Rampage Jackson: 'Biased' Joe Rogan plays the rusty trombone for BJJ fighters

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SmileR
2/20/12 1:53:30PM
"You know he's got good jiu-jitsu because he's so biased against jiu-jitsu guys. You can hear it in his voice. Whenever a guy is a jiu-jitsu fighter he's playing rusty trombone. I don't think you should talk down, you should be neutral. When I used to fight in PRIDE, watch Bas Rutten and Stephen Quadros on commentary. Those guys were my good friends and you couldn't even tell when they were doing commentary. We hung out outside of work sometimes, we were good friends but when I fought they weren't biased towards me. They did their job. They weren't biased towards skills or anything like that. That's the way it should be. Sometimes you can hear him because Joe Rogan has one of those girly high-ass voices. I just wanna tell him to shut the fuck up sometimes."

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emfleek
2/20/12 1:58:33PM
Though I don't disagree, I will say that Quinton is just as bad by getting butthurt whenever fighters/commentators/fans don't swing from his sack and worship the ground he walks on.
SmileR
2/20/12 2:03:49PM

Posted by emfleek

Though I don't disagree, I will say that Quinton is just as bad by getting butthurt whenever fighters/commentators/fans don't swing from his sack and worship the ground he walks on.



Yup, but I also can't really find a way to disagree with him on this.
Cooler
2/20/12 2:08:19PM
He's right, Joe is way too open about his critisizing opinions. I get that it's his job and all to be critical and commentate but the bias he shows for certain styles and certain fighters shows. He did grill Rampage quite a bit in his fight with Jones and it's like what do you want him to do? leg kick Jon Jones so he gets taken down easier than he normally would? he had to try and knock Jones out because shooting on Jones would've been ridiculous too.
tcunningham
2/20/12 2:09:37PM
to be honest, i get more tired of rampage's whining than i do rogan's commentary. just keep playing your violin rampage, and let rogan play his trombone.
Cooler
2/20/12 2:13:39PM

Posted by tcunningham

to be honest, i get more tired of rampage's whining than i do rogan's commentary. just keep playing your violin rampage, and let rogan play his trombone.



So because Rampage was critisizing someone who critisizes and commentates other fighters for a living on national television that makes Rampage a whiner who plays the violin? So is joe playing the vio-bone then when he commentates?
airkerma
2/20/12 2:38:29PM

Posted by Cooler


Posted by tcunningham

to be honest, i get more tired of rampage's whining than i do rogan's commentary. just keep playing your violin rampage, and let rogan play his trombone.



So because Rampage was critisizing someone who critisizes and commentates other fighters for a living on national television that makes Rampage a whiner who plays the violin? So is joe playing the vio-bone then when he commentates?


Yeah kinda... Joe is clearly biased from time to time and he adds other aspects to his commentary that is unnecessary, but sometimes his insight will come off as an insult. Was he wrong when he said Struve needed to incorporate that jab? Sometimes constructive criticism is hard to take, especially for guys with huge egos. That doesn't mean Rogan has never been out of line, but Rampage seems to always have something to complain about (spies, acting instead of fighting, nobody wants to fight me for real).
And I'll go ahead and say I'm biased too, but I think it's good for someone to be on the jitsu guys nuts. It isn't necessarily a dying art, but the influx of wrestlers outweighs the number of jitsu practitioners by a good margin. Having someone over analyze and praise the guys who are working off their back helps to recognize not only where the sport came from but also to point out that being on top doesn't always mean you are dominant. But like I said, being a jitz guy I am going to be biased as well.
FastKnockout
2/20/12 2:44:36PM
Joe's always been that way. Demian Maia could go three rounds using nothing but his striking and Joe would still talk about Maia's BJJ the whole time.

EDIT: Joe also used to be very biased toward Penn until his run in with Edgar.
Theoutlaw08
2/20/12 3:06:42PM
I would love it if Bas would come and do commentary full time for the UFC. Im over Rogan, he's just as biased as Troy Aikman commentating during a Cowboys game.
Wallass
2/20/12 3:11:28PM
If it was up to Joe, Pat Curran and Robert Drysdale would be champs of all the divisions. JJ is still only a fraction of what MMA is.
machodog76
2/20/12 3:20:03PM
I didn't know Joe was a musician.
warglory
2/20/12 4:09:43PM
I don't think Joe is so much bias towards BJJ, I think he just gets fired up about certain fighter's performances, and tends to focus his commentary on them. He is a passionate guy, and he wears it on his sleeve while commentating. Not saying I necessarily favor this approach all the time, as it can become irritating.
BeeR
2/20/12 4:11:45PM
brass polish prevents rust
Poor_Franklin
2/20/12 4:15:32PM

Posted by Theoutlaw08

I would love it if Bas would come and do commentary full time for the UFC. Im over Rogan, he's just as biased as Troy Aikman commentating during a Cowboys game.






