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Lay_N_Pray
3/30/07 4:54:08PM
Since most of you on this board seem educated I figured I would throw out some politics. I'm hoping you all have more to say about Bush then he is a redneck and what not, some good opinions are always interesting to read.

I of course think Bush lost control of his administration and to give him some credit he was hit hard with plenty of problems many other presidents have never had to face. I do think its time to get out of Iraq but we do need to do it at a good pace not all at once.

I also think there was way to much pork on the bill congress passed. What is a peanut package industry have anything to do with us in Iraq. I give credit to Pelosi for being a badass and getting that thing passed though.

Early favorites for me for next election are Barak Obama and Gulliani. I think Rudy would be great in getting this foreign affair shit taken care of and I think Obama has a lot of great policy plans for domestic issues. As of now its between those two for me.
cowcatcher
3/30/07 5:05:18PM
im almost tempted to vote for hillary just to get bill back in the white house and let the hilarity ensue
Trapt1nw0nder
3/30/07 5:53:34PM
i think bush is cool man,i dont know why so many people hate him...He is just trying to protect us from "Evil Do-ers".........there are just too many people with time on their hands and all they like to do is complain.They want Bush to retreat from Iraq and bring the soldiers home and such,but i would bet anything that if Bush would of never invaded Iraq after 9/11 and there was an other attack on us shortly after,people would of been complaining and yelling.."Ohh Bush why didnt you do anything to stop this?!?!"...

Bush for president!!!

ps...im high so...

hippysmacker
3/30/07 6:26:49PM
I never liked Clinton, and while I agree with some of the policy's Bush has done, he has really let me down. I'm not a republican, I'm a political conservative, and I feel he hasn't lived up to the things he ran on. Same thing with Clinton, he ran on issues , and then did whatever he could get away with. Both of these guys have been huge dissapointments to me. Mostly I want honesty in a president. I understand that for NATL. security issues we cant;, and don 't need to know, everything. Still, Reagan and Carter were at least mostly honest men. whteher you agree with the policy's they enacted or not, they at least tried to do the things they ran on, I'm not mad at Bush for Iraq, or Katrina. Those things happened , and they had to deal with them. I'm mad about his fiscal irresponsibility. I don't think an even mostly honest politician will ever be elected again. It's sad, but at least our governments system of checks and balances keeps things from going into complete chaos. It's still the best country in the world IMO, and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. It could be better though.
jdubs
3/30/07 6:50:32PM
first off screw obama, second rudy is the best bet for republicans except for his gun controll and pro abortion bullshit. im am a republican and i think im going to sit this election out.... lets all hope savage runs...

HELL YEA.. WAR SAVAGE
deadcore
3/30/07 7:16:13PM
i don't think it really matters who we vote for. by the time their first term is over the USA won't even exist.
Gladiator
3/30/07 8:53:53PM
how could not like this guy as president? lets see Hilary get a record that good for four fights.
fedorwins1
3/30/07 8:59:38PM
When Clinton was president everything was good people had jobs, when Bush is president, we get in a war .

Alot of people didn't like Clinton because of his personal life, but as a president he was a good one.

It's kinda weird how Bush is our president. He was a party machine in college and from what I heard has smoked the reefer a few times also, and his vocabulary is horrible and he can't talk for crap. He's also killing Americans for no reason.
jdubs
3/30/07 10:10:41PM
are you seriuos?, besides the fact you are 16 or 17. for the most part the economy during the bush administration has been great, including employment. the unemployment rate is at such a bare minimal right now. the only problem i have with him is that he needs to have more balls when dealing with illegals and the war. its people like you that get our boys killed over there by just adding fuel to the fire of the enemy. you sound like rosie odonald talking her shit
loller90278
3/30/07 11:02:54PM



i stay out of politics. so should everyone before they are 35.
fedorwins1
3/30/07 11:08:59PM

Posted by jdubs

are you an idiot, besides the fact you are 16 or 17. for the most part the economy during the bush administration has been great, including employment. the unemployment rate is at such a bare minimal right now. the only problem i have with him is that he needs to have more balls when dealing with illegals and the war. its people like you that get our boys killed over there by just adding fuel to the fire of the enemy. you sound like rosie odonald talking her shit





how in my post anywhere did i "add fuel to the fire"?

and how does what i say on an internet forum make more americans die?
jdubs
3/31/07 12:14:21AM

Posted by fedorwins1


Posted by jdubs

are you an idiot, besides the fact you are 16 or 17. for the most part the economy during the bush administration has been great, including employment. the unemployment rate is at such a bare minimal right now. the only problem i have with him is that he needs to have more balls when dealing with illegals and the war. its people like you that get our boys killed over there by just adding fuel to the fire of the enemy. you sound like rosie odonald talking her shit





how in my post anywhere did i "add fuel to the fire"?

and how does what i say on an internet forum make more americans die?



nice edit job
Svartorm
3/31/07 2:20:42AM
First off, I'm Conservative Republican. As for who I'd like to see be president, I'd like Newt Gingrich or Duncan Hunter. I very much doubt either will get in though. Failing that Mitt Romney has an alright shot because he has the funding to get in, and McCain does as well, although hes a broken man and not fit to be a leader. Gulliani is a RINO.

