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dstlvb
3/2/07 5:23:52PM
I dont understand the Pride has better fightewrs argument. At least not anymore. Just a galnce at the top 10 rankings show the UFC and Pride have split the top 10's in most weight classes almost evenly. P4P UFC-5, Pride-5
Heavywieghts Pride-5, UFC-5( counting Vera) Lightheavy UFC-5, Pride-5 MIddlewights UFC-4, Pride-5 Welterwights UFC -7 Pride-3 Lightwights UFC- 2
Pride-7.

SO besides UFC and Pride trading the WW for the LW everything else is even.
greeneyebandit
3/2/07 10:01:29PM
MMA is like barenukle fighting was in the late 1800's...and here is why...it is very popular...has a strong following, yet lacks total unification which may be a good thing, and a bad thing. Each organization brings good concepts to the table. I personally would like unification. This would allow the organization heads to act as promoters like boxing has today i.e. Don King, Bob Arum etc. but the best part is that all fighters would have an opportunity to fight each. One champ in each division with top contenders fighting for title shots.
zephead
3/2/07 11:00:43PM

Posted by greeneyebandit

MMA is like barenukle fighting was in the late 1800's...and here is why...it is very popular...has a strong following, yet lacks total unification which may be a good thing, and a bad thing. Each organization brings good concepts to the table. I personally would like unification. This would allow the organization heads to act as promoters like boxing has today i.e. Don King, Bob Arum etc. but the best part is that all fighters would have an opportunity to fight each. One champ in each division with top contenders fighting for title shots.



No thanks. Look how corrupt boxing is. The promoter runs the bussiness. Boxing has so many different belts. Nothing organized about their Champs at all.
greeneyebandit
3/2/07 11:17:45PM
Your right about all the different belts...thats why I said there is good and bad to the scenario. But my point is the fans want to see fighters from different org's fight and that won't happen without some kind of merger. If this sport continues to grow like it is it's only a matter of time.
BloodandTears
3/3/07 4:11:32PM

Posted by greeneyebandit

Your right about all the different belts...thats why I said there is good and bad to the scenario. But my point is the fans want to see fighters from different org's fight and that won't happen without some kind of merger. If this sport continues to grow like it is it's only a matter of time.



Consider that your first Props Bandit. Good thought. I'd rather see it like that, than never seeing a unified champ. It is only a matter of time. There is no sporting event thats immune to corruption! MMA is NOT an acception!
Baltimore_Brawler
3/3/07 4:12:50PM
I like pride better

their rules r better
n they have better more talented fighters
n deifinatly the croud is better

i think spike should put more pride fights on instead of ufc

tha only reason ufc is on is because they have more money
pride is a better all around organization
theBLADE
3/3/07 4:15:06PM
SIMPLE if u dont like UFC dont watch it! if u dont like PRIDE dont watch it!
be mma fans people
zephead
3/3/07 4:24:16PM

Posted by theBLADE

SIMPLE if u dont like UFC dont watch it! if u dont like PRIDE dont watch it!
be mma fans people



If only it was that simple. I have been saying that for years. People just want something to complain about.
Baltimore_Brawler
3/3/07 4:24:22PM
i like both of them

i jus like pride better
theBLADE
3/3/07 4:32:30PM
were only about to have 1 org anyway beings that the UFC just bought PRIDE..............
greeneyebandit
3/4/07 12:43:12AM
Then my point has been made...now let all speculation take a back seat...and let the real action begin... who's the man that can dominate each weight without someone saying he didn't fight the best...the best is with this org or that org.
farcode
3/4/07 2:17:47AM
Pride cards > UFC cards
loller90278
3/4/07 2:39:10AM
after watching ufc 68 and pride 33 in the matter of 1 week.. pride just compels me to watch more.. ufc crams 5 fights into 4 hours with about 2 hours of joe rogan and goldberg talkin about nothing.. the intro with the gladiator seems very out-dated to me..
mkiv9secsupra
3/5/07 1:56:16PM
Pride better watch out...If they lose another top fighter like Wanderlei or Minotauro they might just be going out of the game. they have already started the downward spiral with losing the tv deal in japan and losing CC and Rampage. If they keep on with this they might not be on TV within the next few years. The ufc marketing machine will take everything possible from pride if they can. i dont object either...i would rather a merger between the companies happen rather than a monopoly but the idea of the WORLDS top fighters in one organization rather than two.
Joealn
3/5/07 9:02:23PM
I agree. Pride seems to have the more talented fighters. Fedor and Cro Cop are probably the most talked about fighters in the world. And without doubt, the Pride heavyweights outclass UFC HWs. Barnett, Hunt, Big Nog...any one of the top five HWs in Pride could take the UFC HW title with ease.
UFC has some greats though; Randy, GSP, Chuck...so sometimes its hard to say.
chop-socky-flix
3/6/07 10:39:29AM

Posted by theBLADE

SIMPLE if u dont like UFC dont watch it! if u dont like PRIDE dont watch it!
be mma fans people




HAHa good try!!!

