BJ "The Prodigy" Penn vs. Joe "Daddy" Stevenson Poll (take 2)

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POLL: BJ Penn vs. Joe Stevenson - who and how?
Penn- submission 48% (47)
Penn- KO/TKO 23% (22)
Penn Decision 10% (10)
Stevenson- submission 3% (3)
Stevenson - KO/TKO 9% (9)
Stevenson decision 6% (6)
Jackelope
11/6/07 5:59:01PM
I've seen several threads on this, but no polls as of yet-

So.. who's it going to be and how? I'd like to lean with the majority in favor of Penn, but Stevenson is one of those guys that not only is extremely likeable, but he's got a decent sized bag-o-tricks. Overall I'd say BJ's got the slight edge in every department except cardio. I'll be looking for a fireworks filled match up with a second round finish.
Gladiator
11/6/07 6:10:55PM
i'd say at lightweight penn's cardio problem will be non-existent. stevenson is a great fighter but penn fights great, i was really impressed by his performance in the first rounds of his fights against matt hughes and GSP. Penn is so ridiculously talented, i think his time has come to be champion and nobody, not even sherk, will be able to stop him. he seems very focused and well-disciplined in his cardio, obvioulsy enough to cut down to 155. dont get me wrong though, stevenson is very talented too but i dont think he ready for penn at this stage in his career. he will probably try to overpower penn on the ground with his strength and end up getting subbed. I say penn by submission in round 4.
tuvok500
11/6/07 6:21:15PM
I think that BJ will win by TKO referee stopage in 3th or 4th rounds !!

i don't see stevenson being trap in a sub but i can see him being TKO trying to escape a sub !!!



Stickan
11/6/07 6:31:36PM
I'd like to hear the one guy who thinks Daddy is going to submit BJ:s arguments on what makes him think that.
You never know in MMA but to me it sounds so almost impossible that I'd really like to hear his opinions about this fight.
Jackelope
11/6/07 6:36:47PM
I thought the same thing about Penn's cardio due to the fact that he'll be fighting at 155. Being lighter should help, but I'm not sure how much.

The way I figure it the later the fight goes the more of a chance Stevenson has in this one. I just don't see it going too far because both of these guys have a lot of skill on the ground. Stevenson also has his boxing to fall back on (he has a decent number of boxing matches) but after watching his last fight I'm not sure it's going to get him where he needs to be with BJ.

BJ has that crazy islander strength that can put a lot of guys to sleep early. (As we've seen)

All in all I picked BJ to find a mistake in Stevenson's ground game during a scramble for the sub.
nickcuc547
11/6/07 9:02:02PM
bj will tko daddy, stevenson will not be able to get the fight to the ground, bj's td defense is too good, i think bj will pick him apart and eventually land a big shot for the tko. if he doesnt get the tko i think he sinks in a rnc that was set up by strikes.
hammerhead1
11/6/07 10:00:32PM
that is a geat fight i really dont knoe who will win
kevietre
11/7/07 12:16:34AM
The one thing I'm afraid of is if BJ takes Daddy lightly. He's had so much top experience at welterweight that he might think the lightweight title is a gimme. I like BJ but he has been known to be cocky. BJ was a coach on TUF Joe was a contestant and BJ might think this is an easy fight. But hopefully Im wrong. BJ was never more focused in his entire career then he was against Jens recently so if he brings that same mentallity then he is unstoppable (yes against sherk too).
NatedawgThaM
11/8/07 1:57:43AM
Joe Stevenson by brutality!!!

BJ Penn's Cardio and Stamina is NO WHERE NEAR the elite in the division. I don't think he had great cardio against Jens. I just think it was a normal JJ match against one of his rookie students because Jens is not at all a ground specialist. He just forced him into rookie mistakes and tapped him. Don't even think he broke a sweat. I don't think his striking is that great up there with the elite, I don't think his wrestling is that great by his JJ is phenominal.

Joe on the other hand, has great cardio becuase his last few fights have been wars besides the Guillard fight since it didn't last long enough. His striking I believe is way better then BJ's. I think he's a better wrestler. I think his JJ is good enough not to be submitted.

I think he will push BJ to his limits and wear him out and tire him early. I think he just wears him down in the 1st but pressing an extremely fast pace. I think he just pounds on a worn out BJ penn in the 2nd. And stops him in the 3rd.

