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hippysmacker
2/23/07 7:06:53PM
I took this article from MMAWEEKLY.COM





- FISHMAN THROWS DOWN AS UFC COUNTERS PRIDE
Friday, February 23, 2007 - by Ken Pishna - MMAWeekly.com

As the turbulent world of mixed martial arts continues to swirl, the soap opera surrounding Pride, the Ultimate Fighting Championship, and Ed Fishman is hitting a fever pitch. Pride is readying their second foray into the U.S. market, the UFC announced their move into the European market, and Fishman has shown his hand ready to buy Pride and challenge the UFC.

While Pride is busy ramping up events surrounding tomorrow night’s Pride 33, UFC president Dana White was busy countering by announcing the company’s return to the UK. At a press conference in England, White announced the signing of Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic training partner Fabricio Werdum to face Andre Arlovski at UFC 70 in Manchester on April 21 saying that he isn’t yet done raiding Pride’s roster.

Also announced for the UFC’s return to England were Cro Cop vs. Gabriel Gonzaga as the main event, Brit Michael Bisping vs. Elvis Sinosic, and Forrest Griffin vs. Ryoto Machida.

At the same time, Ed Fishman, a recent contender to purchase Pride if the company does in fact decide to sell, was making his own moves to counter the UFC’s announced return to England. As President of Pride USA, Fishman made a public challenge to the UFC to pit each organization’s #1 and #2 fighters in each of four weight classes against each other in a “Winner Take All” format with both companies putting up $20 million. The first organization to win 5 of the 8 bouts would take home the $40 million.

“I’ve always known that Pride has superior fighters over the UFC and the fans unanimously agree that Pride puts on a more exciting event. Once I fully acquire Pride FC, I intend to prove we have the best fighters, in what is sure to be the biggest prize, not just in mixed martial arts, but in sports history,” said Fishman.

Adding fuel to the fire are the constant rumors that Zuffa, the UFC’s parent company, has also been making a bid to purchase Pride FC while Pride president Nobuyuki Sakikabara has consistently stated that Pride is not for sale.

Although no resolution in clearly in site, it’s sure to be an entertaining, if not turbulent, time for mixed martial arts.

I don't think the UFC would go for this, they are taking Pride fighter's on a regular basis and have nothing to gain from it. It would just give pride exposure. It seems like a sign of desperation IMO. What I think Fishman should do is just buy Pride and stop the bleeding. He's got the money and connections to make Pride a serious US rival to the UFC. I would love to see this , but I can't see any logical reason why the UFC would do it .I don't wish to argue who would win it, it could go either way IMO. I just I'm glad the UFC, got Werdum because they need more depth at heavyweight, but I think Pride needs to sell to Fishman now. As much as I would like to see this card, I think it would be bad for MMA ( especially the fighter's pay) in the longrun if their is any monopoly. I respect the UFC's marketing skill, but I still think they would be seen as invader's in Japan and could lose that market. To sum it up, Pride needs a new infusion of cash and Fishman has it.Anybody willing to roll the dice with $20 million could do a lot for MMA. So sell it to him.
Drewsiph
2/25/07 12:20:58AM

Posted by tepid55

Pride has the better fighters overall.



Nick Diaz... a UFC reject just came in and owned Prides champ....

So did Trigg, but not in ownage....

UFC is getting more Pride fighters everday...