This gets on my nerves aswell i do however distinguish between UFC, Pride and MMA.

You should have said 'Be an MMA fan not a (insert organisation here) fan'

If you are american UFC did not invent MMA (shock horror!!)

If you are Japanese PRIDE did not invent MMA either (no surely not!!)

The 'organisations' (when people say the sport of UFC it always pixses me off) are simply that, organisations. MMA is a combat sport and sadly the rules do vary but in essence they are the same.

phew.
jocksmall
3/6/07 11:16:30PM
this argument has three sides, its kinda funny
1) i prefer pride shows over ufc shows
2) i prefer ufc shows over pride shows
3) your a "nuthugger" if you like one better than the other you should be a mma fan

i understand why some like pride and some like ufc . i dont understand why some are offened by poeple who like one better than the other and support there point of view with arguments. my guy is better than your guy etc..
if you like pride and think that ufc shows are a ripoff as far as value does that mean your not a mma fan? if you like ufc and think that pride is stupid for having champs fight nontitle fights and allowing fights to go too far when guys get hurt does that mean your not a mma fan?
im a dallas cowboy fan does that mean im not a nfl fan?
3 or 4 guys come over to my house for every ufc event and every pride event and have been doing so since bas rutten beat randleman for ufc title. i have all of the shows prior on tape and many rage of the cage box sets as well. i like most all of you support mma finacially. but right now i just prefer the pride shows to the ones the ufc are putting on. did you see final conflict?
i love the tournys
i feel ripped off when i get only 4 fights and 2 are decisions
i love hearing the pride refs yell "fight"
as ufc brings in more talent my mind could change but right now im convinced that pride puts on a better show.
and those of you who say you like both i say so do i . i am just honest enough to say which i like better.
i like pizza and i like beer but i like beer better
MMA
3/6/07 11:20:04PM
Both organizations have their pros and cons. I am sort of waiting for that one day in MMA history when either one of these major organizations collapses and the other takes over and makes a monopoly.

The thing is, if UFC takes over (which is the more probable scenario), we will never see knees, foot stomps, etc. again. I really hope Dana changes those rules, the UFC tends to favor wrestlers without those rules. =\
mkiv9secsupra
3/7/07 2:02:03AM
its not up to Dana wether they can use foot stomps or knees...its up to the state commision. right now the nevada state commission wont allow those things to happen bc they are just too dangerous to the fighters which is why prode can use them bc they are located in japan.
Jeffanori-Gomi
3/7/07 1:34:09PM

Posted by mkiv9secsupra

its not up to Dana wether they can use foot stomps or knees...its up to the state commision. right now the nevada state commission wont allow those things to happen bc they are just too dangerous to the fighters which is why prode can use them bc they are located in japan.



you are right about this but how come IFL allows knee strikes on the ground?

mkiv9secsupra
3/7/07 9:16:18PM

Posted by Jeffanori-Gomi


Posted by mkiv9secsupra

its not up to Dana wether they can use foot stomps or knees...its up to the state commision. right now the nevada state commission wont allow those things to happen bc they are just too dangerous to the fighters which is why prode can use them bc they are located in japan.



you are right about this but how come IFL allows knee strikes on the ground?




IFL doesnt operate in Nevada. They are focused on the east coast mostly.it'll just be up each states individual judgement i assume
Berti
3/8/07 5:20:45PM
to me its not about pride or ufc, thats the very thing that will hold them back as a sport...only buying one ppv or the other, we get both and support both, im a mma fan more then a ufc or pride fan...
zephead
3/8/07 5:32:07PM

Posted by MMA

Both organizations have their pros and cons. I am sort of waiting for that one day in MMA history when either one of these major organizations collapses and the other takes over and makes a monopoly.

The thing is, if UFC takes over (which is the more probable scenario), we will never see knees, foot stomps, etc. again. I really hope Dana changes those rules, the UFC tends to favor wrestlers without those rules. =\



It's up to each states Atheletic Commission. Dana has no say over them. Japan doesn't have commisions that regulate sports like the USA does.
mkiv9secsupra
3/8/07 6:41:30PM
i for one love the fact that the rules can vary... the no knees to downed opponents could help some ppl where as allowing them would help others. Wandy might have fewer wins (probly only by 2 - 3 wins) had he stayed in the ufc but also Liddell leaves himself wide open for the head kick when he is scrambling to get up. i support having multiple organizations. but also at the same time i would love all the major mma orgs. to have a partenership for a world league for all the champs and #1 contenders and such
pv3Hpv3p
3/9/07 4:14:09PM

Posted by mkiv9secsupra

its not up to Dana wether they can use foot stomps or knees...its up to the state commision. right now the nevada state commission wont allow those things to happen bc they are just too dangerous to the fighters which is why prode can use them bc they are located in japan.