Joe by 3rd rd. TKO
mrsmiley
11/8/07 6:21:42AM
If you watch some of Stevenson's fights,he excellent at pinning his opponents to the ground and throwing elbows.However,I think Penn is more versatle and has a much larger arsenal of moves and techniques to dispatch against Stevenson.I think Joe has a bigger chance of winning this than what most fans would expect,and given the right opprotunity,he will capatilze any major mistake Penn makes in this bout.

I belive Stevenson can get the take down,but Penn is too well versed on his back and will catch his opponent in a mistake,and capatilize with a submission if Joe isn't careful.

I say this match goes two ways.Either Stevenson by TKO,or BJ by submission.
rameydl8
11/8/07 9:01:28AM

Posted by NatedawgThaM

Joe Stevenson by brutality!!!

BJ Penn's Cardio and Stamina is NO WHERE NEAR the elite in the division. I don't think he had great cardio against Jens. I just think it was a normal JJ match against one of his rookie students because Jens is not at all a ground specialist. He just forced him into rookie mistakes and tapped him. Don't even think he broke a sweat. I don't think his striking is that great up there with the elite, I don't think his wrestling is that great by his JJ is phenominal.

Joe on the other hand, has great cardio becuase his last few fights have been wars besides the Guillard fight since it didn't last long enough. His striking I believe is way better then BJ's. I think he's a better wrestler. I think his JJ is good enough not to be submitted.

I think he will push BJ to his limits and wear him out and tire him early. I think he just wears him down in the 1st but pressing an extremely fast pace. I think he just pounds on a worn out BJ penn in the 2nd. And stops him in the 3rd.

Joe by 3rd rd. TKO

Gladiator
11/8/07 10:36:29AM

Posted by NatedawgThaM

Joe Stevenson by brutality!!!

BJ Penn's Cardio and Stamina is NO WHERE NEAR the elite in the division. I don't think he had great cardio against Jens. I just think it was a normal JJ match against one of his rookie students because Jens is not at all a ground specialist. He just forced him into rookie mistakes and tapped him. Don't even think he broke a sweat. I don't think his striking is that great up there with the elite, I don't think his wrestling is that great by his JJ is phenominal.

Joe on the other hand, has great cardio becuase his last few fights have been wars besides the Guillard fight since it didn't last long enough. His striking I believe is way better then BJ's. I think he's a better wrestler. I think his JJ is good enough not to be submitted.

I think he will push BJ to his limits and wear him out and tire him early. I think he just wears him down in the 1st but pressing an extremely fast pace. I think he just pounds on a worn out BJ penn in the 2nd. And stops him in the 3rd.

Joe by 3rd rd. TKO



u dont think bj's cardio is that great but u also say that u dont think he even broke a sweat after nearly two rounds of fighting and holding jens on the ground? and u predict he will gas in the first round?

Even though BJ penn knocked out caol uno in 15 seconds, went five rounds with jens pulver at the age of 22, and completely owned GSP on the feet u still think joe daddy is the supperior striker why? i think the only legitimate striker joe daddy has faced was melvin guillard and he tapped him out before we could even see any exchanges on the feet.

joe's wrestling is obviously supperior but i really dont think that will be a problem for bj with he crazy TD defense. if anyone's cardio is in question i would think it would be joe daddy's cuz we've never seen him go five rounds but BJ Penn has gone five rounds twice at 155 in his career. cardio will not win joe daddy this fight, especially not in the 3rd round unless BJ breaks another rib.
NatedawgThaM
11/8/07 1:32:46PM

Posted by Gladiator


Posted by NatedawgThaM

Joe Stevenson by brutality!!!

BJ Penn's Cardio and Stamina is NO WHERE NEAR the elite in the division. I don't think he had great cardio against Jens. I just think it was a normal JJ match against one of his rookie students because Jens is not at all a ground specialist. He just forced him into rookie mistakes and tapped him. Don't even think he broke a sweat. I don't think his striking is that great up there with the elite, I don't think his wrestling is that great by his JJ is phenominal.

Joe on the other hand, has great cardio becuase his last few fights have been wars besides the Guillard fight since it didn't last long enough. His striking I believe is way better then BJ's. I think he's a better wrestler. I think his JJ is good enough not to be submitted.

