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POLL: Should iit?
Yea! 43% (22)
NO! 29% (15)
I'm high right now! 27% (14)
deadcore
3/7/07 9:44:52AM
@shackle: You think alcohol should illegal? Yeah, that worked out really good the last time they tried it. Make pot legal is a good idea but making alcohol illegal is a shitty idea.
shackle
3/7/07 1:49:51PM
Why should alcohol be legal? people sit, and drink it all day, and have no life.

They are called alcoholics.

Seriously it's stupid to think beer or alcohol is fine, but pot isn't. Its just how American society sees pot as the worst damn thing on earth.

Also people that like to smoke pot all day on the couch are probably already doing that.

And being lazy isn't true with everyone... I was never lazy when I done it, and we had some good stuff.

I just don't get this "is ok the drink cause it's legal, and or high and mighty government says its ok. But if you smoke pot your a drug head or your a bad person." How in hell does that make since.... thats America for you.

I love America, but we do have a lot of major things wrong with our country... haha at least we are not Russia though guess you can be thankful.

And of course I agree with moderation, and not being able to drive while high.

The sames rules with booze should apply to legal pot.


Posted by fedorwins1


Posted by Ydoc


Posted by madmarck

If Nick Diaz were here he would vote Yes on your pole.



Hey, hey, Diaz might be a pothead, but he's no pole rider.

I think enough people are high enough as it is, I don't see the point in promoting a drug that goes hand and hand with laziness in America.



exactly! why should it be legal, so teenage kids or young adults can sit in their rooms or basments and blaze all day and not have a job or a life. i don't see why anyone would want to put harm on their body on purpose it's stupid as hell to me.

shackle
3/7/07 1:54:19PM
Yeah I agree...

But why is Alcohol legal when pot isn't what I was trying to say it makes no since. They affect you about the same way I think alcohol is much worst though.

Why are they not both illegal if pot has to be illegal. I know this has to do with American society, but it still makes no since at all.



Posted by deadcore

@shackle: You think alcohol should illegal? Yeah, that worked out really good the last time they tried it. Make pot legal is a good idea but making alcohol illegal is a shitty idea.

fedorwins1
3/7/07 2:09:29PM

Posted by shackle

Why should alcohol be legal? people sit, and drink it all day, and have no life.

They are called alcoholics.

Seriously it's stupid to think beer or alcohol is fine, but pot isn't. Its just how American society sees pot as the worst damn thing on earth.

Also people that like to smoke pot all day on the couch are probably already doing that.

And being lazy isn't true with everyone... I was never lazy when I done it, and we had some good stuff.

I just don't get this "is ok the drink cause it's legal, and or high and mighty government says its ok. But if you smoke pot your a drug head or your a bad person." How in hell does that make since.... thats America for you.

I love America, but we do have a lot of major things wrong with our country... haha at least we are not Russia though guess you can be thankful.

And of course I agree with moderation, and not being able to drive while high.

The sames rules with booze should apply to legal pot.


Posted by fedorwins1


Posted by Ydoc


Posted by madmarck

If Nick Diaz were here he would vote Yes on your pole.



Hey, hey, Diaz might be a pothead, but he's no pole rider.

I think enough people are high enough as it is, I don't see the point in promoting a drug that goes hand and hand with laziness in America.



exactly! why should it be legal, so teenage kids or young adults can sit in their rooms or basments and blaze all day and not have a job or a life. i don't see why anyone would want to put harm on their body on purpose it's stupid as hell to me.




First off your saying something I never even hinted at, and I said that people who purposly put harm on their bodies are dumb. That includes weed, cigarettes, alcohol, any other drug.
madmarck
3/7/07 2:31:15PM

Posted by deadcore

@shackle: You think alcohol should illegal? Yeah, that worked out really good the last time they tried it. Make pot legal is a good idea but making alcohol illegal is a shitty idea.


