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Jeffanori-Gomi
3/16/07 7:07:06PM

Posted by Ultimate_fighter

I hate pride compare to UFC. UFC has so much more talent. Pride's fights are boring to me and u no who the winner is right when the step in the ring, and a ring? come on, try a CAGE, the octagon!!! I also hate pride's time limts, 10 mins, 5 mins, 5 mins. And the rules are dumb too! u cant use ur elbow on the ground BUT,,,, u can head stomp someone!?! The manager of pride don't care about his fighters! its dumb! i love UFC. THEE FASTEST GROWING SPORT!



No elbows is a good rule because of no stoppages due to cuts. IFL uses that rule also. As for PRIDE being boring...wow
ryderstrong69
3/17/07 11:12:17PM
i like both aand have watch both from there start
Someguy
3/18/07 10:40:18PM

Posted by Jeffanori-Gomi


Posted by Ultimate_fighter

I hate pride compare to UFC. UFC has so much more talent. Pride's fights are boring to me and u no who the winner is right when the step in the ring, and a ring? come on, try a CAGE, the octagon!!! I also hate pride's time limts, 10 mins, 5 mins, 5 mins. And the rules are dumb too! u cant use ur elbow on the ground BUT,,,, u can head stomp someone!?! The manager of pride don't care about his fighters! its dumb! i love UFC. THEE FASTEST GROWING SPORT!



No elbows is a good rule because of no stoppages due to cuts. IFL uses that rule also. As for PRIDE being boring...wow

Honestly you just have to ignore these ones, I can understand the confusion thinking elbows should be allowed, but all that other stuff was
Whiskey
3/19/07 2:22:23AM
It's all MMA in the end full stop. UFC fighters have fought in Pride and Pride fc fighters have fought in UFC, its the same sport.
In my eyes some one who really loves the sport would be interested in both.
It's arguing over whats better chocolate or vanilla ice cream. You may have your personal preference but at the end of the day, its all ice cream
shogunassassin
3/19/07 6:30:35AM

Posted by Jeffanori-Gomi


Posted by Ultimate_fighter

I hate pride compare to UFC. UFC has so much more talent. Pride's fights are boring to me and u no who the winner is right when the step in the ring, and a ring? come on, try a CAGE, the octagon!!! I also hate pride's time limts, 10 mins, 5 mins, 5 mins. And the rules are dumb too! u cant use ur elbow on the ground BUT,,,, u can head stomp someone!?! The manager of pride don't care about his fighters! its dumb! i love UFC. THEE FASTEST GROWING SPORT!



No elbows is a good rule because of no stoppages due to cuts. IFL uses that rule also. As for PRIDE being boring...wow



Absolutely.
And the ring is so much better than the cage.
How often do you see fighters pressed up against a cage and not doing anything. Cages also make it easier to get people down.
This is why the standup game comes alive in pride.
mkiv9secsupra
3/22/07 12:58:12AM
no elbows sucks.... it hurts every competitor.. you cant GnP ppl as well. you cant protect yourself in the clinch as well. it sucks that it cuts ppl so easily but it definitely adds to the competition in every style of fighting
BIGKAT
3/24/07 7:10:25PM
Like Whiskey said:

At the end of the day, its all ice cream
MethodMan
3/27/07 6:04:14AM
To Make MMA a mainstream sport we will eventually have to lose both elbows and kicks and stomps to the head of a grounded opponent. However there are currently a number of competitiors who train extensivly to fight using these wepons. I would hope that smaller organisations will maintain these more extreme but equaly relevent aspects of fighting, but I bet in 10 years time the major organisations will have got rid of both.
mkiv9secsupra
3/27/07 3:53:41PM

Posted by MethodMan

To Make MMA a mainstream sport we will eventually have to lose both elbows and kicks and stomps to the head of a grounded opponent. However there are currently a number of competitiors who train extensivly to fight using these wepons. I would hope that smaller organisations will maintain these more extreme but equaly relevent aspects of fighting, but I bet in 10 years time the major organisations will have got rid of both.



UFC will never get rid of elbows. the fans love the blood. UFC isnt trying to become mainstream at all....theyre trying to build a huge fanbase but they just arent trying for mainstream just yet.
AdamG
4/5/07 7:05:59PM

Posted by Trapt1nw0nder

...UFC Commentators > Pride Commentators

Pride had the greatest MMA commentator in Renallo before they let him take off to Showtime. Name one commentator who is more knowledgable and more studied on the fighters in an event.
pv3Hpv3p
4/8/07 2:56:24AM

Posted by AdamG


Posted by Trapt1nw0nder

...UFC Commentators > Pride Commentators

Pride had the greatest MMA commentator in Renallo before they let him take off to Showtime. Name one commentator who is more knowledgable and more studied on the fighters in an event.