So as much as that might have been true, it isn't or won't be for long.

mmagod
2/25/07 2:55:53AM
dude cage is not better than a ring. have you ever seen a live event. you have to watch the big screen at a ufc event.
roadking95th
2/25/07 3:03:30AM
I agree that MMA=MMA. However, don't be dissing on Greco, Freestyle, and Folkstyle wrestling. Take note, you better prepare for it. Some of the best athletes, and strongest P4P, in High Schools across America are wrestlers. They are bringing their game to MMA. Fighters better learn it.
mmagod
2/25/07 3:03:39AM
better crowd at pride events no booing like the ufc with drunks and porn stars. i will still buy next weeks ufc ppv but i know i will feel let down when they show only 5 or 6 fights
roadking95th
2/25/07 3:14:48AM

Posted by mmagod

better crowd at pride events no booing like the ufc with drunks and porn stars. i will still buy next weeks ufc ppv but i know i will feel let down when they show only 5 or 6 fights



Looked like Pride had more porn stars, not necessarily a bad thing

Nicholas Cage looked horrible though!
AchillesHeel
2/25/07 10:53:05AM
I love - LOVE - the fact that PRIDE can show nine fights in 3-4 hours. They were moving things along so fast, I was getting dizzy. During UFC events, I get up and walk around the house between fights, get a drink, go to the head, maybe go online for a minute to read comments on the last match. Last night, I practically had to run to the fridge after a fight ended so I could get back in time for the next one. It was awesome.
ManBeast
2/25/07 3:40:40PM
at this turbelent time many can argue that the UFC > PrideFC because of the recent upsets in the LW and LHW divisions.

I prefer Pride's rules over the UFC's and I think elbows arent nearly as effective as a knee or soccer kick for stopping a fight on the ground.

as far as both orgs go I enjoy the UFC because it is in the states and easily obtained, I enjoy Pride because the fans are more respectfull to the fighters and get into the action better ( notice how the japanese crowds goes OYE! whenever a low kick is delivered).

jocksmall
2/25/07 6:31:56PM
pride puts on a better show. that show rocked without hw division that everyone agrees is the strongest
DJNocturnal
2/25/07 7:08:17PM
To me, Pride > UFC.

Production wise, UFC might be better. You guys can argue all day about how UFC has a cage and good marketing, but at the end of the day, Pride makes the best fight cards and Pride's talent pool is much stronger than the UFCs. Otherwise, UFC wouldnt have to go taking Pride's fighters.

Cage VS Ring? At a live event, if someone is mounted on some guy at the corner of the cage, I doubt you'd be able to make out whats going on unless you look at the big screen. At least you can see what's going on in the ring.

Announcers? WHO CARES? Do you watch a MMA event for the fights? Or do you watch them to listen to Rogan and Goldberg talk? BTW, Pride's announcers used to be better when Rutten was still there.

Can't people just watch MMA for the fights nowadays and not how it's shown to you?
hippysmacker
2/26/07 2:28:34AM

Posted by DJNocturnal

To me, Pride > UFC.

Production wise, UFC might be better. You guys can argue all day about how UFC has a cage and good marketing, but at the end of the day, Pride makes the best fight cards and Pride's talent pool is much stronger than the UFCs. Otherwise, UFC wouldnt have to go taking Pride's fighters.

Cage VS Ring? At a live event, if someone is mounted on some guy at the corner of the cage, I doubt you'd be able to make out whats going on unless you look at the big screen. At least you can see what's going on in the ring.

Announcers? WHO CARES? Do you watch a MMA event for the fights? Or do you watch them to listen to Rogan and Goldberg talk? BTW, Pride's announcers used to be better when Rutten was still there.

Can't people just watch MMA for the fights nowadays and not how it's shown to you?



Well, as to the ring or cage, very few people watch the event live( less than 20,000 in the US usually) I always watch it at home( on a bigscreen and since their is about 20 peopel at my house each time) I will guess at least 7 people per TV. Add in the people watching it in bars, over a hundred last time I went. If they just have 400,000 ppv buys( conservative estimate and their lowest in the last 5 PPV's) and you've got about 4 million people at least. So I think the cage is better for the sports exposure. MMA itself is good, there's no need to pick a particular org. IMO. Pride 33 was the best thing that could happen to their US chances to me. Exciting fight's, and we got to see them all.
zephead
2/26/07 8:19:10AM
I can't get into this "UFC is better" or "Pride is better." crap that goes on. I love MMA. All of MMA. No matter what org. it is. My favorite fight of alltime is the Lister vs. Flynn fight in the King of the Cage.