Pot is illegal from what i hear. And the last time alcohol was illegal. My country made millions selling it to yours on the black market. The Prohibiton in Canada wasn't really enforced. and the part I live in wasnt a part of Canada until 1949 so we have never experienced it.
loller90278
3/7/07 2:32:06PM
i hate to ruin all the potheads dreams but i don't think they're going to legalize it because they have no way of checking that you are under the influence at the moment. (DUI) until a breathalyzer for marijuana comes along, it's staying illegal.
madmarck
3/7/07 2:35:18PM

Posted by loller90278

i hate to ruin all the potheads dreams but i don't think they're going to legalize it because they have no way of checking that you are under the influence at the moment. (DUI) until a breathalyzer for marijuana comes along, it's staying illegal.


They can do test simliar to the DUI test, like walking along a line and touching your nose. And marijuana is very hard to detect though. But if cops know you are on some kinda drug they will just take you back to the station and make you piss in a cup so they can tell what it was.
Jeffanori-Gomi
3/7/07 2:53:53PM

Posted by madmarck


Posted by hippysmacker

I voted no , which might make me unpopular, but I will probably make more of you unhappy with this. I think anything that causes you to lose your reflexes or impairs your judgement should be illegal outside of your own home. That includes alcohol/prescription drugs etc.. I used to get high and drink in high school and the beginning of college. I almost died and killed people multiple times while doing so. I'm sure many people handle these things better than I do. Still, your judgement is impaired while on them . Both are also gateway drugs and lead to more hardcore stuff. I was affiliated with the legalize it movement in college, and still have friends that are. I understand all the arguments for and against. The supreme court ruled it legal that people smoking weed in the privacy of their own homes as long as they have less than 4 ounces and no children are present . If people drank and smoked only in their house and kept it to themselves and likewise thinking people then they are fine.Too many people get behind the wheel of a car or do stupid things to people who are not involved in it though. As for medical marijauna use, if people in pain like the effect of it so much , then I would allow a THC pill if I made the rules. All the legalize it people I know insist on smoking it instead, and are against this idea. Seems weird if there first concern was the peoples pain. Well, I don't make the laws so this is all purely academic. In closing , I think it should still be illegal anywhere outside your own home. Bars/restauraunts included. That's my opinion , sorry if you disagree, but it comes from a lot of experience and contemplation


Im with you Hippy smacka! i was the first one to vote no. And with the powerhouses of me and You against it i tihnk other people will do the same.
Pot is illegal. And has much as i love to Drink, Booze should be too. Tobacco for sure should be illegal. The only reason those 2 things aren't is the amount of Tax money that governments make off of them is huge.
If you outlawed them consumption would go down.
And why do drunk drivers only get warnings and shit. I say first time offender 6 months in jail and licese gone for a year. ON the Third strike throw em in jail for 5 and never give them a licsense. That will teach those morons a lesson.



Are you guys crazy!! jk Just because a few people have poor experiences with drugs/alcohol doesnt mean the rest of society has the same problems with abuse. Making/keeping drugs illegal keeps that particular market in the hands of Organized Crime without Government regulation. Making ciggarrettes illegal will not stop ciggarrette use only drive it underground into the hands of organized crime. Look what happened with government prohibition of Alcohol in the 30's. People still drank except all the money went to illegal governing bodies like the mob, instead of generating money for government regulated industry.

I agree the systems we have in place are flawed and there are great rammifications in the medical/social sectors of our society, but prohibtion will not work. Look at cocaine...illegal and yet still widely used. Why not employ Harm Reduction methods (Safe injection sites, Drug Awareness programs) instead of Waging a war Drugs, (by the way from a policing standpoint we have lost)

I'm straight edge, I rarely drink because I train. My friends drink and do drugs occasionally and I do not think flooding our court systems with a bunch of possession charges of recreational users not harming anyone would be socially or econimcally viable for anyone.

I think that attacking the greater social issues of WHY people abuse drugs, ex. poverty, abuse; we can better understand why some people abuse druges, where as the rest of society can manage just fine.
loller90278
3/7/07 6:36:43PM

Posted by madmarck


Posted by loller90278

i hate to ruin all the potheads dreams but i don't think they're going to legalize it because they have no way of checking that you are under the influence at the moment. (DUI) until a breathalyzer for marijuana comes along, it's staying illegal.