I think he will push BJ to his limits and wear him out and tire him early. I think he just wears him down in the 1st but pressing an extremely fast pace. I think he just pounds on a worn out BJ penn in the 2nd. And stops him in the 3rd.

Joe by 3rd rd. TKO



u dont think bj's cardio is that great but u also say that u dont think he even broke a sweat after nearly two rounds of fighting and holding jens on the ground? and u predict he will gas in the first round?

Even though BJ penn knocked out caol uno in 15 seconds, went five rounds with jens pulver at the age of 22, and completely owned GSP on the feet u still think joe daddy is the supperior striker why? i think the only legitimate striker joe daddy has faced was melvin guillard and he tapped him out before we could even see any exchanges on the feet.

joe's wrestling is obviously supperior but i really dont think that will be a problem for bj with he crazy TD defense. if anyone's cardio is in question i would think it would be joe daddy's cuz we've never seen him go five rounds but BJ Penn has gone five rounds twice at 155 in his career. cardio will not win joe daddy this fight, especially not in the 3rd round unless BJ breaks another rib.



That was 5-6 YEARS AGO!!!! When BJ was actually IN SHAPE. Not to sound gay but he had a great toned body then but now he just looks like after he gave away the WW title he was sitting at home eating. He's looks chubby and does not have great cardio. Yeah he gave GSP & Matt Hughes problems but IMO they were easy fights to win the 1st round or two match up wise. Because when BJ is not tired he is one of the best fighters P4P. But after the mid-second he gases and looks horrible. He got tired and was out of shape with his barely decent cardio and GSP capitalized and pushed the pace and beat him easily late in the 2nd and the whole 3rd round. The Matt Hughes fight, PLEASE COME ON! It was JJ vs. Wrestling. Everybody knows JJ wins unless the wrestler is as good as Sean Sherk at LNP. Like you said he has a crazy sprawl. That's how he beat Matt, he knew he was going to shoot wants he domianted on the feet and was able to control and kick Matts ass. But sure enough his bad cardio kicks in and Matt Hughes just destroys him....

The Jens Pulver fight was not a fast paced at all! NO he didn't break a sweat. It's not like Jens came out swinging. He had a bad mental game and was scared of the fight hitting the floor and it happened anyways. Jens didn't show me nothing in that fight. Like I said he looked like one of BJ's rookie students who just came in yesterday. BJ just beat him with basic JJ fundamentals.

Joe presses a pretty mean pace. I ain't saying BJ's gonna die after the 1st, but I'm saying Joe presses a real mean pace that BJ can't handle for more then 2 minutes and then forces him into mistakes late into the 1st and just starts hammering down. Then the 2nd he just keeps that pace and BJ's bad conditioning sets in and the beating starts. He just unrelientlessly pounds on BJ in the 2nd. Then in the 3rd he stops him. BJ is going to take him lightly. Joe will take it seriously and train his ass off. Joe will outwreslte and outstrike him after about 4 mintues into the 1st and then BAM his starts pounding on him brutally.....

BJ ain't tapping him. He ain't the same BJ. He was only extremely motivated in the Pulver fight becuase he wanted revenge. I can only seeing him be that good agianst Hughes a 3rd time or GS_P a 2nd for revenge. He's had only one fight at 155 and you think he can run through everybody. I think he should stay at 170 because the 15 division just presses an extremely mean pace and his cardio is not good enough. I think the only top 5 he could beat is Sherk because Sherk ain't going to go all crazy with pressing the fight and BJ could capitalize...
Gladiator
11/8/07 3:41:56PM

Posted by NatedawgThaM


Posted by Gladiator


Posted by NatedawgThaM

Joe Stevenson by brutality!!!

BJ Penn's Cardio and Stamina is NO WHERE NEAR the elite in the division. I don't think he had great cardio against Jens. I just think it was a normal JJ match against one of his rookie students because Jens is not at all a ground specialist. He just forced him into rookie mistakes and tapped him. Don't even think he broke a sweat. I don't think his striking is that great up there with the elite, I don't think his wrestling is that great by his JJ is phenominal.

Joe on the other hand, has great cardio becuase his last few fights have been wars besides the Guillard fight since it didn't last long enough. His striking I believe is way better then BJ's. I think he's a better wrestler. I think his JJ is good enough not to be submitted.