His old partner Bas

I agree Renallo was the best... Fuc*in Gary Millen
Buddharox
4/8/07 4:48:59AM
Renallo's voice is sexy.
nubby
4/9/07 4:49:34PM
JOE ROGAN! RAWR!
JunCTion
4/10/07 1:29:09AM

Posted by Jeffanori-Gomi


Posted by Ultimate_fighter

I hate pride compare to UFC. UFC has so much more talent. Pride's fights are boring to me and u no who the winner is right when the step in the ring, and a ring? come on, try a CAGE, the octagon!!! I also hate pride's time limts, 10 mins, 5 mins, 5 mins. And the rules are dumb too! u cant use ur elbow on the ground BUT,,,, u can head stomp someone!?! The manager of pride don't care about his fighters! its dumb! i love UFC. THEE FASTEST GROWING SPORT!



No elbows is a good rule because of no stoppages due to cuts. IFL uses that rule also. As for PRIDE being boring...wow



first of all who is this guy. you need to think before you type.
1 more talent.
2 boring fights.
3 sakakibara doesnt care about his fighters.
4 ufc the fastest growing sport.

1 all fighters are talented in different ways and they all fight in several orgs in their career so why would you associate a specific fighter with a specific org
2 wandys boring, sakurabas boring, renzos boring, newtons boring, hendersons boring, fryes boring, anyone else want to add to the list.
3 saka cares about the fighters and the fans and wanted to give them the best competition possible its just in the past year that ufc started making so much money that it could pay the big bucks ans steel fighters away from pride.
4 MMA is the fastest growing sport. the ufc is not a sport its an organization.


second. you can get cut from a fist, a high kick. a flying knee, shaving and a number of other things. should they take those out too?.personally id rather get a crazy cut across the forhead get blood in my eyes and have big john stop the fight then to be pounded into submission get a broken jaw, a broken eye socket or get my labrium torn or my arm broken (silvia) from an arm bar or have my thigh get kicked 30 times and not be able to walk for weeks.
my point - nobody ever died from an elbow or a knee or even a stomp (i dont like those).
a kickboxer needs his knees at all times. a MT guy needs his elbows at all times.
a sub. guy gets to use all his skills. a wrestler gets to use all his skills. the wimpy guy that holds on to you for dear life cause he doesnt want to get elbowed or kneed in the head needs his lack of skills

BIGKAT
4/11/07 6:27:16PM

Posted by Drewsiph


Posted by tepid55

Pride has the better fighters overall.



Nick Diaz... a UFC reject just came in and owned Prides champ....

So did Trigg, but not in ownage....

UFC is getting more Pride fighters everday...

So as much as that might have been true, it isn't or won't be for long.





I definitely agree....

Pride fighters fight there because they aren't good enough to fight in the UFC...

Just ask Randleman, Maurice Smith, Phil baroni, Gomi...lol
JunCTion
4/11/07 11:17:50PM

Posted by BIGKAT


Posted by Drewsiph


Posted by tepid55

Pride has the better fighters overall.



Nick Diaz... a UFC reject just came in and owned Prides champ....

So did Trigg, but not in ownage....

UFC is getting more Pride fighters everday...

So as much as that might have been true, it isn't or won't be for long.





I definitely agree....

Pride fighters fight there because they aren't good enough to fight in the UFC...

Just ask Randleman, Maurice Smith, Phil baroni, Gomi...lol



what? both of you just said ufc is better than pride. so why did you(tepid55) say the ufc is getting more pride fighters every day and why did you(BIGKAT) say you definitely agree. you guys need to think about what you say. if you say pride doesnt have good fighters then why is dana doing everything he can to get them to sign with ufc.
okayraf
4/12/07 11:46:10AM
Its really difficult to distinguish which organization is better, Pride or UFC.
They are (were?) both two separate entities. It's had to compare them both as they each have their pros and cons.

Personally i like Pride better, but what it really comes down to is all a matter of opinion. Different people like different things so what may appeal to some fans may turn off other fans. To argue that the cage is better than the ring is completly pointless. The fighters know before hand where they will be fighting, and they should adapt their fight strategies accordingly. As for the whole knees, elbows, stomps, soccer kicks argument; in my opinion, they should all be allowed. Thats all i will say about that.

