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jocksmall
2/11/07 6:17:29PM
i love the ufc and buy most of the events on ppv. it just seems to me that the pride cards are far better matchups with better talent in many cases. can other ufc fans look at it objectively and come to the same conclusion?
nellyhiphophead
2/11/07 6:24:07PM
yes i think the same fir the most
MMA
2/11/07 6:29:46PM
Sometimes, I do not understand Joe Silva's choices.
tepid55
2/11/07 6:43:42PM
Pride has the better fighters overall.
Jeffanori-Gomi
2/11/07 7:07:51PM
Pride has the majority of talent now but I really think the UFC will be the undisputed dominant force of MMA in a few years if the Pride business model doesnt change.
Spud
2/11/07 7:27:46PM

Posted by MMA

Sometimes, I do not understand Joe Silva's choices.





about sums it up.
hippysmacker
2/11/07 7:43:18PM
This is the 4th UFC vs Pride thread( In one form or another) in a month, God help us all. I love MMA ,and will never love any org more than the other.


UFC advantages IMO-- has no freak show matches, makes the champs defend their belts, know's how to produce a show, never cuts away to audience shot's in the middle of a round,allow elbows , no soocer kicks or footstomps which are bad IMO and generally let's their fighter's know who they are fighting in advance.

Pride advantages IMO-Signifigantly more depth at HVY, the best fighter in the world IMO( Fedor), Allows knee's to the head on the ground, more knowledgable and repectful fans as a whole, more proven ( this does not mean better) lightweights at least against eachother


Does this make one beter IMO. No, I love them both and all MMA. I'm going to pin this topic and change the title to pride vs UFC. That way no one will hjave to start anymore of these threads.
Trapt1nw0nder
2/12/07 12:59:05AM
UFC is better...i would rather want all the great MMA fighters around the world fighting in the UFC..than all the worlds best MMA fighters fighting in Pride


Cage > Ring

UFC Commentators > Pride Commentators

Referee's- UFC > Pride

UFC rules are more professional and not too absurd..(head stomps?? i know pride cares more about being entertaining than they do about the safety of their fighters...(fights go on way too long after someone is hurt)

the only thing better in Pride is more respectful fans...(at least the ones in the crowd)..but..thats gonna stop now that they're here in the U.S
BabbyHughes
2/12/07 1:04:02AM
I love both. There are things about Pride I dont like and things about the UFC I dont like.

Pros

Pride: Many very competitive matches, fighters I know of on every fight card just about, expensive fighter entrances , some very entertaining fighters (Fedor, Wandy, Shogun, the Nogs, Gomi, etc), 1st round is 10 min, strong HW and LHW divisions, and a very respectful audience.

UFC: Great announcers, awesome Gladiator style entrances (crowd surrounding the fighters cheering), the Octagon, energetic crowd, great promoting of matches and fighter information (interviews mostly), some competitive matches, good referees (except Yamasaki), strong WW and LHW division.

Cons

Pride: the female entrance announcer's voice scares me, the announcers need improvement, the ring, the referees seem biased, not enough title bouts, some really one sided match ups (Fedor vs. Zulu), past events weren't live for US television.

UFC: often too many no name fighters fighting instead of well known fighters on every card (there are enough great fighters under UFC contract, to have great matches every UFC), weak HW divison prior to Cro Cop, inapropriate booing from crowd happens often.

And that's about all that comes to mind, at this moment...
hippysmacker
2/12/07 2:15:25AM

Posted by BabbyHughes

I love both. There are things about Pride I dont like and things about the UFC I dont like.

Pros

Pride: Many very competitive matches, fighters I know of on every fight card just about, expensive fighter entrances , some very entertaining fighters (Fedor, Wandy, Shogun, the Nogs, Gomi, etc), 1st round is 10 min, strong HW and LHW divisions, and a very respectful audience.

UFC: Great announcers, awesome Gladiator style entrances (crowd surrounding the fighters cheering), the Octagon, energetic crowd, great promoting of matches and fighter information (interviews mostly), some competitive matches, good referees (except Yamasaki), strong WW and LHW division.

Cons

Pride: the female entrance announcer's voice scares me, the announcers need improvement, the ring, the referees seem biased, not enough title bouts, some really one sided match ups (Fedor vs. Zulu), past events weren't live for US television.

UFC: often too many no name fighters fighting instead of well known fighters on every card (there are enough great fighters under UFC contract, to have great matches every UFC), weak HW divison prior to Cro Cop, inapropriate booing from crowd happens often.

And that's about all that comes to mind, at this moment...



Good point's about the fighter bias, and that chick's voice bugs me
pv3Hpv3p
2/12/07 9:27:50AM
UFC rules are more professional and not too absurd..(head stomps?? i know pride cares more about being entertaining than they do about the safety of their fighters...(fights go on way too long after someone is hurt)
^ ^ ^ That was a quote ^ ^ ^

IMO, the reason that soccer kicks, stomps and knees to a downed opponent are allowed is to stop fights like Koschek / Joslin (sp?) and HH / Obrien... There is much less LnP, and that does lead to more exciting fights.

