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Adrenaline
9/20/12 8:42:44PM

Posted by Bubbles


Posted by Franklinfan47

In Canada we kill our animals like real men by beating them with bats. But only if youre a baby seal.


hockey sticks > baseball bats




I prefer to tickle them with a feather duster.
Franklinfan47
9/20/12 11:28:27PM
I just dont see the appeal of shooting animals, especially when they are endangered. When I want to shoot something, I go to the gun store in vegas. I mean come on, you can shoot:



Zombies



or.....

Zombie Osama!

infestructure
9/21/12 12:56:11AM

Posted by Franklinfan47

I just dont see the appeal of shooting animals, especially when they are endangered. When I want to shoot something, I go to the gun store in vegas. I mean come on, you can shoot:




Interesting, it's illegal to shoot man shaped targets in New Zealand.
cowcatcher
9/21/12 1:00:28AM

Posted by infestructure


Posted by Franklinfan47

I just dont see the appeal of shooting animals, especially when they are endangered. When I want to shoot something, I go to the gun store in vegas. I mean come on, you can shoot:




Interesting, it's illegal to shoot man shaped targets in New Zealand.



Yet another reason to say:

infestructure
9/21/12 1:06:38AM

Posted by Cooler


Posted by george112


Posted by Cooler


Posted by george112


Posted by Cooler


Posted by george112

When I read the thread title I was already thinking how I was gonna post about this bothering me for some reason


I personally have been hunting a few times. Hog hunting that is. It's a needed thing around here in Texas.


However I think taking big game like with a rifle is cowardly. Anyone can get behind a fireman and shoot a bullet an kill an animal. Its TOO easy.


I feel like animals .especially big animals like that deserve some respect from us humans. Give it a fair shake and hunt with a bow. If you can't kill it with a bow then concede defeat and try again some other time. Don't take the easy way out and use a rifle.


Pansy.


We are lucky as humans really. Top of the food chain. Nothing to put us in our place. Nobody can even imagine being hunted by some higher species. Being made to do things. Makes me sick



There's plenty of animals you wouldn't be able to kill with a bow or gun, which under this logic means that you aren't at the top of the food chain. Homo Sapiens are absolutely not at the top of the food chain. We are the most evolved sure but top of the food chain we are not.



Name 5 animals that can't be killed by a bow or gun.

But the fact that we have the means to kill anything we want makes us the top of the food chain.

Our intelligence is our weapon. Just as teeth are for sharks. Just as claws are for lions. Just as brute strength is for gorillas




There's lots of things that cant be killed by a bow or gun, a Bear being the best example, shooting a bear with a bow would just piss him off, even a headshot. And sometimes headshots with guns won't put a bear down. So right there you have weapons that YOU need in a fight with another animal because you have no natural defense against them except to use weapons. A chimp could use a rock to smash your head in because he's stronger than you and used his brain to kill you, would you be willing to have a knife fight with a chimp? I wouldn't bet against the chimp that's for sure. A whale would probably need to be taken out with a water proof bazooka of some sort, no single person with a gun or spear could kill a giant blue whale. Even in the water your best weapon against a Shark or an Orca probably gives you a slim chance at winning at best. Lots of animals can use their intelligence to kill you; there used to be giant Eagles who would prey on early humans with stealth and cunning. I would obviously concede we are the smartest but claiming top of the food chain because you have weapons and numbers is arrogant, it's akin to being proud of shooting Bears in a cage. Give yourself those claws and teeth of the predators and you still lose, we are the ones who had to adapt to a world of predators, and it took millions of years to overcome them, mostly because of our numbers though, not so much because we are smarter, if Lions or Bears were as abundant as us we'd have a major clash of species still.


Every instance you suggested would totally be dependent on what kind of weapon you would have selected. Obviously you could in fact kill a bear with let's say a fifty caliber. Hell I'm sure I could take out my 330 and go out and take out a good sized bear with it.

For you to say intelligence has not much to do with it is just mind blowing. The same intelligence I'm talking about is enabling you to even post and discuss this on the computer.

Me with gun vs. Chimp with ANYTHING - I come out victorious


Also have you ever seen the show Whale Wars?