Possibly the one Pride vs UFC argment that can be resolved would be which organization has the better fighers.
Since the Fertitas brothers aquired Pride, there has been talk of UFC vs. Pride shows once a year. If they were to do the champions of Pride vs the Champions of UFC (what an awesome show that woudl be, I doubt that would ever happen in one event), we would know for sure which organization has the better champions (maybe not necessarily the best fighters, but doesnt the belt holder represent the best his organization has to offer at that particular class? Wouldn't that in turn reflect the caliber of the other fighters in that division. )


with all that being said...

UFC are teh suck
Orlandi0053
4/13/07 12:45:33AM
Does any one feel that they may change the rules of pride or vise versa of ufc becuase of new ownership?
JunCTion
4/13/07 1:37:38AM

Posted by Orlandi0053

Does any one feel that they may change the rules of pride or vise versa of ufc becuase of new ownership?



they already have said pride will take on ufc rules. its in a couple other posts about the merger.

i see you are new. welcome
Orlandi0053
4/13/07 12:16:55PM
yeh sorry lol im new to this stuff haha but i dont know if i like that becuase u cant strike the head with a kick when a person is grounded in ufc same if you want to knee someone so you dont think they will mix both?
JunCTion
4/13/07 1:00:14PM

Posted by Orlandi0053

yeh sorry lol im new to this stuff haha but i dont know if i like that becuase u cant strike the head with a kick when a person is grounded in ufc same if you want to knee someone so you dont think they will mix both?



never in the USA

check out the UFC / PRIDE forum thread knees to the head of a downed opponent
IceMan23
4/13/07 6:53:34PM
Hopefully they will start integrating fighters from both organizations back and forth just like they did with Monson vs. Fujita. That will make for exciting fights in both the UFC and PRIDE.
EyedZero
4/14/07 5:26:37PM
I watched UFC 1 and was a fan instantly, I remained loyal until Pride FC began the great spectacul that it is today...I love how Pride always brings the fighters out to introduce them to the crowd...Trophies at the end of each match...And the most important factors, the fighters and rules...UFC was brutal, but Pride FC was beautiful...Now it doesnt matter...Pride will never be the same, and UFC wil slowly climb above...I know the rules are going to change as well as fighters contracts as to where they will be...But MMA is a relatively young sport that is in a transitionLets hope it doesnt stray too far off this beaten trail
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MethodMan
4/16/07 4:50:28AM
Also while it is true that UFC is the bigest MMA org in USA and pulls in the best fighters from across the country. With Pride's close proximity to K1 they can get some of the best strikers from around the world for example Mirko or Hunt, they obviously have the pick of the best submission wrestlers and fighters from across japan, also the BJJ and MMA teams from Brasil seem to favour pride becasuse elbows on the ground increase the odds of the fight being stoped due to a cut especially when the other person is on top and you are fighting from the guard. The danger with a change or rules and also difference in management is that they may lose the co-operation of K1, and K1 may improve its portion of the MMA market in Japan (they have the cash, the fighters and the fans already) Brasilian Teams will go to K1 or other orgs that do not use the elbows, leaving only a small percentage of foreign fighters and some homegrown talent, in fact when the take over is all done the traffic may be in a different direction than most expect with B class fighters for US based orgs shiped off to cut their teeth in japan before being given a shot in the UFC.
crunch57
4/16/07 9:40:07PM
both organizations have good and not so good fighters. the merge is great for the fans but not good for the fighters from a money point of view. look for someone with $ (bodog???) to step in and start paying the fighters what they are worth.
nellyhiphophead
4/17/07 12:48:20AM
they are soon to be like one in no time
Fanboy 1988
4/26/07 12:07:19AM
I wonder how Fedor would do considering Cop Cop's lost already?
MethodMan
4/27/07 7:46:10AM
Cro-cops been beat before remember Randleman he knocked cro-cop out and in the next fight Cro-cop finished him by guiloteen choke, I reckon for the next rematch Cro-cop wins by triangle .
Ultimate_fighter
5/7/07 8:03:44PM
EVERYONE.... I HAVE AN ANNOUCEMENT TO MAKE.....

UFC IS THE BEST, FACE IT!!!




JunCTion
5/7/07 8:47:29PM

Posted by Ultimate_fighter

EVERYONE.... I HAVE AN ANNOUCEMENT TO MAKE.....

UFC IS THE BEST, FACE IT!!!







well now it is obviously. but the first ten years of pride was beter than anything the UFC has done. especially bas & quadros and the overall event excitement (fans, entrances, personallities, etc.
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