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wagere
5/14/07 10:05:28AM
It seems that way on paper but the Pride fighters keep losing to the UFC fighters.
mkiv9secsupra
5/14/07 3:48:00PM
pride nuthugging at its best.....ifs funny how 5 of prides guys would be nothing without the ufc....coleman, randleman, frye, barnett, goodridge.
rameydl8
5/19/07 3:44:04PM

Posted by hippysmacker

This is the 4th UFC vs Pride thread( In one form or another) in a month, God help us all. I love MMA ,and will never love any org more than the other.


UFC advantages IMO-- has no freak show matches, makes the champs defend their belts, know's how to produce a show, never cuts away to audience shot's in the middle of a round,allow elbows , no soocer kicks or footstomps which are bad IMO and generally let's their fighter's know who they are fighting in advance.

Pride advantages IMO-Signifigantly more depth at HVY, the best fighter in the world IMO( Fedor), Allows knee's to the head on the ground, more knowledgable and repectful fans as a whole, more proven ( this does not mean better) lightweights at least against eachother


Does this make one beter IMO. No, I love them both and all MMA. I'm going to pin this topic and change the title to pride vs UFC. That way no one will hjave to start anymore of these threads.


Aether
5/27/07 3:33:28AM
I don't really get the "pride guys keep losing to UFC guys" comment... I'm pretty sure there are at least as many successful crossovers as unsuccessful. Crocop and gomi are really the only pride fighters that have lost to UFC fighters, but PRIDE has also seen success in anderson silva and quinton jackson. I think that ultimately PRIDE has more of the top fighters all around, but we're just going to see both talent pools blend completely to settle all of these arguments soon enough anyway.

Saying that "5 of PRIDE's fighters are only around because of UFC" is also ridiculous.... there are fighters in the UFC who started in PRIDE... and all of these fighters started somewhere else befor either organization... pancrase, shooto, KOTC, etc, etc. does that mean whatever organization they started in is superior? Are any of the fighters that you listed other than Barnett even contenders? Does any of that really matter?

Personally I prefer PRIDE rules. I think that elbows generally just end up opening cuts which stop the fight prematurely, and this doesn't really show us who the more skilled fighter is. (fedor vs kosaka in RINGS is a good example of this) Soccer kicks and stomps are an effective tactic for assaulting someone trying to pull guard on you while you are still standing... how much sense does it make to throw a superman punch at someone who can upkick you when you can just soccer kick or stomp them? These attackes really aren't any more dangerous than a solid highkick or a standing knee in the clinch.

I also prefer the cage as it prevents a lot of unnecessary restarts... that's too bad if the handful of people at the actual event can't see as well, it makes for a better fight.

There are a lot of things I prefer about each organization, but both are great. The one thing I am very disappointed to see going is the judging system we see in PRIDE. I think most of the other differences are pretty inconsequential, but the difference between round by round scoring and PRIDE scoring is what makes the biggest difference in my mind. Take a look at fights like nogueira vs rodriguez... if that were scored by UFC rules rodriguez would have won as a result of his very boring performance. He did maintain the "dominant position" and land a lot of really pointless strikes, but nogueira was the one trying to finish the fight. His attempts might have fallen short, but his efforts to WIN as opposed to NOT LOSE are what gave him a victory. The scoring and the card system just force the fighters to put on a more entertaining fight.
TheHitmanTL
5/31/07 10:15:12PM
i say screw it man...who is better pride or ufc? WHO CARES!!!!!! you know as long as these fighters keep putting on spectcular shows and entertaining me...im fine. they are all fighters and that is all that matters when you think about it any fighter can be beaten by any fighter i mean just look at keith jardine's last fight he got messed up by a nobody also look at all the other upsets this year. it shouldn't matter what organization is better because in reality its all one big organization......ITS CALLED MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!!!!!!!
Signal2112
6/5/07 6:27:31AM
Yeah, Jardine really dropped the ball there...what a shocker!
wagere
6/6/07 4:06:18PM
since the purchase
nubby
6/6/07 4:38:23PM

Posted by Aether

I don't really get the "pride guys keep losing to UFC guys" comment... I'm pretty sure there are at least as many successful crossovers as unsuccessful. Crocop and gomi are really the only pride fighters that have lost to UFC fighters, but PRIDE has also seen success in anderson silva and quinton jackson. I think that ultimately PRIDE has more of the top fighters all around, but we're just going to see both talent pools blend completely to settle all of these arguments soon enough anyway.

Saying that "5 of PRIDE's fighters are only around because of UFC" is also ridiculous.... there are fighters in the UFC who started in PRIDE... and all of these fighters started somewhere else befor either organization... pancrase, shooto, KOTC, etc, etc. does that mean whatever organization they started in is superior? Are any of the fighters that you listed other than Barnett even contenders? Does any of that really matter?