As for Bush, I'm rather indifferent towards him, although if he shows a backbone in the last part of his administration I'll probably end up liking him. After the last elections, there are some serious ******* moonbats in office that can cause a lot of problems. The American people were so busy trying to send Bush a "message" that they shot themselves in the foot.

I'm firmly against the democratic party because I'm very much opposed to welfare, taxes, and social programs. I believe that the less government we have, the better off we are.

As for the war, I'm all for it. If the general population was actually educated they'd probably realize the Middle East was bound to blow up eventually and the war is an neccessity, and that 3,000+ lives lost, which tragic in its own right, is a joke in terms of warfare. Find me an occupation that lasted this long with only 3000 lives lost. A good chunk of the American public doesn't follow history or think critically about current events though, and the combination of that and a leftist media tends to sway public opinion, as most mainstream media only runs tragic stories, as thats what gets you to watch/read.
hippysmacker
3/31/07 2:50:23AM
If I could pick one person to be president, besides myself of course, I would picl Alan Keyes, However, he is too honest to ever win. His own party hates him IMO, becasue he points out there hypocrisy.
Svartorm
3/31/07 2:57:32AM
Not to mention hes black and therefore would never get elected. Hes actually too Christian conservative for me. You might want to look into Sam Brownback, whos similar, but would probably stand a better chance of winning.
hippysmacker
3/31/07 3:03:08AM
he's too Mormon for me
Svartorm
3/31/07 3:16:51AM
Hes a Mormon? I read on a website about him that he was a Born-Again Christian. Then again, it was a website telling people not to vote for him, so I guess it should have been taken with a grain of salt anyways.
loller90278
3/31/07 4:31:16AM

Posted by Svartorm


I'm firmly against the democratic party because I'm very much opposed to welfare, taxes, and social programs. I believe that the less government we have, the better off we are.




so you agree more with HAYEK aye ? (economist) rather than that english fellow..
iwannabesedated
4/1/07 7:16:58PM
well between Barack and Hillary....i must say...BROS BEFORE HOES....right.
Manfred
4/2/07 3:47:16AM
I think it's funny how Hilary is acting like a moderate.
In 2004, she was the 3rd most liberal senator based on voting record. (after Kennedy and Kerry)
Kerry got hammered for that and now she is the 2nd most CONSERVATIVE senator for the democrats.

So transparent it's ridiculous.

Obama is too green to be President. Period. (oh, and his name is too close to Osama)

Rudy has never done anything on the state or national level and was getting killed in the polls pre- 9/11. And he has a ton of skeletons. Both personal and political

McCain is getting old (72 in 2008, I think) but he's the best choice for me. Fiscal and foreign conservative but a social moderate. Not a blatant Bible-humper (no offense to religous folks in here) and very experienced.

We've had a BUSH or CLINTON in the White House (counting VPs) for almost 30 YEARS!
Enough already, both families need to go away before we end up with Chelsea Clinton vs. George P. Bush (Jeb's son) in 2032.
Lay_N_Pray
4/2/07 3:27:28PM
McCain...I really liked the guy for a long time until two years ago he said this...

Mixed Martial Arts is human cockfighting and it should be illegal everywhere.

I understand the guy is a war vet and probably faced some nasty shit, but you cant take away the sport and expect to get my vote.

Im not conservative or democratic though so I still don't know who to vote for.

I support the war but it is time to start slowly leaving...let them kill each other.

I also am not a huge fan of welfare, but democrats have some good ideas i like, but the lines are fading to the middle so it doesnt matter anymore
Svartorm
4/2/07 11:27:55PM
McCain has actually changed his stance on MMA now that it has more rules. Hes apparently cool with it now.

As for Democrats and good ideas, the three main issues being dealt with this election cycle by Dems are (universal) healthcare, global warming, and leaving Iraq. Which of these do you think is the good idea?
mkiv9secsupra
4/3/07 12:12:53AM

Posted by Svartorm

McCain has actually changed his stance on MMA now that it has more rules. Hes apparently cool with it now.

As for Democrats and good ideas, the three main issues being dealt with this election cycle by Dems are (universal) healthcare, global warming, and leaving Iraq. Which of these do you think is the good idea?



leave iraq, i dont believe in war but my religion tells me to forgive ppl, and if they want to murder ppl then so be it. on the other hand i see exactly why they are still there.