I have over 150 DVDs of fights. Pride, UFC, KOTC, Valor, IVC, Mecca, SportFight, Apex, Glaidiator Challenge, Bushido, Hook-n-Shoot, Bad Breed TV, Extreme Fighting, WFA, Super Brawl, MFC, WEC, WEF, UA Fighting, FFC, TKO, IFC, Cage Fights Unleashed. I have the documentries, Choke (Rickson Gracie) Rites of Passage, Pit Fight, Fight Night and Shamrock vs Ortiz: The Untold Truth Behind UFC Legendary Fued. (Most were oabtained from Sherdog. But kudos goes to Sun Coast. Got about 50 from them)

MMA as a whole needs our support. It's the only way it will grow. Most of the smaller shows are feeders for the "big boys." Pride and the UFC. Support all of MMA and in the end you end up suppporting your favorite show i.e. Pride or the UFC.

benihana
2/27/07 4:12:29AM
def well said

pride 33 was an insane event w/lots of really good fights
i don't think i've seen a ppv, as a whole, this good in a really long time
lots of good fights, u had your winners and losers, lets just hope
the next ppv can compare.. cuz this show straight blew my mind..
www-WeLoan-us
2/27/07 9:19:20AM
I think the UFC has great matchups and better well known fighters. I know the big argument is who is better UFC or Pride? If Nick Diaz went over there and beat Gomi imagine what GSP, Matt Huges, Diego etc would do to him. Bj Penn destroyed Gomi in there fight. Pride definitly has some top fighters, BUT I think the UFC has more and will continue to bring PRIDE fighters over to the UFC.
MattHughes
2/27/07 4:14:52PM

Posted by Trapt1nw0nder

UFC is better...i would rather want all the great MMA fighters around the world fighting in the UFC..than all the worlds best MMA fighters fighting in Pride


Cage > Ring

UFC Commentators > Pride Commentators

Referee's- UFC > Pride

UFC rules are more professional and not too absurd..(head stomps?? i know pride cares more about being entertaining than they do about the safety of their fighters...(fights go on way too long after someone is hurt)

the only thing better in Pride is more respectful fans...(at least the ones in the crowd)..but..thats gonna stop now that they're here in the U.S


yeah i agree, i would say maybe pride has the overall better talent but champ vs champ i would say ufc takes just about all of them except fedor
jocksmall
2/27/07 5:42:52PM
i do support all mma watch both pride and ufc on ppv and attend rage of the cage and other "feeder" shows live. there is nothing wrong with pointing out the shortcomings of business like pride or ufc. if enough poeple recognize the improvements that can be made so will the decision makers in the ufc or pride. then maybe the ufc will do a better job with its matchmaking and pride will learn some of the marketing tactics that have made the ufc more accesable. i for one dont want a monoply of the sport w/ ufc calling the shots i want pride to prosper or the ufc to be more like pride with the number and quality of the matches
zephead
2/27/07 6:07:46PM

Posted by jocksmall

i do support all mma watch both pride and ufc on ppv and attend rage of the cage and other "feeder" shows live. there is nothing wrong with pointing out the shortcomings of business like pride or ufc. if enough poeple recognize the improvements that can be made so will the decision makers in the ufc or pride. then maybe the ufc will do a better job with its matchmaking and pride will learn some of the marketing tactics that have made the ufc more accesable. i for one dont want a monoply of the sport w/ ufc calling the shots i want pride to prosper or the ufc to be more like pride with the number and quality of the matches



I agree, there's nothing wrong with pointing out the shortcomings of the UFC or Pride. But they way it's done on the net is not pointing it out, it is bashing, bashing and more bashing. The UFC could learn from Pride and show more fights like Pride does. Pride could learn from the UFC and have their champs lay the title on the line every time the champ fights and quit with the "freak shows" i.e. Fedor/Zulu, anybody Giant Silva fights, Crop Cop/Dos.