Personally I prefer PRIDE rules. I think that elbows generally just end up opening cuts which stop the fight prematurely, and this doesn't really show us who the more skilled fighter is. (fedor vs kosaka in RINGS is a good example of this) Soccer kicks and stomps are an effective tactic for assaulting someone trying to pull guard on you while you are still standing... how much sense does it make to throw a superman punch at someone who can upkick you when you can just soccer kick or stomp them? These attackes really aren't any more dangerous than a solid highkick or a standing knee in the clinch.

I also prefer the cage as it prevents a lot of unnecessary restarts... that's too bad if the handful of people at the actual event can't see as well, it makes for a better fight.

There are a lot of things I prefer about each organization, but both are great. The one thing I am very disappointed to see going is the judging system we see in PRIDE. I think most of the other differences are pretty inconsequential, but the difference between round by round scoring and PRIDE scoring is what makes the biggest difference in my mind. Take a look at fights like nogueira vs rodriguez... if that were scored by UFC rules rodriguez would have won as a result of his very boring performance. He did maintain the "dominant position" and land a lot of really pointless strikes, but nogueira was the one trying to finish the fight. His attempts might have fallen short, but his efforts to WIN as opposed to NOT LOSE are what gave him a victory. The scoring and the card system just force the fighters to put on a more entertaining fight.



I don't agree with the elbows claim you make. I can't remember a fight in recent memory in the UFC that was stopped due to a cut.
Aether
6/7/07 4:25:12AM
I don't think that it's a frequent occurrence, just that when elbows are used at all, that seems to be their primary effect - opening cuts, whether those cuts stop the fight or not.
ac_gi
6/13/07 4:26:26AM
Does this still need to be "pinned." It's kind of pointless now.
hippysmacker
7/7/07 2:39:05AM
I de-pinned it for a couple of weeks. It's back now because the same tired arguments keep spilling over the forums, and they always become insult laden arguments. Please keep all the UFC vs Pride chit-chat here.
thanks
ADMIN
ncordless
7/7/07 2:44:15AM
Pride v. UFC = USA v. USSR


They never really fought each other... one had a better economy... and now only one is still around
TOMMYAYO05
7/7/07 4:01:44AM
Pride is better with the heavyweights and light heavyweights witth the hw consisting of crocop,fedor,hunt,big nog,barnett and the lhw shogun,silva,rampage,hendo,arona,lil nog,sokudujo
nibrack11
7/7/07 12:15:52PM
pride has better fighters but i like UFC more then pride.
JimiMak
7/7/07 5:31:40PM
Maybe enuf of these will kill this thing. It's done!!!!! I was a PRIDE guy, but c'mon. Aren't we all done with this?

hippysmacker
7/7/07 7:24:11PM
I wish you were right, but some people won't let it go
keith-hackney1
7/10/07 5:25:53PM

Posted by JimiMak

Maybe enuf of these will kill this thing. It's done!!!!! I was a PRIDE guy, but c'mon. Aren't we all done with this?




:Now its dead !!!!
loganakers
7/11/07 8:43:54PM
[UFC advantages IMO-- has no freak show matches, makes the champs defend their belts, know's how to produce a show, never cuts away to audience shot's in the middle of a round,allow elbows , no soocer kicks or footstomps which are bad IMO and generally let's their fighter's know who they are fighting in advance.

Pride advantages IMO-Signifigantly more depth at HVY, the best fighter in the world IMO( Fedor), Allows knee's to the head on the ground, more knowledgable and repectful fans as a whole, more proven ( this does not mean better) lightweights at least against eachother


Does this make one beter IMO. No, I love them both and all MMA. I'm going to pin this topic and change the title to pride vs UFC. That way no one will hjave to start anymore of these threads. [

ufc allows foot stomps
Young_Knuck
7/16/07 5:26:24PM


thata boy
Chris_Keppel
7/17/07 2:20:23PM
I have always like UFC, as an organization better. But I liked the PRIDE fighters more, and hated them more equally (Wanderlai Silva, that bastard).

PRIDE used to have more talented fighters across the board, they really did, I think that the UFC has more depth in their heavier weight classes now, and if they could just acquire Fedor or Mark Hunt, then PRIDE's top contenders would be UFC merchandise.

But yeah, to keep it simple and not to try to make any valid points I'm sure hundreds of people have already made...