They can do test simliar to the DUI test, like walking along a line and touching your nose. And marijuana is very hard to detect though. But if cops know you are on some kinda drug they will just take you back to the station and make you piss in a cup so they can tell what it was.



the urine sample can take 1-2 hours, they (legally) can't hold you in prison for that time. it has to be done on the spot like the breathalyzer. and i personally dont agree with those line tests.. if ur faded trust me you can walk a straight line and touch your nose.
Trapt1nw0nder
3/7/07 7:15:40PM
if this guy thinks its cool,then its cool.....got it?

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madmarck
3/7/07 9:40:23PM

Posted by Jeffanori-Gomi

Are you guys crazy!! jk Just because a few people have poor experiences with drugs/alcohol doesnt mean the rest of society has the same problems with abuse. Making/keeping drugs illegal keeps that particular market in the hands of Organized Crime without Government regulation. Making ciggarrettes illegal will not stop ciggarrette use only drive it underground into the hands of organized crime. Look what happened with government prohibition of Alcohol in the 30's. People still drank except all the money went to illegal governing bodies like the mob, instead of generating money for government regulated industry.

I agree the systems we have in place are flawed and there are great rammifications in the medical/social sectors of our society, but prohibtion will not work. Look at cocaine...illegal and yet still widely used. Why not employ Harm Reduction methods (Safe injection sites, Drug Awareness programs) instead of Waging a war Drugs, (by the way from a policing standpoint we have lost)

I'm straight edge, I rarely drink because I train. My friends drink and do drugs occasionally and I do not think flooding our court systems with a bunch of possession charges of recreational users not harming anyone would be socially or econimcally viable for anyone.

I think that attacking the greater social issues of WHY people abuse drugs, ex. poverty, abuse; we can better understand why some people abuse druges, where as the rest of society can manage just fine.


While making things illegal does not stop usage. It greatly diminshes. If it is harder to get less people will get it. If it is illegal some people would morally not do it while if it were legal people would not feel guilty about trying it.
Svartorm
3/7/07 11:47:50PM

Posted by loller90278


Posted by madmarck


Posted by loller90278

i hate to ruin all the potheads dreams but i don't think they're going to legalize it because they have no way of checking that you are under the influence at the moment. (DUI) until a breathalyzer for marijuana comes along, it's staying illegal.


They can do test simliar to the DUI test, like walking along a line and touching your nose. And marijuana is very hard to detect though. But if cops know you are on some kinda drug they will just take you back to the station and make you piss in a cup so they can tell what it was.



the urine sample can take 1-2 hours, they (legally) can't hold you in prison for that time. it has to be done on the spot like the breathalyzer. and i personally dont agree with those line tests.. if ur faded trust me you can walk a straight line and touch your nose.



Granted, I got this off of COPS, so take it with a grain of salt, but an officer doing a road test on a dude who was smoking meth did a test where he moved his finger between his eyeballs, and said you can't cross your eyes when you're high on pot (the guy claimed he'd been smoking pot, and not meth).

As for the piss test, thats state regulated. In New Hampshire, when you get your drivers licence, you consent to taking blood, urine or breath tests if stopped by a police officer and are suspected of being under the influence. If you refuse to take a breath test or piss test, you're arrested for refusal, which I think is punishable by 60 days in jail and a $1000 fine, so you're probably better off just pissing in the cup and being charged with DUI.
Rich78
3/8/07 6:49:32AM
Here in the England they also do the cross eyed test, and also get you to count to thirty in your head then tell them when you've reached it. If you're high, apparently, you'll get there after like 20 seconds or something. Which I would disagree with; 20 seconds of thinking in my head when baked and my mind turns automatically to biscuit and crisps! Or cookies and chips as the terms are lol.

That said its not big and its not clever and I would certainly never drink or smoke and drive.

madmarck
3/8/07 7:58:52AM

Posted by Svartorm
Granted, I got this off of COPS, so take it with a grain of salt, but an officer doing a road test on a dude who was smoking meth did a test where he moved his finger between his eyeballs, and said you can't cross your eyes when you're high on pot (the guy claimed he'd been smoking pot, and not meth).