After every Pride or UFC card the nuthuggers come out in full force. Thread after thread of "That card sucked" or "That's why (whatever org) is the best." I for one don't want to log on and then have to wade through all the garbage to find something worthwhile to read.

We're all MMA fans and need to enjoy that we are getting to see Pride, the UFC, Elite XC and WEC. Showtime and Vs are jumping on the bandwagon. Supossedly Dana, ESPN and HBO are talking. It's a great time to be a fan of all MMA.
jocksmall
2/27/07 6:36:41PM

Posted by zephead


Posted by jocksmall

i do support all mma watch both pride and ufc on ppv and attend rage of the cage and other "feeder" shows live. there is nothing wrong with pointing out the shortcomings of business like pride or ufc. if enough poeple recognize the improvements that can be made so will the decision makers in the ufc or pride. then maybe the ufc will do a better job with its matchmaking and pride will learn some of the marketing tactics that have made the ufc more accesable. i for one dont want a monoply of the sport w/ ufc calling the shots i want pride to prosper or the ufc to be more like pride with the number and quality of the matches



I agree, there's nothing wrong with pointing out the shortcomings of the UFC or Pride. But they way it's done on the net is not pointing it out, it is bashing, bashing and more bashing. The UFC could learn from Pride and show more fights like Pride does. Pride could learn from the UFC and have their champs lay the title on the line every time the champ fights and quit with the "freak shows" i.e. Fedor/Zulu, anybody Giant Silva fights, Crop Cop/Dos.

After every Pride or UFC card the nuthuggers come out in full force. Thread after thread of "That card sucked" or "That's why (whatever org) is the best." I for one don't want to log on and then have to wade through all the garbage to find something worthwhile to read.

We're all MMA fans and need to enjoy that we are getting to see Pride, the UFC, Elite XC and WEC. Showtime and Vs are jumping on the bandwagon. Supossedly Dana, ESPN and HBO are talking. It's a great time to be a fan of all MMA.

rearnakedchoke
2/27/07 11:23:57PM
I just posted this same reply in a Sherdog topic, but it definitely applies here I feel. So hopefully it's ok with the mods. (Minor editing so it applies directly to this thread).It pertains more to talent pools and fighter quality than marketing or production.

It's almost as if noone realizes that they're two completely different organizations. Has it not crossed anyone's mind that while a fighter may be comfortable in one org., he may not in another? Take Frank Trigg for example. A lot of people are using him and Diaz as example of how a UFC reject can go in and beat highly-touted pride talents. If you think they're the exact same fighters they were in the ufc, I'm sorry but youre wrong. There are a million different elements that go into a fight. Maybe they've been training harder, maybe they're shaking off ring-rust. It could be something as simple as the over-the-top pride intro's get them fired up before a bout like ufc couldn't do.

The same can be said for the so-called pride fighters that come into the ufc and do terribly. Let's use the Heath Herring example. He fought 17 times in pride. 17. Do you honestly think he'd feel the exact same way and enter the octagon for the first way he did the pride ring 17 times? There's an adjustment to be made.
Then we can look at it the other way. Anderson Silva fought in pride, and while there defeated former ufc welterweight champion and staple Carlos Newton. Then came into the ufc and absolutely annihilated two of its most popular fighters in Leben and Franklin.

Now I know there are ufc fans who think I am pride nuthugging. But I digress. The same argument can be made on the other hand for the ufc. There have been ufc fighters who went to pride and did not fare well. Jens Pulver for example never lost in the UFC (not counting Lauzon). But when he went to pride he had only a 2-2 record. Then you have someone like Diaz who was 6-4 in the UFC and came to PRIDE and had an impressive victory over a man who was touted as the world's best.