PRIDE > UFC

when it comes to fighters.
Ultimate_fighter
7/18/07 6:44:51PM
UFC is the best, pride doesn't stand a chance any more without their best fighters, Shogun, wanderlei, Fedor(HOPEFULLY), Mach, Rampage, Henderson, Cro Cop, etc are all in the UFC now... Pride is a done deal. All of the best fighters from pride are coming to UFC. UFC is still going to dominate the MMA world!!!
They all wanted to come to UFC as well, they know its the best organization...
hippysmacker
7/18/07 11:50:37PM

Posted by loganakers

[UFC advantages IMO-- has no freak show matches, makes the champs defend their belts, know's how to produce a show, never cuts away to audience shot's in the middle of a round,allow elbows , no soocer kicks or footstomps which are bad IMO and generally let's their fighter's know who they are fighting in advance.

Pride advantages IMO-Signifigantly more depth at HVY, the best fighter in the world IMO( Fedor), Allows knee's to the head on the ground, more knowledgable and repectful fans as a whole, more proven ( this does not mean better) lightweights at least against eachother


Does this make one beter IMO. No, I love them both and all MMA. I'm going to pin this topic and change the title to pride vs UFC. That way no one will hjave to start anymore of these threads. [

ufc allows foot stomps



I f your gonna quote my post, use the quote function please. Let me clarify for you. The UFC does not allow stomps to the head.
MMA
7/21/07 3:45:43PM
I kind of want to unpin this thread considering PRIDE is (unofficially) dead and the discussion here is starting to really lack in intelligence.
zephead
7/21/07 7:05:11PM

Posted by MMA

I kind of want to unpin this thread considering PRIDE is (unofficially) dead and the discussion here is starting to really lack in intelligence.



What ya mean, "is starting to"
hippysmacker
7/28/07 9:56:11PM
Within a week of unpinning it last time the threads started up again. This way the nutthuggers have no excuse to start more, and we can delete them quickly if they do.
GrandMaster313
7/29/07 8:34:17PM
is this thread being removed?
bootyclause
7/29/07 9:41:58PM
in the end the UFC vs Pride thing was mostly about the "hardcore" fans trying to feel better than other people by bashing the more mainstream UFC. the quality of fights were never any better in Pride, there were just as many boring/exciting matches but with horrible management, silent crowds and sucky announcers after Bas was let go.

for the most part the Pride "I'm cooler than you" fans got what was coming to them by having it get bought out and more or less disbanded. plus "amazing" Pride fighters losing to UFC guys was icing on the cake (Gomi, cro Cop, etc).

the last 6 months of the MMA world has been poetic justice for all the internt MMA snobs that are out there. Now u HAVE TO like UFC cuz its all there is that matters.
KO
8/9/07 4:35:38AM
I Hate Pride. Period.
Chris_Keppel
8/9/07 2:25:51PM

Posted by MattHughes

UFC is better...i would rather want all the great MMA fighters around the world fighting in the UFC..than all the worlds best MMA fighters fighting in Pride


Cage > Ring

UFC Commentators > Pride Commentators

Referee's- UFC > Pride

UFC rules are more professional and not too absurd..(head stomps?? i know pride cares more about being entertaining than they do about the safety of their fighters...(fights go on way too long after someone is hurt)

the only thing better in Pride is more respectful fans...(at least the ones in the crowd)..but..thats gonna stop now that they're here in the U.S



Yeah, I pretty much agree with that statement.

Cage is much better than the ring, because you don't have to stop the fight to move them into the center.

The UFC commentators, and PRIDE commentators... personally, I don't care about the commentators as long as it isn't Frank Mir and the WEC commentators.

The UFC referee's are better because they're actual fighters, well, some are, and they don't throw yellow cards and shit that deduct 10% from a fighters salary.

As an organization, I've always said this, UFC is a MUCH better organization... however, PRIDE, HAD much better fighters until about 6 months ago. The introduction of Rampage Jackson and Cro Cop was the dawn of a new era of fighters for the UFC. Look at the champions now, compared to then.... most are previous PRIDE fighters, and let's face the facts. Everytime Dana White brings over a PRIDE fighter, they are in the run for a championship fight right away. There is a reason behind that.

However... UFC will have all the PRIDE fighters and they will become UFC fighters, and UFC will have the best fighters with the exception of like Takanori and Fedor. For some reason I just can't see those two fighters in the cage.
adamal
8/9/07 10:47:08PM
As a guy who has only recently gotten into MMA I have to say that UFC is certianly more accessable. I have gotten into Pride, WEC, and IFL too but I had to do that on my own. You don't need to look too far to find UFC. That doesn't make it better but it does give it more upside.

The pride matches i've seen have been great but I don't know enough to really say it is better. I do agree with all the people who have said the Octogon is better than the ring, it makes the matches a lot more exciting IMO.
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