As for the piss test, thats state regulated. In New Hampshire, when you get your drivers licence, you consent to taking blood, urine or breath tests if stopped by a police officer and are suspected of being under the influence. If you refuse to take a breath test or piss test, you're arrested for refusal, which I think is punishable by 60 days in jail and a $1000 fine, so you're probably better off just pissing in the cup and being charged with DUI.



In most places the charge for refusing to take a roadside test is actually worse than anyhting you could be on. I believer where i live you will actually ge twice the time by refusing the test where as if you just admit your on somthing you will get not so much time in the slammer.
CincySaint
3/8/07 10:16:26PM
Marijuana is like a Weapon, in the hands of the sane it is a fine tool, but in the hands of an idiot it is dangerous. And just like with guns all of the idiots can shoot themselves in the head for all I care. I'll be out back firing up and firing off a few...Im out!!!

Jeffanori-Gomi
3/9/07 12:53:36AM

Posted by madmarck


Posted by Jeffanori-Gomi

Are you guys crazy!! jk Just because a few people have poor experiences with drugs/alcohol doesnt mean the rest of society has the same problems with abuse. Making/keeping drugs illegal keeps that particular market in the hands of Organized Crime without Government regulation. Making ciggarrettes illegal will not stop ciggarrette use only drive it underground into the hands of organized crime. Look what happened with government prohibition of Alcohol in the 30's. People still drank except all the money went to illegal governing bodies like the mob, instead of generating money for government regulated industry.

I agree the systems we have in place are flawed and there are great rammifications in the medical/social sectors of our society, but prohibtion will not work. Look at cocaine...illegal and yet still widely used. Why not employ Harm Reduction methods (Safe injection sites, Drug Awareness programs) instead of Waging a war Drugs, (by the way from a policing standpoint we have lost)

I'm straight edge, I rarely drink because I train. My friends drink and do drugs occasionally and I do not think flooding our court systems with a bunch of possession charges of recreational users not harming anyone would be socially or econimcally viable for anyone.

I think that attacking the greater social issues of WHY people abuse drugs, ex. poverty, abuse; we can better understand why some people abuse druges, where as the rest of society can manage just fine.


While making things illegal does not stop usage. It greatly diminshes. If it is harder to get less people will get it. If it is illegal some people would morally not do it while if it were legal people would not feel guilty about trying it.



Actually you are quite wrong. I just finished a research paper on the Validity of Safe injection sites and an offshoot of that I did research on hard drug use correlational to crime. If you want I could email you my paper and you can check my sources, they are quite frightening
madmarck
3/9/07 8:22:51AM

Posted by Jeffanori-Gomi


Posted by madmarck

While making things illegal does not stop usage. It greatly diminshes. If it is harder to get less people will get it. If it is illegal some people would morally not do it while if it were legal people would not feel guilty about trying it.



Actually you are quite wrong. I just finished a research paper on the Validity of Safe injection sites and an offshoot of that I did research on hard drug use correlational to crime. If you want I could email you my paper and you can check my sources, they are quite frightening



Im not sure how what you said is disagreeing with me. Ill send you a PM with my Email so i can read that paper. It sounds intresting.
ffforgottenx
3/9/07 9:43:09AM
hm.. i guess im late on adding to this.. but yea.. just saw it.. so..

i blaze
my vote is yes
that is all
mkiv9secsupra
3/11/07 6:04:19AM
personally....i dont care...ive done my deal with drugs....was incarcirated because of it.....what do i care what other ppl do?! some people get into a cage with trained fighters and get punched 20 - 30 times.....thats obviously more dangerous to health than weed but you support mma?!
Trapt1nw0nder
3/11/07 6:46:20AM

Posted by mkiv9secsupra

personally....i dont care...ive done my deal with drugs....was incarcirated because of it.....what do i care what other ppl do?! some people get into a cage with trained fighters and get punched 20 - 30 times.....thats obviously more dangerous to health than weed but you support mma?!




i think this is the smartest post yet......Props4U!

you wouldnt like MMA to be illegal would you?

thats what fighters want to do..thats what makes them happy...so why cant we smoke weed if it makes us happy?


of course if you cant handle it then you shouldnt smoke it,but if you are cool and can handle it well like i can,then you should be able to smoke it if you want.