I know that my points may be slightly scattered, but what I'm really trying to say is it depends on the fighters, it has nothing to do with one organization being better than the other. Sometimes fighters who have done well in the ufc go to pride and do badly. sometimes those who have done not so well in the ufc go to pride and do great. The exact opposte can be said for both of these statements.


Just to touch on production. There is no doubt in my mind that Pride puts on a better show when you look at it from an energetic standpoint. First of all, they keep the action coming. Their arena setups are also absolutely phenomenal. One thing I especially love is when they play the pride theme and announce the fighters by matchup at the beginning of the show. It's a surefire way to get everyone in the right frame of mind.

A lot of my points may seem to favor Pride, but I truly do love both orgs, neither one more than the other. To paraphrase a quote someone once said: "ufc is the beer and pizza of mma, pride is the champagne and caviar". Me personally? I like all four.
jdubs
2/28/07 6:13:37PM
i have always been crazy bout ufc but latley i am kind of becoming fond of pride cause they are more proffesional, both are balanced with good fighters though.. i think with the right marketing and fighters exc could become the next ufc
dogleg
3/1/07 2:01:59AM
I dont mind favoring one org over another and nuthugging is almost tolerable but Pride fans may be more respectful at the shows but as far as on the net they disrespect anything non pride or anything u.s. Not talking about a Pride fan,but a Pride-snob gets on my last nerve and there are hundreds of these kids.They think Pride as a promo is better, fighters are better, they as fans are better, and they think of a ufc fan as George Bush. Opinions are fine but these dudes are loving blindly and you could beat wandy up with a ufc janitor and they would still say he is top 3 lhw. I respect every1's opinion but only if mine is respected as well.
ac_gi
3/1/07 3:06:05AM

Posted by dogleg

I dont mind favoring one org over another and nuthugging is almost tolerable but Pride fans may be more respectful at the shows but as far as on the net they disrespect anything non pride or anything u.s. Not talking about a Pride fan,but a Pride-snob gets on my last nerve and there are hundreds of these kids.They think Pride as a promo is better, fighters are better, they as fans are better, and they think of a ufc fan as George Bush. Opinions are fine but these dudes are loving blindly and you could beat wandy up with a ufc janitor and they would still say he is top 3 lhw. I respect every1's opinion but only if mine is respected as well.



The Pride fans at the events and the e-Pride fans are very different.
Northrend
3/1/07 3:38:49AM
Pride-Better show, Better fighters (IMO), better fights, tournaments, soccer kicks/stomps/knees to the head (Love them!), better commentators (Frank Trigg is 1 of my fav fighters and Id rather hear him then Rogan or Mike), very respectfull fans in Japan (no booing...really gets on my nerves)

I honestly tried to think of better stuff the UFC had but I couldn't think of it =(
Love both orgs don't get me wrong but strongly preffer Pride over UFC.
dogleg
3/1/07 10:26:23AM
Pride = MXC annex
mmadb
3/1/07 10:40:01AM
Let me just make one point.

I just watched every fight on a Pride Card, have you EVER done that watching the UFC? Less talk more rock!
zephead
3/1/07 4:55:41PM

Posted by mmadb

Let me just make one point.

I just watched every fight on a Pride Card, have you EVER done that watching the UFC? Less talk more rock!



Every single UFC. Fighting is more technique and stratergy. Not just a highliht reel KO or slick submission. Diego/Karo fight was great. Great transitions and clinch work. And the the Griffin/Bonnar fight was great for a different reason. Like I've posted before, my favorite fight of alltime is in the King Of the Cage, Lister vs. Flynn. You ever get a chance to watch that fight, do it.

'.ve watched a few Prides where the cards were not that good. But to you, you just said you've "watched every fight on a Pride Card." And then added, "have you EVER done that watching the UFC?" So that tells me that you do not like the UFC and are a "fan (or nuthugger of Pride)" That's cool. But in my opinion, to say you have watched every single fight of Prides on every single card and had no problem but can't do the same for the UFC means there's something there. You are all over one and don't like the other.