Posted by Cooler

He's right, Joe is way too open about his critisizing opinions. I get that it's his job and all to be critical and commentate but the bias he shows for certain styles and certain fighters shows. He did grill Rampage quite a bit in his fight with Jones and it's like what do you want him to do? leg kick Jon Jones so he gets taken down easier than he normally would? he had to try and knock Jones out because shooting on Jones would've been ridiculous too.

icantthinkofanything
2/20/12 4:34:32PM
Rampage is predictable in my opinion and is getting on in his career, he like all mma stars should mix up the game to set things up.
zephead
2/20/12 5:57:28PM
Settle it in the cage. It was a breath of fresh air the other night NOT hearing Rogan and his life partner Mike.
shaneTpain
2/20/12 6:11:57PM
Not really a Rampage fan but Im glad he finally said it. Rogan does play the rusty trombone quite often during an event. His remarks of BJJ artists often have a "I'm better then this guy" vibe to them. In between name dropping fighters he has "rolled with" & talking about Lyoto Machidas elusive style Rogan really doesn't bring much to the table. The Pride mode on the new UFC undisputed game really has me appreciating Bas Rutton's old school style. Those were the days!

ALSO Sometimes you can hear him because Joe Rogan has one of those girly high-ass voices. I just wanna tell him to shut the fuck up sometimes."
prozacnation1978
2/20/12 6:56:03PM
Joe is biased. And he shouldnt be so much
Lesnar1
2/20/12 7:36:43PM
I wonder if Rampage will tell Joe to shut the Fuck up at ufc 144 haha that would be great. I do think Rogan has alot of biasm when he's on commentary especially with certain fighters wether they jiu jitsu experts or champions. Like whenever GSP or Anderson fight he's up there ass so much on commentary. I notice Florian is a little harsh on commentary towards fighters also but he definitely isn't as bias as Rogan. Bring Back Bas! or the best aussie commentator ever 'the voice' Michael Schiavello.
JoeWarren33
2/20/12 7:51:01PM
Rampage, is correct on this one!!
warglory
2/20/12 8:33:25PM
I don't see why everyone wants Bas to replace Rogan. In terms of technical breakdowns and being able to keep up with the action in a clear and concise manner, the only commentator who can challenge Rogan is maybe Stephen Quadros, who I'd much rather have as a UFC commentator than Bas Rutten. Bas is a personality, and that's it. Bas fit in with PRIDE, because PRIDE was crazy, with all the skits and such, but it's not professional. Bas is more of a professional wrestling commentator, than a sports commentator.
warglory
2/20/12 8:34:49PM

Posted by Lesnar1

I wonder if Rampage will tell Joe to shut the Fuck up at ufc 144 haha that would be great. I do think Rogan has alot of biasm when he's on commentary especially with certain fighters wether they jiu jitsu experts or champions. Like whenever GSP or Anderson fight he's up there ass so much on commentary. I notice Florian is a little harsh on commentary towards fighters also but he definitely isn't as bias as Rogan. Bring Back Bas! or the best aussie commentator ever 'the voice' Michael Schiavello.



Schiavello is also very overrated. He doesn't need to scream out GOOD NIGHT IRENE after every damn finish.
Aether
2/20/12 9:11:49PM
Anyone ever consider that he talks about BJJ more because it is way more intricate and far less obvious what's happening to casual fans than it is with striking and muay thai? It's pretty obvious when someone punches someone in the face even if you've never set foot in a gym, it's not obvious if someone is setting up a sweep with an omoplata if you know nothing about BJJ.

Or even because judges don't give a rat's ass about submission attempts and he wants to make people aware of the fact that they matter so that something might change with judging? IMO yeah, he talks about BJJ a lot, but someone has to do it, because it doesn't get the credit it actually deserves in terms of scoring or fan recognition.
mattjonesy
2/20/12 9:33:12PM
Rogan is a lil biased towards bjj because he loves the martial art! nothing wrong with that!
He doesnt do it for wrestling for example as much because he doesnt know a heap load about it.
If Rogans got an opinion hes not afraid to share it and I respect that. Would love to see Bas though!
papercut
2/20/12 9:42:12PM

Posted by warglory


Posted by Lesnar1

I wonder if Rampage will tell Joe to shut the Fuck up at ufc 144 haha that would be great. I do think Rogan has alot of biasm when he's on commentary especially with certain fighters wether they jiu jitsu experts or champions. Like whenever GSP or Anderson fight he's up there ass so much on commentary. I notice Florian is a little harsh on commentary towards fighters also but he definitely isn't as bias as Rogan. Bring Back Bas! or the best aussie commentator ever 'the voice' Michael Schiavello.