i think if you have not even tried weed for a long period of time you shouldnt be posting in here.....cuz of course,the first time you try it you will TRIP you the f#ck out,and some will prolly stop and judge it on that experience,but if you keep smoking it regularly it will just make you feel good
hippysmacker
3/11/07 6:56:50AM
Your reasoning is flawed IMO. Logically if anyone was allowed to what made them happy we would have no laws. Anarchy would abound as rapist and child molesters would say " hey it makes me happy, who r u to judge? " A better argument would be if it's not hurting anyone but me, I can do it. That's a whole different discussion though as I think marijuana hurts society as a whole. Any way, just felt that needed to be pointed out
Trapt1nw0nder
3/11/07 8:19:27AM

Posted by hippysmacker

Your reasoning is flawed IMO. Logically if anyone was allowed to what made them happy we would have no laws. Anarchy would abound as rapist and child molesters would say " hey it makes me happy, who r u to judge? " A better argument would be if it's not hurting anyone but me, I can do it. That's a whole different discussion though as I think marijuana hurts society as a whole. Any way, just felt that needed to be pointed out



ok...from something as simple as sparking up a bowl and having a good time,to being a rapist,and child molester is something totally out of the park.

Alcohol also hurts society....Tabacco hurts society......freaking cars(pollution) hurts Society...Sex..hurts Society...all legal(im not saying i dont support none of these,im just saying its just a risk we have to live with..)

well,im not gonna write a book,since i dont really care if its legal or not,cuz im still gonna buy it and grow it with ease especially living in south texas where you can get 5 grams for $5
mkiv9secsupra
3/11/07 5:00:09PM

Posted by hippysmacker

Your reasoning is flawed IMO. Logically if anyone was allowed to what made them happy we would have no laws. Anarchy would abound as rapist and child molesters would say " hey it makes me happy, who r u to judge? " A better argument would be if it's not hurting anyone but me, I can do it. That's a whole different discussion though as I think marijuana hurts society as a whole. Any way, just felt that needed to be pointed out




we arent asking to make immoral things legal(rape, murder, etc) legal. i agree its going to keep a lot more POS people on the streets but since when is it against the law to be a drain on society? let the POS people do what they want...ive got a career, a baby on the way, and i pay taxes....obviously people like me arent hurting the society.
hippysmacker
3/11/07 6:20:13PM
Once again people disagree on morality, and I think it should be illegal to be a drain on society. I agree some of the things you pointed out ( except sex) hurt society, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because OJ got away with murder doesn't mean I should too. In a just world we would both ne convicted of murder. There is enough bad things harmful to health and society , I see no reason to compound it with another.
We_Todd_Did
3/12/07 5:53:24AM
People keep bringing up morality, and I suppose morality is a highly subjective term, but MY morality tells me that the Federal Government incarcerating thousands of people annually for doing something that was of no harm to anyone except (potentially) themselves is inexcusably wrong:

-According to a 2004 Bureau of Justice Statistics survey of state and Federal prisoners, approximately 12.7% of state prisoners and 12.4% of Federal prisoners were serving time for a marijuana-related offense.

source:Bureau of Justice Statistics, Drug Use and Dependence, State and Federal Prisoners, 2004, October 2006

My common sense tells me that the war on drugs is an utter failure, targeted at the symptom rather than the cause, and aiming more at punishing casual users than getting dealers off of the streets:

-There were a total of 1,846,351 state and local arrests for drug abuse violations in the United States during 2005. Of the drug arrests, 4.9% were for marijuana sale/manufacturing and 37.7% were for marijuana possession

source: whitehousedrugpolicy.org

People may argue that it "makes you dumb, lazy, etc.", and that may be true in SOME cases of weak-minded individuals who probably had a predisposition to such faults anyhow. One could also reply to that notion "So what?".How is someone else's dullness or laziness hurting you in your day-to day life any more than the typical faults of the human condition which already exist?I'm not going to attempt to un-brainwash anyone who has fallen victim to misinformation or popular propaganda here because that took years to imbed into the minds of thousands, and I don't have that kind of time.I will say, however, that this McCarthy-esque witch hunt has done countless damage to the lives of many otherwise totally law-abiding citizens (not in every case, but in many), and that does weigh heavy on my conscience for being part of a country which allows such things.If an adult chooses to do something with/to their own body which has no negative repercussions on the next person, why not allow them to make that decision for themselves?