I am a fan of all MMA. You ought to try it, it's pretty cool. You have Hook-n-Shoot, Apex, Mecca, Gladiator Challenge. Granted no name fighters, but some great fights. Some of the best fights I've ever seen have been in the King Of the Cage. I own every KOTC that is on DVD. I have well over 150 fights cards on DVD. Every org. that puts out a DVD I buy.

One day everybody (or close to it) will support the sport and not just one org. Until then we'll have this childish "UFC sucks, no Pride sucks" high school garbage that goes on. Suppirt all of MMA.
DJNocturnal
3/1/07 8:01:07PM

Posted by zephead


Posted by mmadb

Let me just make one point.

I just watched every fight on a Pride Card, have you EVER done that watching the UFC? Less talk more rock!



Every single UFC. Fighting is more technique and stratergy. Not just a highliht reel KO or slick submission. Diego/Karo fight was great. Great transitions and clinch work. And the the Griffin/Bonnar fight was great for a different reason. Like I've posted before, my favorite fight of alltime is in the King Of the Cage, Lister vs. Flynn. You ever get a chance to watch that fight, do it.

'.ve watched a few Prides where the cards were not that good. But to you, you just said you've "watched every fight on a Pride Card." And then added, "have you EVER done that watching the UFC?" So that tells me that you do not like the UFC and are a "fan (or nuthugger of Pride)" That's cool. But in my opinion, to say you have watched every single fight of Prides on every single card and had no problem but can't do the same for the UFC means there's something there. You are all over one and don't like the other.

I am a fan of all MMA. You ought to try it, it's pretty cool. You have Hook-n-Shoot, Apex, Mecca, Gladiator Challenge. Granted no name fighters, but some great fights. Some of the best fights I've ever seen have been in the King Of the Cage. I own every KOTC that is on DVD. I have well over 150 fights cards on DVD. Every org. that puts out a DVD I buy.

One day everybody (or close to it) will support the sport and not just one org. Until then we'll have this childish "UFC sucks, no Pride sucks" high school garbage that goes on. Suppirt all of MMA.



If I'm correct, he means, he saw EVERY FIGHT on a Pride card. Now can you do that with the UFC?

As in, every match at a Pride show, he was able to watch. Comparing to the UFC, you have like 3-4 fights, maybe showing one prelim if the night ends early. You get to watch ALL the fights on a Pride card, but you only get like 3-4 fights on a UFC.

Pride offers more action as a whole, while UFC offers literally more commentary than fights. I swear Goldberg has said "Coming up next, ____ versus _____" like maybe 20 times before the actual fight starts.
zephead
3/1/07 8:16:26PM

Posted by DJNocturnal


Posted by zephead


Posted by mmadb

Let me just make one point.

I just watched every fight on a Pride Card, have you EVER done that watching the UFC? Less talk more rock!



Every single UFC. Fighting is more technique and stratergy. Not just a highliht reel KO or slick submission. Diego/Karo fight was great. Great transitions and clinch work. And the the Griffin/Bonnar fight was great for a different reason. Like I've posted before, my favorite fight of alltime is in the King Of the Cage, Lister vs. Flynn. You ever get a chance to watch that fight, do it.

'.ve watched a few Prides where the cards were not that good. But to you, you just said you've "watched every fight on a Pride Card." And then added, "have you EVER done that watching the UFC?" So that tells me that you do not like the UFC and are a "fan (or nuthugger of Pride)" That's cool. But in my opinion, to say you have watched every single fight of Prides on every single card and had no problem but can't do the same for the UFC means there's something there. You are all over one and don't like the other.

I am a fan of all MMA. You ought to try it, it's pretty cool. You have Hook-n-Shoot, Apex, Mecca, Gladiator Challenge. Granted no name fighters, but some great fights. Some of the best fights I've ever seen have been in the King Of the Cage. I own every KOTC that is on DVD. I have well over 150 fights cards on DVD. Every org. that puts out a DVD I buy.