Schiavello is also very overrated. He doesn't need to scream out GOOD NIGHT IRENE after every damn finish.



now don't get me wrong with my next statement I do enjoy listening to "the voice" commentate but he can be thrown into the hat of bias commentators. if you ever watch a K1 event and there is an old school fighter like badr hari or semmy schilt fighting his commentating does tend to lean one way much more than the other.
RhythmAndStyle
2/21/12 2:03:12AM
i dont think Rampage meant Rogan is bias towards bjj, but meanin that Rogan is bias in general..cuz Rogan was hard on the Fedor train, now he says he fat and outdated..theres also been times where Rogan is straight d*ck ridin and next thing u know, he's eattin err word he was preachin..maybe its just me, but i do find Rogan bias..
lohmann
2/21/12 2:06:45AM
Joe Rogan knows more about BJJ than other facets of MMA. I do not think he purposely talks down a good striking game but that he just loves jiu-jitsu more because he has worked on it extensively as a person. I have a lot of problems with Rogan (such as his love for labeling black fighters as "athletic"), but his love for a good butterfly guard is sensible considering the man has worked with Eddie Bravo personally.

If Quinton Jackson was a fight commentator, my guess is that he would probably appreciate a good boxer more than anything else.
bjj1605
2/21/12 10:40:01PM
Maybe Rampage should actually listen to Rogan's commentary instead of getting but hurt and trying to start a pissing match.

Things Joe says about Rampage:

1) Rampage doesn't kick enough
2) Rampage no longer mixes in his strikes with takedowns. This makes him more predictable and therefore makes his boxing less effective.
3) Rampage doesn't use the jab or combos. Instead he hunts for power shots. This means he lands less and that the power shots are easier to see coming.


I agree with Joe on all of those things. Maybe if Rampage would listen he could really be a force at LHW again. Instead, he's got too big of an ego to listen to some pot head that he could beat up with one arm tied behind his back.

Sometimes the things we don't WANT to hear are exactly the things we NEED to hear.


Also, Rogan isn't biased towards BJJ. He's biased towards a well rounded MMA game. He criticizes wrestlers for not learning submissions. He criticizes boxers for not using kicks and takedowns. He critcizes straight up strikers for not learning the ground game.....AND he criticizes jiu jitsu guys who just lay on their backs or who ignore other parts of the game.

He's said OVER AND OVER that he believes wrestling plus jiu jitsu is the most effective style for grappling. He's also said that a guy on top SHOULD generally win the decision (which I disagree with.)


More importantly:

Who gives a flying f**k if he's biased towards BJJ? The whole sport (rules, judges, refs, fans) is biased towards wrestlers. Somebody needs to defend the art that started this sport in the western world.
RhythmAndStyle
2/22/12 1:47:41AM

Posted by bjj1605

Who gives a flying f**k if he's biased towards BJJ? The whole sport (rules, judges, refs, fans) is biased towards wrestlers. Somebody needs to defend the art that started this sport in the western world.



are u a Gracie?..lol..jk relax..im just tryin to say, sometime Rogan doesnt give the other opponent theyre dues..and they ends up winnin..and u can see Rogan all dumbfound' and err'thing he just said went down the drain..but the real thing is, im just glad they have more announcers, a breathe of fresh air..ps Bas prolly will never come to the UFC..
bjj1605
2/22/12 5:23:07PM

Posted by RhythmAndStyle


Posted by bjj1605

Who gives a flying f**k if he's biased towards BJJ? The whole sport (rules, judges, refs, fans) is biased towards wrestlers. Somebody needs to defend the art that started this sport in the western world.



are u a Gracie?..lol..jk relax..im just tryin to say, sometime Rogan doesnt give the other opponent theyre dues..and they ends up winnin..and u can see Rogan all dumbfound' and err'thing he just said went down the drain..but the real thing is, im just glad they have more announcers, a breathe of fresh air..ps Bas prolly will never come to the UFC..



Not a gracie, but I do love jiu jitsu.

I also love boxing and muay thai (just not a big fan of wrestling.) Most "martial arts" teach you how to beat your opponent. Wrestling is a pure sport and it just teaches you how to hold people on the ground. The objective in wrestling is to get a pin. That's why wrestlers lay and pray. They have no instinct to finish. (I'm generalizing for sure. There are some exciting wrestlers and some that I'm a fan of.)

The thing that irritates me is when I hear people say stuff like "Jiu jitsu is dead" or "Wrestlers beat jiu jitsu guys."

The only time a wrestler ever beats a jiu jitsu guy is when he's learned some jiu jitsu, so its really a joke to say that. Show me ANY wrestler (NCAA champ, Olympic Medalist, i don't care) and if he's never done jiu jitsu in his life he'll get tapped out by any blue belt in my gym. Probably even some of the white belts.

Jiu jitsu made this sport and its still the most important SINGLE SKILL (not that its enough on its own.)

And yet, all of the rules favor wrestlers over jiu jitsu guys and strikers (tell me how often you're gonna shoot a double leg if I can knee you in the head) and the judges don't score guard work at all. What if I'm a guard specialist? What if I WANT to pull guard and be on my back? I can't do that in United States MMA. They don't even let you but scoot.

So ya when people attack someone because they think he's "biased towards BJJ" I get a little worked up.

I hardly hear anyone complain about all of the bias towards wrestlers.
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