC ref would have stood the fight up. Rampage was working. But sure enough they stood it up. Second time around Rampage won the first round. Held his own on the feet and won on the ground. But the second fight there's no real excuse for the ending since he should have took him down instead of trade but maybe he said F it since it would have gotten stood back up.

But I agree with him. In the UFC both fights with Wandy would have ended in TKO/KO fashion except with W's in the win column for Rampage. I won't make excuses for Shogun he straight F'd him up. But that happens to every fighter and it's their job to come back better then ever and he has.

quezocrema0032
3/27/08 10:55:18PM
the 205 landscape is a crazy place ... rampage can beat liddell vanderlia can beat rampage liddell can beat vanderlia and so on for quite awhile ... well forrest will beat rampages ass for wanderlei ... =D ... could just be wishfull thinking though
bls1919
3/27/08 11:00:58PM
Rampage needs to focus on his task at hand. That is beating Forrest griffin. i hope he isnt looking past him. not a l lot of people think Forrestt has a chance..I do. IMO its going to be a WAR!! mark my words.
silverbullet
3/27/08 11:02:04PM
Let's examine Wandy's recent record...

LOSS Chuck Liddell - owned by Page twice
LOSS Dan Henderson - Rampage beat him, and A. Silva owned him
LOSS Cro Cop - owned by mid-level heavies in the UFC
WIN Kazuyuki Fujita - decent fighter, far from top 10
WIN Ricard Arona (decision)
LOSS Ricardo Arona (decision). Ricardo Arona hasn't beaten anybody decent since decision against Hendo in 2002, another Pride :"legend"
WIN Kazuhiro Nakamura - Pride can
WIN Hidehiko Yoshida - Judoka who got lost on his way to the dojo
LOSS Mark Hunt - another Pride "legend", MMA record 8-5. Known as the kickboxer who almost tapped Fedor
WIN Quinton Jackson - DING DING DING!!! A notable win

So basically Wandy has not beaten anybody who could survive in the UFC since knocking out 2004 version of Quinton Jackson. Quinton would own him today in the cage without the referee stopping them every five seconds.

PRIDE fans need to wake the hell up and smell the coffee. Wandy's been "past his prime" since 2004.
Pookie
3/27/08 11:05:38PM

Posted by silverbullet

Let's examine Wandy's recent record...

LOSS Chuck Liddell - owned by Page twice
LOSS Dan Henderson - Rampage beat him, and A. Silva owned him
LOSS Cro Cop - owned by mid-level heavies in the UFC
WIN Kazuyuki Fujita - decent fighter, far from top 10
WIN Ricard Arona (decision)
LOSS Ricardo Arona (decision). Ricardo Arona hasn't beaten anybody decent since decision against Hendo in 2002, another Pride :"legend"
WIN Kazuhiro Nakamura - Pride can
WIN Hidehiko Yoshida - Judoka who got lost on his way to the dojo
LOSS Mark Hunt - another Pride "legend", MMA record 8-5. Known as the kickboxer who almost tapped Fedor
WIN Quinton Jackson - DING DING DING!!! A notable win

So basically Wandy has not beaten anybody who could survive in the UFC since knocking out 2004 version of Quinton Jackson. Quinton would own him today in the cage without the referee stopping them every five seconds.

PRIDE fans need to wake the hell up and smell the coffee. Wandy's been "past his prime" since 2004.



Did you forget that Henderson won the first round of the fight against anderson. He didnt get owned, he got caught.

...Rampage is a pride fighter...

silverbullet
3/27/08 11:10:03PM



Did you forget that Henderson won the first round of the fight against anderson. He didnt get owned, he got caught.

...Rampage is a pride fighter...




If by "got caught" you meant "received a life changing beating" then yeah, he got caught
NatedawgThaM
3/27/08 11:17:19PM

Posted by silverbullet

Let's examine Wandy's recent record...

LOSS Chuck Liddell - owned by Page twice
LOSS Dan Henderson - Rampage beat him, and A. Silva owned him
LOSS Cro Cop - owned by mid-level heavies in the UFC
WIN Kazuyuki Fujita - decent fighter, far from top 10
WIN Ricard Arona (decision)
LOSS Ricardo Arona (decision). Ricardo Arona hasn't beaten anybody decent since decision against Hendo in 2002, another Pride :"legend"
WIN Kazuhiro Nakamura - Pride can
WIN Hidehiko Yoshida - Judoka who got lost on his way to the dojo
LOSS Mark Hunt - another Pride "legend", MMA record 8-5. Known as the kickboxer who almost tapped Fedor
WIN Quinton Jackson - DING DING DING!!! A notable win

So basically Wandy has not beaten anybody who could survive in the UFC since knocking out 2004 version of Quinton Jackson. Quinton would own him today in the cage without the referee stopping them every five seconds.