That right there is my response to your whale and ocean comment



Because I debunked you by saying a Chimp could use his intelligence and brawn to beat you with most weapons you could find laying around like a rock or a big stick... you picked a gun against a monkey, the best you can do is premeditated killing then because you probably wouldn't be prepared with a gun unless you were a sicko hunting for sport. If you have a gun vs. a chimp you are a fucking coward if you use a sniper against a Bear you are a coward, that's all there is to it. If you use a bazooka or machine guns against a whale on a boat, you are a coward, get in the water with the whale if you want that top of the food chain moniker, use a knife against a shark if you think you are above the shark, and the myriad of animals that would eat you without a pussy-ass weapon in your hand. Until then you're just another arrogant ape claiming to be at the "top of the food chain"when the only way you can overcome is to use excessive force that you do not possess without at the least a gun or explosives. I already conceded that we were the smartest and that makes us the most dominate species but only because of evolutionary factors like numbers and intelligence.



You can kill any animal with any weapon.

And why do you get a knife vs a shark? Thats a weapon, we should just get fists and teeth. Our bacteria in our mouths would probably kill a lot of animal a few days after we bit them

Basically we are weak, hairless bags of flesh, and when we are put into almost any animal's natural environment, we come off second best.
The key to humans being the top of the food chain is our ability to change the circumstances to our advantage with pre thought and knowledge. We make every environment we go into our new habitat.

I'm glad mostly cool heads have prevailed on this thread
Cooler
9/21/12 1:16:42AM

Posted by george112

Hey cooler, you may or may not know it but you basically agreed with everything I said in my first post



Which is why I only addressed your food chain comment.



Posted by george112
All that coward stuff you said . I said that

And the evolution comment.


We aren't the only ones who evolved. Evolving shouldn't be held against us like your making it out to be. So because we're smart enough to create something we shouldn't be considered top of the food chain? What makes us not the top of the food chain?

Being on top of the food chain holds no bias towards being more evolved or the smartest. It just so happened that we happened to be all that. Could easily have been some other species who had some sort of greater intelligence with the capacity to kill anything else and all the while take minimal damage to its own species



I didn't say it should be held against us that we are more evolved but in a fair battle (or at least semi-fair fight with small weapons) humans are far from the top of any food chain. I mean Rhinos, Hippos, Elephants, Bears, Lions, Tigers, Buffalos, Wildebeasts, Oxen, Moose, Cougars, Jaguars, Leopards, Gorillas, Orangutans, and some others humans still need excessive force or numbers to beat one. That's hardly atop a food chain. That's like saying if Mice surpassed our own evolution in the distant future, took over the world and started eating any animal they want like we do. But are they at the top though? when everything can eat them or stomp them...They would just be the dominate species of a planet, on top in the arrogant sense that they are more advanced, sure whatever gets their ego off ya know?
Cooler
9/21/12 1:20:29AM

Posted by infestructure


Posted by Cooler


Posted by george112


Posted by Cooler


Posted by george112


Posted by Cooler


Posted by george112

When I read the thread title I was already thinking how I was gonna post about this bothering me for some reason


I personally have been hunting a few times. Hog hunting that is. It's a needed thing around here in Texas.


However I think taking big game like with a rifle is cowardly. Anyone can get behind a fireman and shoot a bullet an kill an animal. Its TOO easy.


I feel like animals .especially big animals like that deserve some respect from us humans. Give it a fair shake and hunt with a bow. If you can't kill it with a bow then concede defeat and try again some other time. Don't take the easy way out and use a rifle.


Pansy.


We are lucky as humans really. Top of the food chain. Nothing to put us in our place. Nobody can even imagine being hunted by some higher species. Being made to do things. Makes me sick



There's plenty of animals you wouldn't be able to kill with a bow or gun, which under this logic means that you aren't at the top of the food chain. Homo Sapiens are absolutely not at the top of the food chain. We are the most evolved sure but top of the food chain we are not.



Name 5 animals that can't be killed by a bow or gun.

But the fact that we have the means to kill anything we want makes us the top of the food chain.