One day everybody (or close to it) will support the sport and not just one org. Until then we'll have this childish "UFC sucks, no Pride sucks" high school garbage that goes on. Support all of MMA.



If I'm correct, he means, he saw EVERY FIGHT on a Pride card. Now can you do that with the UFC?

As in, every match at a Pride show, he was able to watch. Comparing to the UFC, you have like 3-4 fights, maybe showing one prelim if the night ends early. You get to watch ALL the fights on a Pride card, but you only get like 3-4 fights on a UFC.

Pride offers more action as a whole, while UFC offers literally more commentary than fights. I swear Goldberg has said "Coming up next, ____ versus _____" like maybe 20 times before the actual fight starts.



My bad. Yes, the UFC needs to show more fights on a card. The talking has to cut down and the long entrances have to stop. I use to think that Pride was able to show all their fights because they were able to edit before we saw the PPV, but Saturday night showed that not to be the case.

If Pride continues to do cards in the USA, the UFC will be hurting by not showing more fights.
hippysmacker
3/1/07 10:09:18PM
I agree the UFC needs to show all the fight's, and I'm glad Pride has done so recently.This wasn't always the case though. Maybe the UFC will start doing it too. If the UFC would start doing that, and Pride would stop having non-title matches I would be in heaven
mmadb
3/2/07 7:17:01AM

Posted by DJNocturnal


Posted by zephead


Posted by mmadb

Let me just make one point.

I just watched every fight on a Pride Card, have you EVER done that watching the UFC? Less talk more rock!



Every single UFC. Fighting is more technique and stratergy. Not just a highliht reel KO or slick submission. Diego/Karo fight was great. Great transitions and clinch work. And the the Griffin/Bonnar fight was great for a different reason. Like I've posted before, my favorite fight of alltime is in the King Of the Cage, Lister vs. Flynn. You ever get a chance to watch that fight, do it.

'.ve watched a few Prides where the cards were not that good. But to you, you just said you've "watched every fight on a Pride Card." And then added, "have you EVER done that watching the UFC?" So that tells me that you do not like the UFC and are a "fan (or nuthugger of Pride)" That's cool. But in my opinion, to say you have watched every single fight of Prides on every single card and had no problem but can't do the same for the UFC means there's something there. You are all over one and don't like the other.

I am a fan of all MMA. You ought to try it, it's pretty cool. You have Hook-n-Shoot, Apex, Mecca, Gladiator Challenge. Granted no name fighters, but some great fights. Some of the best fights I've ever seen have been in the King Of the Cage. I own every KOTC that is on DVD. I have well over 150 fights cards on DVD. Every org. that puts out a DVD I buy.

One day everybody (or close to it) will support the sport and not just one org. Until then we'll have this childish "UFC sucks, no Pride sucks" high school garbage that goes on. Suppirt all of MMA.



If I'm correct, he means, he saw EVERY FIGHT on a Pride card. Now can you do that with the UFC?

As in, every match at a Pride show, he was able to watch. Comparing to the UFC, you have like 3-4 fights, maybe showing one prelim if the night ends early. You get to watch ALL the fights on a Pride card, but you only get like 3-4 fights on a UFC.

Pride offers more action as a whole, while UFC offers literally more commentary than fights. I swear Goldberg has said "Coming up next, ____ versus _____" like maybe 20 times before the actual fight starts.



Exactly, it was more of a compliment towards Pride then a dig on UFC. I still love the UFC and actually have every single event they've ever held on a hard drive somewhere (Pride's too for that matter) but I simply prefer Pride. More fights = more action = more MMA = more me happy. I get tired of the same stupid promo vignette between every fight and all the blah blah blah. Let the fighting do the entertaining.

I am honoured to finally be called a nuhugger though because I sure do love nuts.
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