P$ and Rabi Present: Kings of Cash! Season 1 (SIGN UPS CLOSED, Season begins Dec. 30th, 2011)

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pmoney
12/4/11 5:55:08PM
Alright folks, in the spirit of Rabi's MMA Playground, pmoney and Rabi present Kings of Cash! Instead of going head to head with scores per event, we are going head to head with bankroll.

Sign ups will end Dec. 27th, 2011, and the season will begin on Friday, December 30th, to coincide with UFC 141 and the beginning of Season 12 on the playground.

The rules are fairly simple. Once sign ups are complete, I will create a system of brackets and divisions. Most likely it will be 10 to a division. It will be 9 weeks, every player will face every player. Whoever wins the most money in the head to head battle wins! Each week, the person who wins their head to head match earns points, and the bankroll differential will be tallied for tiebreaking purposes.

If two players lose head to head, whoever loses the least will be awarded the points.

The winner of the top division will be the champion of the season. There will be promotion and relegation, just like Rabi's Playground. The amount of people promoted or relegated will depend on the number of users that ultimately sign up. Ideally, it will be top three move up, bottom three move down.

Hopefully I explained it well enough! Send me a PM or post on the thread to sign up, and let's get this thing started!
Budgellism
12/4/11 5:59:15PM
I'm in
Rabi
12/4/11 5:59:54PM
Count me in, Im gonna post a link in my camp as well.
jjeans
12/4/11 6:03:47PM
jae_1833
12/4/11 6:04:03PM
I love the side games and am in as usual...I usually make small financial gains in each event too....more so than not at least. I just am a coward on putting too much on the line being part of a camp and all.
pmoney
12/4/11 6:06:05PM

Posted by jae_1833

I love the side games and am in as usual...I usually make small financial gains in each event too....more so than not at least. I just am a coward on putting too much on the line being part of a camp and all.



Nah, I wouldn't say that's cowardly! Being in a camp, you want to help your camp get that badge at the end of the season! Of course, most people would love to get top earner for either an event or a season as well. It's a fine line that us folks in camps walk.

I think it will make this game a little more interesting
shaneTpain
12/4/11 6:48:25PM
Im super in !
hotrodttt
12/4/11 7:51:46PM
I'm in, props to you guys
kopower
12/4/11 8:36:03PM
What the hell, count me in.
Playground_Samurai
12/4/11 9:09:29PM
i'm in
Poor_Franklin
12/4/11 10:17:44PM
in
Aether
12/5/11 3:44:06AM
I'll join in. I think you'll find this won't work out nearly as well as rabi's other sidegame though, because everyone starts back from 0 each event with points, whereas bankrolls are cumulative. If one guy loses his first matchup, he is automatically at a massive disadvantage if he's against someone who earned money for his next matchup.

It's sort of like going into final jeopardy where one player has way more money, and he knows that he can wager just enough to make it impossible for the other guy to win if he hits a certain parlay.

main-site season changes will also make it strange, as people's bankrolls will randomly reset in the middle of the season, evening the playing field. These things could also add some kind of strategy to the game, but it's more likely to just destabilize it and give whoever has a good start a massive advantage over anyone who doesn't.
pmoney
12/5/11 4:46:31AM

Posted by Aether

I'll join in. I think you'll find this won't work out nearly as well as rabi's other sidegame though, because everyone starts back from 0 each event with points, whereas bankrolls are cumulative. If one guy loses his first matchup, he is automatically at a massive disadvantage if he's against someone who earned money for his next matchup.

It's sort of like going into final jeopardy where one player has way more money, and he knows that he can wager just enough to make it impossible for the other guy to win if he hits a certain parlay.

main-site season changes will also make it strange, as people's bankrolls will randomly reset in the middle of the season, evening the playing field. These things could also add some kind of strategy to the game, but it's more likely to just destabilize it and give whoever has a good start a massive advantage over anyone who doesn't.



I think the game will work out fairly well. There are just that many more variables to it than just who scores more points. The bankrolls resetting will not be a factor. This side game starts with Season 12, so we will all be at $1,000. The game will run 9 weeks, though it can go 10 in the insanely unlikely event of a tie breaker. The next season will start with Season 13, and so forth.