UFC 70 is in the UK... Are stomps / soccerkicks banned by any org in England? For the sake of arguement, lets say they are allowed, Dana has stated that he will not change the rules...

So, I guess take that for what it's worth... I personally think they should be allowed... I don't see anything wrong with promoting something that leads to more fights being finished by the fighters as appose to LnP fights that go into the judge's hands...

If there are no specific sanctions in England or elsewhere in Europe, I wish the UFC would look into doing a tournament set up similar to Pride's... Tell me a UFC LHW tourny wouldn't be the shit!!
ryderstrong69
3/9/07 11:52:51PM
over all i like the UFC better with the exception of the heavyweight divison i think the UFC has much more depth to them, Pride seems to much like pro wrestling with match ups like fedor vs zulu or any fight involving giant silva, i also think the cage is much better for mma fightng than the ring because you have less restarts, my only compalint on the UFC and its not there fault but the state commsions is that they dont allow knees to a grounded opponents head, but at the same time i love that they allow elbows and i never understood why pride allows knees stomping and soccer kicks but no elbows
Ultimate_fighter
3/11/07 6:17:42PM
I hate pride compare to UFC. UFC has so much more talent. Pride's fights are boring to me and u no who the winner is right when the step in the ring, and a ring? come on, try a CAGE, the octagon!!! I also hate pride's time limts, 10 mins, 5 mins, 5 mins. And the rules are dumb too! u cant use ur elbow on the ground BUT,,,, u can head stomp someone!?! The manager of pride don't care about his fighters! its dumb! i love UFC. THEE FASTEST GROWING SPORT!
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Gladiator
3/11/07 6:34:16PM

Posted by Ultimate_fighter

I hate pride compare to UFC. UFC has so much more talent. Pride's fights are boring to me and u no who the winner is right when the step in the ring, and a ring? come on, try a CAGE, the octagon!!! I also hate pride's time limts, 10 mins, 5 mins, 5 mins. And the rules are dumb too! u cant use ur elbow on the ground BUT,,,, u can head stomp someone!?! The manager of pride don't care about his fighters! its dumb! i love UFC. THEE FASTEST GROWING SPORT!



ufc is not the fastest growing sport... MMA is. i like the ufc better as well but its pretty obvious u dont know too much about pride when u say their fights are predictable, or maybe u just didnt see the last event. i actually like the 10 min first round and wish the ufc would allow soccer kicks so it wouldnt be so biased for wrestlers.
mkiv9secsupra
3/12/07 1:07:09AM

Posted by Ultimate_fighter

I hate pride compare to UFC. UFC has so much more talent. Pride's fights are boring to me and u no who the winner is right when the step in the ring, and a ring? come on, try a CAGE, the octagon!!! I also hate pride's time limts, 10 mins, 5 mins, 5 mins. And the rules are dumb too! u cant use ur elbow on the ground BUT,,,, u can head stomp someone!?! The manager of pride don't care about his fighters! its dumb! i love UFC. THEE FASTEST GROWING SPORT!



does this guy know what hes talking about? someone fill him in....
pv3Hpv3p
3/16/07 4:38:12PM

Posted by mkiv9secsupra


Posted by Ultimate_fighter

I hate pride compare to UFC. UFC has so much more talent. Pride's fights are boring to me and u no who the winner is right when the step in the ring, and a ring? come on, try a CAGE, the octagon!!! I also hate pride's time limts, 10 mins, 5 mins, 5 mins. And the rules are dumb too! u cant use ur elbow on the ground BUT,,,, u can head stomp someone!?! The manager of pride don't care about his fighters! its dumb! i love UFC. THEE FASTEST GROWING SPORT!



does this guy know what hes talking about? someone fill him in....



No i don't think he does...

10 minute 1st round is fantastic... I can think of a few fights off the top of my head that could have been finished but the 1st five minutes ran out...

I think they allow kicks / knees because while they can be devistating techniques but they aren't AS prone to cutting your opponents as elbows are... So you don't get as many bullshit stoppages...

When I first started watching MMA, I thought that the cage kind of symbolized what it was about... The more I watched the more I realized that it was actually visually easier to see what was going on with just the ropes as appose to looking through chainlink... I've slowly changed my line of reasoning, and now believe that the ring adds legitimacy to the sport, and see the cage as kind of unnecesarry...

You should really sit back and watch some more Pride instead of just hating on it...

You must do really well wagering on Pride events because they are so predictable...

Have Soko, Diaz, and Hendo all the way, huh?
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