Global warming? BS, we are making leaps and bounds in sciences, it is a situation to keep an eye on but we'll find a way around all that crap.

Healthcare... The most probable for aiding me... this is my main concern..
Svartorm
4/3/07 12:19:10AM
The most probable for aiding you, at everyone elses expense. Welcome to communism.

I think if I'm paying for someone elses healthcare, I should also have the option of knocking cigarettes and candybars out of peoples mouths and forcing them to run and do push-ups, but I don't think thats going to happen.

If someone wants to live a life of beer, smoking, bad eating habits and laziness, they have every right to do so, but they have to live with the consequences of hearth attacks, strokes, diabetis, cancer, and shorter life expectancy. Productive, healthy citizens shouldn't be brought to task to pay for the rest.
Manfred
4/3/07 12:40:01AM

Posted by Lay_N_Pray

McCain...I really liked the guy for a long time until two years ago he said this...

Mixed Martial Arts is human cockfighting and it should be illegal everywhere.




1. As much as I love MMA, I would never let it influence my Presidential vote.

3. McCain said that back in the late 90's, not two years ago. Long before there was commission involvement.

2. Dana himself said he credits McCain with the growth of the sport. Without that pressure, it would've never declined into the "dark years" which forced not only the sale, but the rules and commissions' involvement.
Manfred
4/3/07 12:46:01AM

Posted by mkiv9secsupra

Healthcare... The most probable for aiding me... this is my main concern..



I've lived in England, Germany, Saudi and Hungary. All have universal health care. There are usual major problems and the quality is often lower at the "government" hospitals.

These countries (with the exception of Saudi) also have 17-25% sales tax and 40-50% income tax to pay for this kind of thing.

Reduce lawsuits and limit court payouts if you want health care costs to come down in the US
mkiv9secsupra
4/3/07 12:46:48AM

Posted by Svartorm

The most probable for aiding you, at everyone elses expense. Welcome to communism.

I think if I'm paying for someone elses healthcare, I should also have the option of knocking cigarettes and candybars out of peoples mouths and forcing them to run and do push-ups, but I don't think thats going to happen.

If someone wants to live a life of beer, smoking, bad eating habits and laziness, they have every right to do so, but they have to live with the consequences of hearth attacks, strokes, diabetis, cancer, and shorter life expectancy. Productive, healthy citizens shouldn't be brought to task to pay for the rest.



i understand your point... ha and i can assure you that i dont smoke (i do drink occasionally) and i do excerise and work full time... but i dont earn enough for me, my fiance, and i need medicaid to help me with the my babys (due in just over a month) expenses like hospital bills, etc. other than that i dont use the govt healthcare...
Svartorm
4/3/07 12:56:45AM
All the illegal immigrants who sneak into our country to have children, so that their children are American citizens, also need medicaid to pay for their babies. The reason hospitals charge so much is to make up for the costs, as well as the bullshit settlements Manfred brought up.

Not to be an asshole or anything, but having a baby you can't pay for is just as bad as smoking, drinking and all that. You're still needlessly draining the system. Don't get me wrong, if someone gets smoked by a car and needs medical attention, they should get it, but people shouldn't be brought to task for another persons lack of foresight into their own lives.
Svartorm
4/3/07 12:58:14AM

Posted by Manfred


Posted by mkiv9secsupra

Healthcare... The most probable for aiding me... this is my main concern..



I've lived in England, Germany, Saudi and Hungary. All have universal health care. There are usual major problems and the quality is often lower at the "government" hospitals.

These countries (with the exception of Saudi) also have 17-25% sales tax and 40-50% income tax to pay for this kind of thing.

Reduce lawsuits and limit court payouts if you want health care costs to come down in the US



Thanks for the imput bro. Just out of curiousity, how does Saudi Arabia off-set the costs? Something to do with oil revenue?
mkiv9secsupra
4/3/07 1:20:22AM

Posted by Svartorm

All the illegal immigrants who sneak into our country to have children, so that their children are American citizens, also need medicaid to pay for their babies. The reason hospitals charge so much is to make up for the costs, as well as the bullshit settlements Manfred brought up.

Not to be an asshole or anything, but having a baby you can't pay for is just as bad as smoking, drinking and all that. You're still needlessly draining the system. Don't get me wrong, if someone gets smoked by a car and needs medical attention, they should get it, but people shouldn't be brought to task for another persons lack of foresight into their own lives.



so just because i never grew up with money and dont have very much now means i should be punished? thats bullshit... i work just as hard as you maybe harder. I didnt say i cant afford the baby...a hospital bill is sooo much more...thousands of dollars just for a delivery. i can afford everything else just barely...
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