The camp element is admittedly huge. Whether you are in a camp or not, you want to score as many points as possible. Conversely, wagers is quite the x-factor. Those in a camp may be prone to making more conservative wagers as opposed to a player who doesn't have others counting on him to make a positive gain. Such is the risk, and fun of entering the Kings of Cash sidegame

The scoring is one issue Rabi and I had discussed. Specifically, whether to score by the dollar amount won, or who increased their bankroll by the largest percentage. Going by percentage would probably level the playing field a little more, but either way, this will be a little more tricky, and involve a little more strategy.

I would certainly like to hear what you think Aether, as well as all other participants, regarding whether percentages or wager amount should be the scoring criteria. We have plenty of time before the game gets underway.
tattflash
12/5/11 9:04:02AM
count me in
emfleek
12/5/11 9:08:16AM
I'm in.
cowcatcher
12/5/11 10:10:07AM
I'm in too.
kingsmasher
12/5/11 11:54:50AM
Im in....I dont quite understand....but Im bout to win this next season...
Aether
12/5/11 12:22:16PM
percentages would probably be more fair. I think the advantage swings a little more toward the people with less money in that case, because someone with 1k can wager 100% of his bankroll with very little downside, whereas a guy with 100k will be putting his season / camp ranking in serious danger by wagering 100% of his roll.

I think it will be more fair than by dollar amount though and has less potential for abuse. It might also be a little better to give people with less money a slight edge anyway, because if you assume that the person with less money is worse at wagering, it isn't totally unfair to give the better wagerer a slight handicap to even the odds to a certain degree.
pmoney
12/5/11 1:32:29PM

Posted by Aether

percentages would probably be more fair. I think the advantage swings a little more toward the people with less money in that case, because someone with 1k can wager 100% of his bankroll with very little downside, whereas a guy with 100k will be putting his season / camp ranking in serious danger by wagering 100% of his roll.

I think it will be more fair than by dollar amount though and has less potential for abuse. It might also be a little better to give people with less money a slight edge anyway, because if you assume that the person with less money is worse at wagering, it isn't totally unfair to give the better wagerer a slight handicap to even the odds to a certain degree.



Definitely good points. I was considering these factors. My only issue is, if we went by percentages, that would almost be like punishing the players who may historically be better at wagering, and this game was essentially made for them. Well, that and to have another fun yet challenging side game! I would almost rather make it hard than simplify it. It may encourages some to get better in wagers too!

I really would love to get a vote from as many contestants as possible as to their preference. Ultimately, myself and Rabi will make the final call, but the extra insight never hurts

Kingsmasher - check out Rabi's MMA Playground, also in the sidegames forum. The brackets, rank and scoring will be very similar
danclarke1992
12/5/11 1:44:45PM
i'm in
Malaussie
12/5/11 6:50:38PM
count me in
pmoney
12/6/11 12:00:05PM
Alright folks! Just about two days in to signups, we already have 17 players. Hopefully we can end up with 30 or 40 before the game starts. If you know any users who may want to play, feel free to send out pm's, or post a link in your camp forums.
Bubbles
12/13/11 1:32:01AM
im in. ill make my wagers to help my camp first and foremost...then whatever happens here hopefully will be icing on the cake
sublime
12/15/11 12:17:21AM
im in
pmoney
12/19/11 3:39:33PM
We are at 19 players right now. I am going to close sign ups when we hit twenty. Here's how things are going to break down...

We will have two divisions of ten, everyone will go head to head over nine events . Since this is the first season, I wanted to do something different to crown the inaugural champion. The winners in the two divisions will go head to head in the tenth and final event of Season 12 to determine the champion of the first season.

The divisions will be created randomly, and after the first season, people will be promoted or demoted depending on their standings. All future champions will taken from what will be Division 1.

I think this will be a fair way to do the first season. Anyone can win, and your performance this season will determine which division you end up in next season. It's all random now, but season two will have the divisions sorted by rank this season, and all newcomers will fill out additional brackets and have to work their way to becoming champion through promotion.

Hopefully this redundant and poorly thought out explanation makes some sense! Good luck during Season 12 everyone, and good luck in your quest to become the first "King of Cash".