I think he will push BJ to his limits and wear him out and tire him early. I think he just wears him down in the 1st but pressing an extremely fast pace. I think he just pounds on a worn out BJ penn in the 2nd. And stops him in the 3rd.

Joe by 3rd rd. TKO



u dont think bj's cardio is that great but u also say that u dont think he even broke a sweat after nearly two rounds of fighting and holding jens on the ground? and u predict he will gas in the first round?

Even though BJ penn knocked out caol uno in 15 seconds, went five rounds with jens pulver at the age of 22, and completely owned GSP on the feet u still think joe daddy is the supperior striker why? i think the only legitimate striker joe daddy has faced was melvin guillard and he tapped him out before we could even see any exchanges on the feet.

joe's wrestling is obviously supperior but i really dont think that will be a problem for bj with he crazy TD defense. if anyone's cardio is in question i would think it would be joe daddy's cuz we've never seen him go five rounds but BJ Penn has gone five rounds twice at 155 in his career. cardio will not win joe daddy this fight, especially not in the 3rd round unless BJ breaks another rib.



That was 5-6 YEARS AGO!!!! When BJ was actually IN SHAPE. Not to sound gay but he had a great toned body then but now he just looks like after he gave away the WW title he was sitting at home eating. He's looks chubby and does not have great cardio. Yeah he gave GSP & Matt Hughes problems but IMO they were easy fights to win the 1st round or two match up wise. Because when BJ is not tired he is one of the best fighters P4P. But after the mid-second he gases and looks horrible. He got tired and was out of shape with his barely decent cardio and GSP capitalized and pushed the pace and beat him easily late in the 2nd and the whole 3rd round. The Matt Hughes fight, PLEASE COME ON! It was JJ vs. Wrestling. Everybody knows JJ wins unless the wrestler is as good as Sean Sherk at LNP. Like you said he has a crazy sprawl. That's how he beat Matt, he knew he was going to shoot wants he domianted on the feet and was able to control and kick Matts ass. But sure enough his bad cardio kicks in and Matt Hughes just destroys him....

The Jens Pulver fight was not a fast paced at all! NO he didn't break a sweat. It's not like Jens came out swinging. He had a bad mental game and was scared of the fight hitting the floor and it happened anyways. Jens didn't show me nothing in that fight. Like I said he looked like one of BJ's rookie students who just came in yesterday. BJ just beat him with basic JJ fundamentals.

Joe presses a pretty mean pace. I ain't saying BJ's gonna die after the 1st, but I'm saying Joe presses a real mean pace that BJ can't handle for more then 2 minutes and then forces him into mistakes late into the 1st and just starts hammering down. Then the 2nd he just keeps that pace and BJ's bad conditioning sets in and the beating starts. He just unrelientlessly pounds on BJ in the 2nd. Then in the 3rd he stops him. BJ is going to take him lightly. Joe will take it seriously and train his ass off. Joe will outwreslte and outstrike him after about 4 mintues into the 1st and then BAM his starts pounding on him brutally.....

BJ ain't tapping him. He ain't the same BJ. He was only extremely motivated in the Pulver fight becuase he wanted revenge. I can only seeing him be that good agianst Hughes a 3rd time or GS_P a 2nd for revenge. He's had only one fight at 155 and you think he can run through everybody. I think he should stay at 170 because the 15 division just presses an extremely mean pace and his cardio is not good enough. I think the only top 5 he could beat is Sherk because Sherk ain't going to go all crazy with pressing the fight and BJ could capitalize...



i disagree about BJ gassing against hughes, i think it was a rib injury, but i see where u are coming from now. Joe Stevenson really has a legitimate chance at winning this but i just dont see it though. who knows, if stevenson brings his A-game and pushes the pace against BJ he might make him mess up... guess we will just have to see
CornishMMA
11/9/07 5:42:54AM
Yeah it fcking pissses me off and makes me go when people think he gassed againt Hughes!!!!!!! its so retarded cos he isnt gassed at all when it hits the ground mid way through the 2nd but then starting the 3rd he can barely breath! he DIDNT blow his wad going for the trinagle ffs! the medical report said that the broken rib was pressing on his left lung incapacitating his breathing, take a fighters lung away and find me any fighter that would be breathing heavy starting the 3rd