Our intelligence is our weapon. Just as teeth are for sharks. Just as claws are for lions. Just as brute strength is for gorillas




There's lots of things that cant be killed by a bow or gun, a Bear being the best example, shooting a bear with a bow would just piss him off, even a headshot. And sometimes headshots with guns won't put a bear down. So right there you have weapons that YOU need in a fight with another animal because you have no natural defense against them except to use weapons. A chimp could use a rock to smash your head in because he's stronger than you and used his brain to kill you, would you be willing to have a knife fight with a chimp? I wouldn't bet against the chimp that's for sure. A whale would probably need to be taken out with a water proof bazooka of some sort, no single person with a gun or spear could kill a giant blue whale. Even in the water your best weapon against a Shark or an Orca probably gives you a slim chance at winning at best. Lots of animals can use their intelligence to kill you; there used to be giant Eagles who would prey on early humans with stealth and cunning. I would obviously concede we are the smartest but claiming top of the food chain because you have weapons and numbers is arrogant, it's akin to being proud of shooting Bears in a cage. Give yourself those claws and teeth of the predators and you still lose, we are the ones who had to adapt to a world of predators, and it took millions of years to overcome them, mostly because of our numbers though, not so much because we are smarter, if Lions or Bears were as abundant as us we'd have a major clash of species still.


Every instance you suggested would totally be dependent on what kind of weapon you would have selected. Obviously you could in fact kill a bear with let's say a fifty caliber. Hell I'm sure I could take out my 330 and go out and take out a good sized bear with it.

For you to say intelligence has not much to do with it is just mind blowing. The same intelligence I'm talking about is enabling you to even post and discuss this on the computer.

Me with gun vs. Chimp with ANYTHING - I come out victorious


Also have you ever seen the show Whale Wars?

That right there is my response to your whale and ocean comment



Because I debunked you by saying a Chimp could use his intelligence and brawn to beat you with most weapons you could find laying around like a rock or a big stick... you picked a gun against a monkey, the best you can do is premeditated killing then because you probably wouldn't be prepared with a gun unless you were a sicko hunting for sport. If you have a gun vs. a chimp you are a fucking coward if you use a sniper against a Bear you are a coward, that's all there is to it. If you use a bazooka or machine guns against a whale on a boat, you are a coward, get in the water with the whale if you want that top of the food chain moniker, use a knife against a shark if you think you are above the shark, and the myriad of animals that would eat you without a pussy-ass weapon in your hand. Until then you're just another arrogant ape claiming to be at the "top of the food chain"when the only way you can overcome is to use excessive force that you do not possess without at the least a gun or explosives. I already conceded that we were the smartest and that makes us the most dominate species but only because of evolutionary factors like numbers and intelligence.



You can kill any animal with any weapon.

And why do you get a knife vs a shark? Thats a weapon, we should just get fists and teeth. Our bacteria in our mouths would probably kill a lot of animal a few days after we bit them

Basically we are weak, hairless bags of flesh, and when we are put into almost any animal's natural environment, we come off second best.
The key to humans being the top of the food chain is our ability to change the circumstances to our advantage with pre thought and knowledge. We make every environment we go into our new habitat.

I'm glad mostly cool heads have prevailed on this thread



All you've described is a dominate species of a planet, not that species being atop of a food chain. Seriously look at the mouse analogy I just wrote to George about if Mice evolved past us.
infestructure
9/21/12 1:37:57AM

Posted by Cooler


All you've described is a dominate species of a planet, not that species being atop of a food chain. Seriously look at the mouse analogy I just wrote to George about if Mice evolved past us.



*dominant is the word you meant to use.

Now you are arguing semantics, the definition of 'top of the food chain' is subjective. I would argue humans are in fact on top of the food chain, just because its 'not fair' that we use 'excessive force' to kill these animals does not make our standing any less in the food chain.

Fairness never comes into it, fairness is a human construct.

heres my reply to your 'mouse analogy'


Posted by Cooler


That's like saying if Mice surpassed our own evolution in the distant future, took over the world and started eating any animal they want like we do. But are they at the top though?