So, basically, I voted yes.

FLAMarlins35
3/12/07 8:58:57AM
all it does is kill you so go ahead have fun while it lasts
madmarck
3/12/07 9:52:05AM

Posted by Trapt1nw0nder


Posted by hippysmacker

Your reasoning is flawed IMO. Logically if anyone was allowed to what made them happy we would have no laws. Anarchy would abound as rapist and child molesters would say " hey it makes me happy, who r u to judge? " A better argument would be if it's not hurting anyone but me, I can do it. That's a whole different discussion though as I think marijuana hurts society as a whole. Any way, just felt that needed to be pointed out



ok...from something as simple as sparking up a bowl and having a good time,to being a rapist,and child molester is something totally out of the park.

Alcohol also hurts society....Tabacco hurts society......freaking cars(pollution) hurts Society...Sex..hurts Society...all legal(im not saying i dont support none of these,im just saying its just a risk we have to live with..)

well,im not gonna write a book,since i dont really care if its legal or not,cuz im still gonna buy it and grow it with ease especially living in south texas where you can get 5 grams for $5


Thats why governments are cracking down on Pollution ,, making it harder for people to smoke (no public places where i live). Drinking hurts big time and thats why they have programs like AA to help people who are addicts. Sex hurts no one unless you do it rough.
I think Laws are in place for a reason. Some i agree with some i dont. But i try to adbide by them mostly. Sure some things dont hurt. Like having a few beers when you are 18 instead of 19.
hcazlekker
3/12/07 1:07:19PM
In 1996, local law enforcement agencies made an estimated 1,467,300 arrests nationwide for driving under the influence of alcohol.
www.drug-rehabs.org

Alcohol availability is closely related to violent assaults. Communities and neighborhoods that have more bars and liquor stores per capita experience more assaults Scribner, R. A., MacKinnon, D.P., and Dwyer, J.H. "The risk of assaultive violence and alcohol availability in Los Angeles County". American Journal of Public Health 3(85):335-340. 1995.

Four in ten criminal offenders report alcohol as a factor in violence.
www.drug-rehabs.org

In 1997, 40 percent of convicted rape and sexual assault offenders said that they were drinking at the time of their crime [Greenfield, L., and Henneberg, M. "Alcohol, crime, and the criminal justice system." Alcohol & Crime: Research and Practice for Prevention, Alcohol Policy XII Conference: Washington, DC, 11-14 June 2000.

2002, more than 70,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 were victims of alcohol-related sexual assault in the U.S. Hingson, R., Heeren, T., et al. (2002). "Magnitude of alcohol-related mortality and morbidity among U.S. college students ages 18-24." Journal of Studies on Alcohol 63(2): 136-144.

Among spouse violence victims, three out of four incidents were reported to have involved alcohol use by the offender. www.drug-rehabs.org

Alcohol use is frequently associated with violence between intimate partners. Two-thirds of victims of intimate partner violence reported that alcohol was involved in the incident. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/ac.pdf . Accessed 9.26.03

43% of Americans have been exposed to alcoholism in their families www.drug-rehabs.org


Alcohol is bad, mmkay.

ffforgottenx
3/14/07 2:49:50PM
hahahahahahahahaha

dont ask me how i came across this.. but..

bj penn high?

check out your boy bj.. i have no sound on this computer so i dont know what they are saying, but he looks high.. his eyes look a little slanty there haha
loller90278
3/14/07 3:03:20PM

Posted by hippysmacker

Once again people disagree on morality, and I think it should be illegal to be a drain on society. I agree some of the things you pointed out ( except sex) hurt society, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because OJ got away with murder doesn't mean I should too. In a just world we would both ne convicted of murder. There is enough bad things harmful to health and society , I see no reason to compound it with another.



O.J IS INNOCENT! HOW DARE YOU?!
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