PRIDE fans need to wake the hell up and smell the coffee. Wandy's been "past his prime" since 2004.



The only I would disagree on you with is if your ragging on Hendo for not being a quality loss. Rampage and Anderson are without a doubt the proven #1 & #2 P4P fighters in the world. Losing to them is no shame at all. Not mention he got thrown to them right off the bat without a warm up fight to let the fans warm up to you.

I'm not gonna diss Wandy, he is a very exciting fighter and he's one of my favorites to watch. But there's no way in my mind you cannot not count the PRIDE refs as a factor in these fights. Yeah they are way more intelligent when stopping fights then the UFC ones, but the favoritism in the stand up range was a problem without question.
SmileR
3/27/08 11:30:35PM
I don't see the point in him moaning about it though!
Its in the past, no matter how much he bitches an moans the decisions will still stand!

I got the crap kicked out of me in little school by a guy who now i would bitch slap with ease but i don't moan about how if it were under different circumstances i would have won.

Quentin is with out doubt the best 205'er in the world today, he's got the belt an fought very tough competition to get it. I'v got no doubt in my mind that he'll fight Wand again an i'd heavily favor him this time round but until that day just except he lost an stop moaning.

Wand's a tough guy and having two losses to him while he was in his prime an you were building up to yours is nothing to be ashamed of. Yeah the first fight was stood up a bit to much but the second loss was because of a bad game plan.

Rampage is a great champ and he's a funny guy but he needs to stop moaning about his past losses an start concentrating on the fights ahead.
Aaronno9
3/27/08 11:47:05PM
Sorry, but for rampage to even suggest chuck only won becouse the refs where on his side and stood up fights involving him to quick is absolute bullshit. Chuck may have beat up alot of grapplers in his time, but what do you expext him to do? the ufc makes the fights, not him. The only time he was taken down in the ufc was by randy, and randy beat him on that night, no excuses. People who discredit chuck make me sick, hes acomplished so much more in his life than anybody on this forum could hope to do, and if you took the time to read his book you'd see he had nothing handed to him on a plate growing up, or at any point during his fighting career.
WhiteWidow
3/27/08 11:50:24PM
why did rampage pawn himself with that comment? if hes the chump murderer i guess that makes him one of those chumps.....twice!

and yeah rampage is lucky that wandy and shogun lost there last fights otherwise he'd be losing his belt at UFC 86 but he'll destroy "cryin' forrest gerfin" so im happy on that part, but if he has to fight Machida, Shogun or Wandy... uphill battle for sure

EDIT: 100% shogun, not wounded knee shogun
cmill21
3/27/08 11:54:58PM

Posted by silverbullet

Let's examine Wandy's recent record...

LOSS Chuck Liddell - owned by Page twice
LOSS Dan Henderson - Rampage beat him, and A. Silva owned him
LOSS Cro Cop - owned by mid-level heavies in the UFC
WIN Kazuyuki Fujita - decent fighter, far from top 10
WIN Ricard Arona (decision)
LOSS Ricardo Arona (decision). Ricardo Arona hasn't beaten anybody decent since decision against Hendo in 2002, another Pride :"legend"
WIN Kazuhiro Nakamura - Pride can
WIN Hidehiko Yoshida - Judoka who got lost on his way to the dojo
LOSS Mark Hunt - another Pride "legend", MMA record 8-5. Known as the kickboxer who almost tapped Fedor
WIN Quinton Jackson - DING DING DING!!! A notable win

So basically Wandy has not beaten anybody who could survive in the UFC since knocking out 2004 version of Quinton Jackson. Quinton would own him today in the cage without the referee stopping them every five seconds.

PRIDE fans need to wake the hell up and smell the coffee. Wandy's been "past his prime" since 2004.



Arona is a very good fighter and he has the style to dominate in the UFC. We get it though you don't respect most of Prides old roster, but alot of what you said is very out of line, Hendo's not a legend? He's the only one to win a round against Anderson Silva in the UFC(Anderso wen't 3-2 in shitty ole pride), and he gave Rampage who destroyed mighty Chuck, all he could handle. I never knew Hunt was legend, he's a WGP winner and how do you almost tap a guy? Thats like saying you almost slept with the hottest girl in highschool, or you almost scored the winning goal. Your quickly becoming the most annoying poster around.
Aaronno9
3/28/08 12:11:10AM

Posted by cmill21


Posted by silverbullet

Let's examine Wandy's recent record...