Also BJ looks in shape in the latest pics of him, very slim and cutting to 155 makes him come in in shape
Raiderz757
11/10/07 12:38:54AM
i like both fighters too much to be able to call this 1
kofranklin
11/10/07 10:39:10AM
Penn by submision in the 3rd.
keith-hackney1
11/12/07 10:02:12AM
bj penn will not win this fight !!! i bet he comes in under prepared and gets jarred by stevenson. I think a 3rd or 4th tko stoppage for the daddy.
ghettoprophet
11/13/07 10:41:15PM
I do think Penn has the edge on Stevenson, but I dont see anyone beating Sherk when he comes back. I dont really like to watch Sherk, but he knows how to play the game and win. Penn is much better at 155 but he has fought in almost every weight class, so we have never really seen him truly focused. Gomi is ranked #1 in the world and I think Sherk would make him part of the mat
Lay_N_Pray
11/14/07 11:34:12AM
Penn needs to submit Stevenson in the first three rounds if he wants to win. Joe is a cardio machine and a tremendous wrestler which could be big problems for BJ.

If I had to pick (which I do) I would say BJ wins by a 2nd round submission, but I would not be surprised to see Stevenson take it with a 4th round TKO.
cowcatcher
11/14/07 11:47:19AM
bj's striking is lightyears better than joesand thats going to be the difference in this fight. hes as tough as anyone to take down(which is what joe wants to do) and on the ground hes incredibly dangerous due to his flexibilty and strength. joe is a tough opponent for anyone, and has a ton of fights for a youngish guy(25) but bj is better at almost every facet of the fight game. as far as bjs cardio goes, first off its a title fight and i see him being in very good shape, im just hoping he doesnt blow his cardio cutting because that could be the one thing to make him vulnerable. i dont think joes guillotine is going to get bj and thats been joes best weapon lately so i see a fairly quick finish here rd 2 ko/tko for bj.
AchillesHeel
11/14/07 12:15:30PM

Posted by Lay_N_Pray

Penn needs to submit Stevenson in the first three rounds if he wants to win.





Posted by cowcatcher

bj's striking is lightyears better than joesand thats going to be the difference in this fight.










imho, of course.
Lay_N_Pray
11/14/07 5:33:25PM
Haha...I like the opinions, short and to the point, but I will rebute your opinion about my comment.

Penn will not KO Stevenson, which means the only way to win is by sub, and he cant hang 5 rounds with Stevenson's level of cardio, so he cant win by decision.

I agree Penn is a much more efficent and mature striker, but Stevenson has a good chin and more importantly sufficient defense. I dont see how Penn will be able to penetrate Stevenson's aggressivness for a takedown with a power shot.

While Penn probably has improved cardio, he would simply get out muscled in the later rounds. Stevenson has freak strength and would use raw power to get a decision in the last two rounds. This is my logic as to the only two possible outcomes of the fight in my opinion.

With that being said, I still think Penn is at a higher level right now and will be able to secure that early submission and have him winning the fight by a 2nd round via Sub.
Aaronno9
11/14/07 9:53:44PM
Penns striking may be better in mma, but lets not foget joe used to be an ameture boxer so its hard to say bjs striking is "light years" ahead. I think joe takes this by tko in the 4th, unless bj manages to sink a choke early :)
Jackelope
11/14/07 10:47:51PM
Although I picked BJ I am really pleasantly surprised at all the "Daddy" love. I thought most of the community would brush Joe aside as a joke.
stickyhash421
11/15/07 9:20:51PM

Posted by Gladiator

i'd say at lightweight penn's cardio problem will be non-existent. stevenson is a great fighter but penn fights great, i was really impressed by his performance in the first rounds of his fights against matt hughes and GSP. Penn is so ridiculously talented, i think his time has come to be champion and nobody, not even sherk, will be able to stop him. he seems very focused and well-disciplined in his cardio, obvioulsy enough to cut down to 155. dont get me wrong though, stevenson is very talented too but i dont think he ready for penn at this stage in his career. he will probably try to overpower penn on the ground with his strength and end up getting subbed. I say penn by submission in round 4.



im in total agreeance, except i think it will end in the 2nd or 3rd
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