Posted by jay98107
Posted by Pyrenus
I enjoy sitting on my couch in my underwear eating cheetohs. If thats all I ever did, I wouldn't have a very good life.
Sometimes we need to do things we don't necessarily enjoy for the greater good.
The greater good? You guys are taking this way too seriously. Besides, you're posting on a fantasy mixed martial arts website, which contributes to the greater good little more than cheetoh binging or keeping the fight standing when you should take it to the ground. Jorge Gurgel doesn't "need" to change his fighting style for you, or anybody other than himself. It's obvious that he should take it to the ground, but you're all acting like it's your livelihood on the line, not his. To say that he isn't taking the fight game seriously is pretty crazy to me, just because he doesn't have the best game plan in the world doesn't mean that he's not giving his all to the sport. He just beat a very game Conor Heun, and although it was by decision, all 3 of Heuns losses are by decision. Of the fighters that Gurgel has beaten by decision, Saraiva has lost 8 times, all by decision, and 4 of Abbadis 6 losses were by decision. The only one who has been finished consistently when he's lost that Gurgel couldn't finish was John Halverson. Clearly other people have had hard times finishing these fighters anyways, so pointing to his pre-ufc career as proof positive that he should have been able to finish these fighters automatically if he took it to the ground is a bit presumptuous. To say that fans of the sport don't take him seriously is ludicrous, they just take him about as seriously as they take any other b-level fighter.
Okay, just for clarification purposes I'm going to post my entire post here in a quote so that we're on the same page. Since clearly in some parts of your text you were addressing my post. I'll break down my reasons for stating what I did afterwards.
Posted by Jackelope
Well Gurgel, until you start taking MMA seriously no fans are going to take YOU seriously. If you're fine with that, fine. However, if you're not fine with that, don't get mad and expect them to understand your perspective because like I said- nobody takes you seriously if you have that attitude about the game.
Now here are some of your sentences
Jorge Gurgel doesn't "need" to change his fighting style for you, or anybody other than himself.
Never once in my post did I suggest that Jorge NEEDS to change his style. My post was all about choices. If he wants to change, then he can, if he doesn't want to change, then he shouldn't.
To say that he isn't taking the fight game seriously is pretty crazy to me, just because he doesn't have the best game plan in the world doesn't mean that he's not giving his all to the sport.
To me, this comes off as a pretty contradictory statement. If you're taking things seriously, that means you're doing your absolute best. In Jorge Gurgel's case, that means gameplanning and fighting with the best available skillset. I think we're all in agreement that his jits is much better than his striking, so tying the two statements together we can clearly see that
Taking the fights seriously = Using his BJJ
Henceforth, he is not taking the fights seriously. He's losing. Not saying he isn't trying his best in the standup, but I AM saying he isn't trying his best to use MMA to defeat his opponent. He is fighting in MMA matches, after all.
To say that fans of the sport don't take him seriously is ludicrous, they just take him about as seriously as they take any other b-level fighter.
Since you were also speaking of proof positive in your post, I'll point you towards the numerous fans on this very message in this very message board expressing their disagreement with his choices in the cage. Not to mention the large number of fans young and old who have addressed this issue with him in person. As was stated in the quote.
Finally, I just want to add that I am of the very firm belief that his choices are his own to make. If he's angry/frustrated/disappointed/whatever at the fans for asking that question (which, clearly he is if he took the effort to address it in a quote) then he should do something to fix it. If he doesn't care, then he should go on about doing things the way he's doing them. Do I take him seriously and could he kick my ass? Without a doubt. Do I take him seriously in comparison to fighters who are at his same level when they go into a fight with him? Absolutely not. I say it on my camp's message board all the time- "Gurgel is fighting. You know the gameplan- stand and get his ass kicked." I just don't think putting forth anything but your absolute best effort constitutes taking the fight game seriously. But again, I will clarify one last time that this is HIS choice. He made his bed.. now he's got to sleep in it. Whether that bed has disappointed fans in it or not.