LOSS Chuck Liddell - owned by Page twice
LOSS Dan Henderson - Rampage beat him, and A. Silva owned him
LOSS Cro Cop - owned by mid-level heavies in the UFC
WIN Kazuyuki Fujita - decent fighter, far from top 10
WIN Ricard Arona (decision)
LOSS Ricardo Arona (decision). Ricardo Arona hasn't beaten anybody decent since decision against Hendo in 2002, another Pride :"legend"
WIN Kazuhiro Nakamura - Pride can
WIN Hidehiko Yoshida - Judoka who got lost on his way to the dojo
LOSS Mark Hunt - another Pride "legend", MMA record 8-5. Known as the kickboxer who almost tapped Fedor
WIN Quinton Jackson - DING DING DING!!! A notable win

So basically Wandy has not beaten anybody who could survive in the UFC since knocking out 2004 version of Quinton Jackson. Quinton would own him today in the cage without the referee stopping them every five seconds.

PRIDE fans need to wake the hell up and smell the coffee. Wandy's been "past his prime" since 2004.



Arona is a very good fighter and he has the style to dominate in the UFC. We get it though you don't respect most of Prides old roster, but alot of what you said is very out of line, Hendo's not a legend? He's the only one to win a round against Anderson Silva in the UFC(Anderso wen't 3-2 in shitty ole pride), and he gave Rampage who destroyed mighty Chuck, all he could handle. I never knew Hunt was legend, he's a WGP winner and how do you almost tap a guy? Thats like saying you almost slept with the hottest girl in highschool, or you almost scored the winning goal. Your quickly becoming the most annoying poster around.




The whole anderson was only 3-2 in pride is the stupidest argument anybody can use. He lost via d.q in a fight he was winning, and lost to one of the slickest subs ive ever seen and itl most likey never happen again. Its not like he got dominated then knocked out by your super awesome pride fighters, he lost 2 unlucky fights, which i expect hed redeem with ease if he gets the chance in the ufc.
ThaAxeMurderer7
3/28/08 12:22:02AM
Ha ha....I love it. If you think page is complaining now, wait till he loses the belt. Quinton needs to stop complaining about getting his ass kicked and focus on Forrest Griffin. I'm telling you, wait until he loses in the UFC. He has nothing to complain about right now because he's the champ. Once he loses though, all kinds of excuses will be coming out his mouth.
Gladiator
3/28/08 12:30:21AM

Posted by NatedawgThaM

I AGREE 100% WITH RAMPAGE!!!!

The UFC threw Chuck a bunch of wrestlers with barely decent striking, in PRIDE they favored the stand up fighters the most and messed up stuff was happening like fixed fights and payoffs.

Rampage was beating Wandy BOTH TIMES. The first time he should have won IMO. No way in hell a UFC ref would have stood the fight up. Rampage was working. But sure enough they stood it up. Second time around Rampage won the first round. Held his own on the feet and won on the ground. But the second fight there's no real excuse for the ending since he should have took him down instead of trade but maybe he said F it since it would have gotten stood back up.

But I agree with him. In the UFC both fights with Wandy would have ended in TKO/KO fashion except with W's in the win column for Rampage. I won't make excuses for Shogun he straight F'd him up. But that happens to every fighter and it's their job to come back better then ever and he has.




Im glad i can always count on u to hug rampages nuts and stomp on liddells. i guess this is like killing two birds with one stone for u right? (dont get mad, i enjoy the posts)
WhiteWidow
3/28/08 12:33:15AM

Posted by Gladiator


Posted by NatedawgThaM

I AGREE 100% WITH RAMPAGE!!!!

The UFC threw Chuck a bunch of wrestlers with barely decent striking, in PRIDE they favored the stand up fighters the most and messed up stuff was happening like fixed fights and payoffs.

Rampage was beating Wandy BOTH TIMES. The first time he should have won IMO. No way in hell a UFC ref would have stood the fight up. Rampage was working. But sure enough they stood it up. Second time around Rampage won the first round. Held his own on the feet and won on the ground. But the second fight there's no real excuse for the ending since he should have took him down instead of trade but maybe he said F it since it would have gotten stood back up.

But I agree with him. In the UFC both fights with Wandy would have ended in TKO/KO fashion except with W's in the win column for Rampage. I won't make excuses for Shogun he straight F'd him up. But that happens to every fighter and it's their job to come back better then ever and he has.