Um...Yes.
Taking over the world and eating any animal you want to would kinda be my definition of 'top of the food chain'
george112
9/21/12 6:49:02AM
@ cooler


If the mice you mentioned had the ability to kill anything it wanted then yes it would be at the top of the foodchain


The reason we get to use knives against sharks is because that's our weapon. We are smart enough to make tools. The sharks on the other hand only have their teeth and size. Why do the sharks get to use their teeth? That's not fair we don't have teeth like them. See what I'm saying? Us not being able to use things like knives would be like any other animal not being able to use their best defense against predators or their best weapons to kill prey.
kopower
9/21/12 12:17:55PM
We'd be in hella trouble here.

prophecy033
9/21/12 1:16:46PM
BigBadAl
9/21/12 1:20:32PM
Humans ARE top of the food chain on the planet Earth. Not sure how this is even debatable.
frizzzlecake
9/21/12 1:30:30PM
If Matt Hughes want's to go to Africa and hunt or trap Animals who cares? If he doesn't someone else surely will. If he finds it thrilling to do a drive-by in Africa more power to him, if he actually hunt's the animal good for him.

Personally I enjoyed his hunting of BJJ Grapplers to be more exciting.
Poor_Franklin
9/21/12 2:17:43PM
airkerma
9/21/12 2:20:43PM

Posted by BigBadAl

Humans ARE top of the food chain on the planet Earth. Not sure how this is even debatable.


Yeah, this is beyond me as well. Just someone trying to do a science but being incorrect. It happens.
Poor_Franklin
9/21/12 2:27:24PM

Posted by airkerma


Posted by BigBadAl

Humans ARE top of the food chain on the planet Earth. Not sure how this is even debatable.


Yeah, this is beyond me as well. Just someone trying to do a science but being incorrect. It happens.



airkerma
9/21/12 2:53:52PM
Touche P_F, but this begs the question: what about vampirethhhhs....cereally!

infestructure
9/21/12 4:22:40PM

Posted by frizzzlecake

If Matt Hughes want's to go to Africa and hunt or trap Animals who cares? If he doesn't someone else surely will.



Thats like saying if priests don't fiddle kids someone else will come along and do it.
prophecy033
9/21/12 4:42:46PM

Posted by infestructure


Posted by frizzzlecake

If Matt Hughes want's to go to Africa and hunt or trap Animals who cares? If he doesn't someone else surely will.



Thats like saying if priests don't fiddle kids someone else will come along and do it.

to be fair Infestructure, its like saying if you don't do _______ (insert any action) then someone else will.
infestructure
9/21/12 9:52:02PM

Posted by prophecy033


Posted by infestructure


Posted by frizzzlecake

If Matt Hughes want's to go to Africa and hunt or trap Animals who cares? If he doesn't someone else surely will.



Thats like saying if priests don't fiddle kids someone else will come along and do it.

to be fair Infestructure, its like saying if you don't do _______ (insert any action) then someone else will.



Sorry bout that, trying to be funny, and nosediving into the dirt...
Cooler
9/21/12 11:16:47PM

Posted by airkerma


Posted by BigBadAl

Humans ARE top of the food chain on the planet Earth. Not sure how this is even debatable.


Yeah, this is beyond me as well. Just someone trying to do a science but being incorrect. It happens.



When you have to cheat to win a false title, it's hardly a prize.
Cooler
9/21/12 11:28:06PM

Posted by george112

@ cooler


If the mice you mentioned had the ability to kill anything it wanted then yes it would be at the top of the foodchain


The reason we get to use knives against sharks is because that's our weapon. We are smart enough to make tools. The sharks on the other hand only have their teeth and size. Why do the sharks get to use their teeth? That's not fair we don't have teeth like them. See what I'm saying? Us not being able to use things like knives would be like any other animal not being able to use their best defense against predators or their best weapons to kill prey.



You would still die most of the time even with something as big as a spear and it doesn't make it a fair fight regardless of what the shark has, we used to have sharper teeth and nails as well, so what, our niche was our brains. You still go into the fight with the shark at an advantage especially when you bring heavy artillery into the mix (siting, look I can kill something bigger than me with weapons, again, not impressive). Lets skip sharks and go to whales because a one on one with a whale does require excessive force and premeditation.