KungFuMaster
12/19/11 6:52:49PM
I'm in. Let's not go through the formalities and just give me all ya money, Suckas!
pmoney
12/20/11 3:29:43AM
Division 1

cowcatcher
pmoney
Rabi
Bubbles
shaneTpain
danclarke1992
KungFuMaster
kingsmasher
Playground_Samurai
tattflash

Round 1

cowcatcher v Bubbles
Rabi v danclarke1992
shaneTpain v kingsmasher
KungFuMaster v pmoney
Playground_Samurai v tattflash


Round 2

Bubbles v tattflash
pmoney v Playground_Samurai
kingsmasher v KungFuMaster
danclarke1992 v shaneTpain
cowcatcher v Rabi


Round 3

Rabi v Bubbles
shaneTpain v cowcatcher
KungFuMaster v danclarke1992
Playground_Samurai v kingsmasher
tattflash v pmoney


Round 4

Bubbles v pmoney
kingsmasher v tattflash
danclarke1992 v Playground_Samurai
cowcatcher v KungFuMaster
Rabi v shaneTpain


Round 5

shaneTpain v Bubbles
KungFuMaster v Rabi
Playground_Samurai v cowcatcher
tattflash v danclarke1992
pmoney v kingsmasher


Round 6

Bubbles v kingsmasher
danclarke1992 v pmoney
cowcatcher v tattflash
Rabi v Playground_Samurai
shaneTpain v KungFuMaster


Round 7

KungFuMaster v Bubbles
Playground_Samurai v shaneTpain
tattflash v Rabi
pmoney v cowcatcher
kingsmasher v danclarke1992


Round 8

Bubbles v danclarke1992
cowcatcher v kingsmasher
Rabi v pmoney
shaneTpain v tattflash
KungFuMaster v Playground_Samurai


Round 9

Playground_Samurai v Bubbles
tattflash v KungFuMaster
pmoney v shaneTpain
kingsmasher v Rabi
danclarke1992 v cowcatcher
pmoney
12/20/11 3:31:01AM
Division 2

Budgellism
JJeans
jae_1833
hotrodttt
kopower
Poor_Franklin
Aether
emfleek
Malaussie
sublime

Round 1

Budgellism v sublime
JJeans v Malaussie
jae_1833 v emfleek
hotrodttt v Aether
kopower v Poor_Franklin


Round 2

sublime v Poor_Franklin
Aether v kopower
emfleek v hotrodttt
Malaussie v jae_1833
Budgellism v JJeans


Round 3

JJeans v sublime
jae_1833 v Budgellism
hotrodttt v Malaussie
kopower v emfleek
Poor_Franklin v Aether


Round 4

sublime v Aether
emfleek v Poor_Franklin
Malaussie v kopower
Budgellism v hotrodttt
JJeans v jae_1833


Round 5

jae_1833 v sublime
hotrodttt v JJeans
kopower v Budgellism
Poor_Franklin v Malaussie
Aether v emfleek


Round 6

sublime v emfleek
Malaussie v Aether
Budgellism v Poor_Franklin
JJeans v kopower
jae_1833 v hotrodttt


Round 7

hotrodttt v sublime
kopower v jae_1833
Poor_Franklin v JJeans
Aether v Budgellism
emfleek v Malaussie


Round 8

sublime v Malaussie
Budgellism v emfleek
JJeans v Aether
jae_1833 v Poor_Franklin
hotrodttt v kopower


Round 9

kopower v sublime
Poor_Franklin v hotrodttt
Aether v jae_1833
emfleek v JJeans
Malaussie v Budgellism
Aether
12/22/11 3:02:51PM
nice "random" brackets there pmoney. LOL!

So have you decided on dollar amount or percentage? Personally I think percentage is the better way to go.
pmoney
12/23/11 4:20:09PM

Posted by Aether

nice "random" brackets there pmoney. LOL!

So have you decided on dollar amount or percentage? Personally I think percentage is the better way to go.



Whoa there! If you are insinuating these brackets aren't random, I can post the link for the bracket generator. Anyone who knows me will tell you I am neither smart nor ambitious enough to even fix a game for myself or anyone else. Also, look at my wagers history! It should be obvious I made this game for the community, not myself lol.

Having said that, I decided that straight up per event earnings will be the basis of the scoring per round. I feel earnings and percentages both have their pros and cons. In the end, I just feel earnings is more simple. The playing field is level to start the season, and as we all know... You can lose it all at anytime.

Also, even if someone has a gargantuan bankroll, say $250,000... If they wager $10,000, $100,000, whatever, and they lose, that person who just decided to ride with their prediction bonuses beat them.

I hope that method of scoring doesn't change your, or anyone elses, interest level in the game. I'm doing this Big John McCarthy style: I want a good, clean sidegame!
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