Im glad i can always count on u to hug rampages nuts and stomp on liddells. i guess this is like killing two birds with one stone for u right? (dont get mad, i enjoy the posts)



PAWNED oohhhhh dam
NatedawgThaM
3/28/08 12:37:21AM

Posted by Gladiator


Posted by NatedawgThaM

I AGREE 100% WITH RAMPAGE!!!!

The UFC threw Chuck a bunch of wrestlers with barely decent striking, in PRIDE they favored the stand up fighters the most and messed up stuff was happening like fixed fights and payoffs.

Rampage was beating Wandy BOTH TIMES. The first time he should have won IMO. No way in hell a UFC ref would have stood the fight up. Rampage was working. But sure enough they stood it up. Second time around Rampage won the first round. Held his own on the feet and won on the ground. But the second fight there's no real excuse for the ending since he should have took him down instead of trade but maybe he said F it since it would have gotten stood back up.

But I agree with him. In the UFC both fights with Wandy would have ended in TKO/KO fashion except with W's in the win column for Rampage. I won't make excuses for Shogun he straight F'd him up. But that happens to every fighter and it's their job to come back better then ever and he has.




Im glad i can always count on u to hug rampages nuts and stomp on liddells. i guess this is like killing two birds with one stone for u right? (dont get mad, i enjoy the posts)



Now your catching on
cmill21
3/28/08 12:38:28AM

Posted by Aaronno9

The whole anderson was only 3-2 in pride is the stupidest argument anybody can use. He lost via d.q in a fight he was winning, and lost to one of the slickest subs ive ever seen and itl most likey never happen again. Its not like he got dominated then knocked out by your super awesome pride fighters, he lost 2 unlucky fights, which i expect hed redeem with ease if he gets the chance in the ufc.



Well your talking about the Okami fight, which did not happen in Pride. Go back and check again, he lost to a sakuraba understudy by standard triangle choke. This is not going to turn into another Pride vs UFC thread, I was just saying if you want to talk about how crappy pride was then you also have to look at how guys who are dominating the UFC did while they were there. I don't get people leaving out half of the elements to make their argument look pretty.
Manak
3/28/08 1:05:07AM
the main problem with this is it was in the past when it was just a different era in mma,
RMFG_187
3/28/08 1:06:17AM

Posted by NatedawgThaM

Rampage and Anderson are without a doubt the proven #1 & #2 P4P fighters in the world.



#1 Anderson is P4P Best
#2 Fedor
#3 Georges St Pierre
#4 Toss Up Between Rampage, and BJ Penn

before u start hating, thats MO
NatedawgThaM
3/28/08 1:27:41AM

Posted by RMFG_187


Posted by NatedawgThaM

Rampage and Anderson are without a doubt the proven #1 & #2 P4P fighters in the world.



#1 Anderson is P4P Best
#2 Fedor
#3 Georges St Pierre
#4 Toss Up Between Rampage, and BJ Penn

before u start hating, thats MO



Of course, I just rate on recent performance. Got to agree with #1. Fedor I have 3 or 4 just because he hasn't stepped up to the level of competition he should be fighting awhile so I dropped him down but hopefully that changes. I understand your a big GSP fan but the man's not even the #1 Welterweight so I myself couldn't rank him in the top 3 P4P until he beats Serra. Serra beat him fair and square so he's #1.

Rampage unified the titles defeating the #2 LHW IMO Hendo and then when he won the title he knocked off the poster boy of the UFC. BJ Penn hasn't really faced anybody breathe taking so I would take Rampage in that toss up.

jakeiceman
3/28/08 1:46:24AM

Posted by Gladiator


Posted by NatedawgThaM

I AGREE 100% WITH RAMPAGE!!!!

The UFC threw Chuck a bunch of wrestlers with barely decent striking, in PRIDE they favored the stand up fighters the most and messed up stuff was happening like fixed fights and payoffs.

Rampage was beating Wandy BOTH TIMES. The first time he should have won IMO. No way in hell a UFC ref would have stood the fight up. Rampage was working. But sure enough they stood it up. Second time around Rampage won the first round. Held his own on the feet and won on the ground. But the second fight there's no real excuse for the ending since he should have took him down instead of trade but maybe he said F it since it would have gotten stood back up.

But I agree with him. In the UFC both fights with Wandy would have ended in TKO/KO fashion except with W's in the win column for Rampage. I won't make excuses for Shogun he straight F'd him up. But that happens to every fighter and it's their job to come back better then ever and he has.




Im glad i can always count on u to hug rampages nuts and stomp on liddells. i guess this is like killing two birds with one stone for u right? (dont get mad, i enjoy the posts)



Oh hell yeah! You are now my f avorite guy on here for that post.....no sarcasm either your the man
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