What you are able to eat matters less to being atop of the food chain. Would you then be claiming smaller animals (lower on the chain) can't kill bigger predators... If everything on the planet can eat the mouse with ease without their technologies and weapons, it's a most credulous title for them to claim.
Cooler
9/21/12 11:45:04PM

Posted by infestructure
*dominant is the word you meant to use.

Now you are arguing semantics, the definition of 'top of the food chain' is subjective. I would argue humans are in fact on top of the food chain, just because its 'not fair' that we use 'excessive force' to kill these animals does not make our standing any less in the food chain.



No need to correct a grammatical mistake if you understand it, just makes you sound like you're trying to validate what your saying by proclaiming 'look at your grammar error, you meant dominant you dumbass' yes sometimes errors happen, sorry to offend your eyeballs.

Fairness has everything to do with the that moniker, how is taking that title any different than.. "Hey I caught all these bears (they're in a cage) watch me shoot them all and prove I'm top of the food chain" that's just arrogant, the true label is dominant species on the planet, same with the hypothetical evolved mice. Why not also bring a bazooka into the water with you to get a whale. I'm top of the food chain.. but I'm a little pussy and shoot from a distance.



Posted by infestructure

Fairness never comes into it, fairness is a human construct.



That's ridiculous, plenty of other animals have feelings of altruism and systems of justice, mostly within the mammal kingdom but plenty of evidence of evolved emotions none the less. Not only that but there are animals with better organs than ourselves, like Squids having better eyes for example.
infestructure
9/22/12 1:08:02AM

Posted by Cooler


Posted by infestructure
*dominant is the word you meant to use.

Now you are arguing semantics, the definition of 'top of the food chain' is subjective. I would argue humans are in fact on top of the food chain, just because its 'not fair' that we use 'excessive force' to kill these animals does not make our standing any less in the food chain.



No need to correct a grammatical mistake if you understand it, just makes you sound like you're trying to validate what your saying by proclaiming 'look at your grammar error, you meant dominant you dumbass' yes sometimes errors happen, sorry to offend your eyeballs.

Fairness has everything to do with the that moniker, how is taking that title any different than.. "Hey I caught all these bears (they're in a cage) watch me shoot them all and prove I'm top of the food chain" that's just arrogant, the true label is dominant species on the planet, same with the hypothetical evolved mice. Why not also bring a bazooka into the water with you to get a whale. I'm top of the food chain.. but I'm a little pussy and shoot from a distance.



Posted by infestructure

Fairness never comes into it, fairness is a human construct.



That's ridiculous, plenty of other animals have feelings of altruism and systems of justice, mostly within the mammal kingdom but plenty of evidence of evolved emotions none the less. Not only that but there are animals with better organs than ourselves, like Squids having better eyes for example.



I apologise if you took offense to my correcting you, you used the wrong word and I thought you would like to know that, I never implied you were a 'dumbass'.

Of course fairness is a human construct, do you see anteaters thinking - "maybe I shouldn't use my wonderful tongue to eat all these ants, its unfair" Have you seen what chimpanzee's do to smaller monkeys? Killer whales play baseball with half dead seals.

I have no Idea where you were going with the squid eye thing.


posted by Cooler
When you have to cheat to win a false title, it's hardly a prize


How is it cheating? We earned this big brain by filling a niche, just like every creature on this planet earned its spot, by filling a niche
Franklinfan47
9/22/12 11:14:50AM
Just think about it this way:

100 million Sharks are killed by humans every year. Roughly 11,000 every hour. To the point where they are close to extinction.

As a human, you are more likely to be killed in a car crash, by a falling vending machine, or a falling coconut than to be eaten by a shark. No where in the forseable future will humans be in danger of extinction from Shark attacks.

link

Still think they are higher than us on the food chain? Just because a shark CAN kill a human, doesnt make them the top predator. If you consider the entire planet as one big ecosystem, humans are the top predator. We dont need big teeth or horns, our brains are the greatest destructive evolutionary tool that has ever existed in the history of the earth.
george112
9/22/12 11:31:18AM

Posted by Franklinfan47

Just think about it this way:

100 million Sharks are killed by humans every year. Roughly 11,000 every hour. To the point where they are close to extinction.

As a human, you are more likely to be killed in a car crash, by a falling vending machine, or a falling coconut than to be eaten by a shark. No where in the forseable future will humans be in danger of extinction from Shark attacks.

link

Still think they are higher than us on the food chain? Just because a shark CAN kill a human, doesnt make them the top predator. If you consider the entire planet as one big ecosystem, humans are the top predator. We dont need big teeth or horns, our brains are the greatest destructive evolutionary tool that has ever existed in the history of the earth.


x100000000000000


/thread
Cooler
9/22/12 7:28:17PM

Posted by infestructure


Posted by Cooler


Posted by infestructure
*dominant is the word you meant to use.

Now you are arguing semantics, the definition of 'top of the food chain' is subjective. I would argue humans are in fact on top of the food chain, just because its 'not fair' that we use 'excessive force' to kill these animals does not make our standing any less in the food chain.



No need to correct a grammatical mistake if you understand it, just makes you sound like you're trying to validate what your saying by proclaiming 'look at your grammar error, you meant dominant you dumbass' yes sometimes errors happen, sorry to offend your eyeballs.

Fairness has everything to do with the that moniker, how is taking that title any different than.. "Hey I caught all these bears (they're in a cage) watch me shoot them all and prove I'm top of the food chain" that's just arrogant, the true label is dominant species on the planet, same with the hypothetical evolved mice. Why not also bring a bazooka into the water with you to get a whale. I'm top of the food chain.. but I'm a little pussy and shoot from a distance.



Posted by infestructure

Fairness never comes into it, fairness is a human construct.



That's ridiculous, plenty of other animals have feelings of altruism and systems of justice, mostly within the mammal kingdom but plenty of evidence of evolved emotions none the less. Not only that but there are animals with better organs than ourselves, like Squids having better eyes for example.



I apologise if you took offense to my correcting you, you used the wrong word and I thought you would like to know that, I never implied you were a 'dumbass'.

Of course fairness is a human construct, do you see anteaters thinking - "maybe I shouldn't use my wonderful tongue to eat all these ants, its unfair" Have you seen what chimpanzee's do to smaller monkeys? Killer whales play baseball with half dead seals.

I have no Idea where you were going with the squid eye thing.


posted by Cooler
When you have to cheat to win a false title, it's hardly a prize


How is it cheating? We earned this big brain by filling a niche, just like every creature on this planet earned its spot, by filling a niche



You took time out to correct a mistake that didn't need to be, it was douchey.

Fairness is not a human contruct I just told you other animals have altruism, social structures and systems of justice. And you mention what bad things other animals do... what about humans? (another animal, dont forget that). I cant think of another species who is so cruel to other animals and then has the gall to say evolved emotions are excusively human, that's an arrogant human contruct
infestructure
9/23/12 6:47:03AM
Altruism and systems of justice don't come into the question of who's on top of the food chain.

Again, you argue semantics with me and avoid the real issue, which is humanity's place on the food chain, which is undeniably the top.

again, /thread
mrsmiley
9/23/12 8:46:10AM
My two cents is that the deer is the most dangerous animal on the planet.
Seriously......I've had more deers try to kill me than zombies,terrorist,dinosaurs,sharks,racoons,snakes,spiders,other humans,etc.

Deers are f$*%ing evil. They love to jump out in front of your car and pretend to be innocent.
If deers ever learn to use firearms where all in a river of shit. Zombie deers even worse. Zombie deers created by terrorist..... Don't get me started.
kopower
9/23/12 9:52:58AM

Posted by mrsmiley

My two cents is that the deer is the most dangerous animal on the planet.
Seriously......I've had more deers try to kill me than zombies,terrorist,dinosaurs,sharks,racoons,snakes,spiders,other humans,etc.

Deers are f$*%ing evil. They love to jump out in front of your car and pretend to be innocent.
If deers ever learn to use firearms where all in a river of shit. Zombie deers even worse. Zombie deers created by terrorist..... Don't get me started.



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