Prides rules are not absurd they are there to encourage fighters to finish the fight. Do you think Travis Lutter would have laid on his back for the last 15 seconds of Rd1 in the A.SIlva fight if stomps were allowed?

Pride's stable of fighters right now is better that the UFC... HW division is obvious... They have 4 of the top 5 LHW's... MW division is excelent... And it's difficult to compare LW and WW divisions because the UFC's LW is still developing and Pride doesn't have a WW.

I personally like the cage better than the ring, less of those awkward restarts, and just know more about the history of the UFC so I am a little biased in that sense.

I also think Prides yellow card system is a good addition to the game as long as it is not overused (which generally it isn't)
Manfred
2/12/07 10:43:39AM
I like both but here are some concerns with developments over the last few months:

UFC - Too big, too fast. If the UFC buys Pride (or it goes under) they basically have a monopoly. Fighters, fans and everyone in between will be at Dana's will. Competition is good for customer and gives fighters more career options.

- Ultimate Kickboxing is not MMA! They seem to encourage and promote the stikers over the grapplers. Look no further than Joe Daddy's post-fight APOLOGY for a round 1 submission. Why hasn't Chuck fought a legit striker in the UFC since Belfort in '02? They want the KO highlight.

Pride - As mentioned by some others, the soccer kicks/stomps got to go. So does the female announcer. I can do without freakshows but wouldn't mind so much if it didn't involve top tier guys. Fedor/Zulu was an insult to everything Fedor has worked for and earned.

- We know they have a stacked HW and LHW (MW for them) divisions. But it appears, so do they! They seemed to have rested on thier laurels (sp?) and haven't developed new talent outside of the LWs. With Dana's pockets getting deeper by the millisecond, it's only a matter of time before the talent pool roles are reversed if PRIDE doesn't fix that.
madmarck
2/12/07 10:48:56AM
UFC= PRIDE

Bam i said it. they are both good. Both have ups and downs but they cancel out. Both Rule. Im right most of you are wrong (cept Hippysmaka). I just laid down the Matt Lindland (law). OH yeah.
IFL> KOTC/Elite XC/CR/TKO/IFC
SICKRICK
2/12/07 11:04:54AM
i think ufc is the most dominated... but pride is good to.. marketing has alot to do with it... and ufc has done thier homework
jwvincent32
2/12/07 11:23:04AM
I personally like pride better seems to be a real differance in the respect the fighters have I like the soccer kicks and stomps but I also like the old ufc bare knuckle fights thats just my thoughts
loller90278
2/12/07 12:08:58PM
i'll take pride any day over ufc.. if i cared a lot about the "woman with the freaky voice" the commentators, and other entertainment value aspects like that, i'd watch UFC. if i want to watch top level fighters do what they do best, i'll pick pride. ufc for the moment pleases their TUF crowd and not their die-hards, which is better from of course the money issue, but not good for us. all pride needs to do is get their act together via promoting events, which i think they're already takin a step towards.


pride fighters > ufc fighters,
i personally prefer the ring
the female commentator is a nice touch
the entrances are much better

hathcock32
2/12/07 4:42:40PM
We will see who the better organization clearly..by the end of the year. As the year goes on UFC will land more big names from PRIDE. As for the Ufc the Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg announcing far outs Pride. Ring entrances by far the ufc. UFC feels like a fight night. Pride feels like a laid back casual event.
zephead
2/12/07 5:01:49PM
Alright. You can't have enough of these threads.

I support all MMA. I just ordered Showtime for the Elite XC. I don't care what rog it is. They all have their strengths and weaknesses.
hippysmacker
2/13/07 4:51:36PM

Posted by zephead

Alright. You can't have enough of these threads.

I support all MMA. I just ordered Showtime for the Elite XC. I don't care what rog it is. They all have their strengths and weaknesses.



Amen and props brudda!
CincySaint
2/13/07 11:14:17PM
I actually disagree, I am and have always been a UFC fan, and after looking over more fight footage from Pride I still believe that the UFC fighters are better all around. I will admit that many of the Pride fights are more entertaining, but I do not think that translates into the pride fighters being more talented. Many times i think the fights are more exciting because the fighters are less well-rounded. The easiest place to see the dfference is the lack of wrestling skills I find in the Pride Fighters, now I know there are exceptions but I think there is a real advantage to the UFC in this department.
I think many of the Pride fighters go in determined to get a great knockout, so they stand in front of each other and throw bombs until one goes down, which i agree is awesome to watch, but not the greatest way to get a win all of the time.
That being said I do love Pride also. It is like trying to argue between Jim Beam and Jack Daniels, either way we're gettin fuckd up ! I think now that the UFC offers as much to the fighters as Pride we will see alot of League jumping and it will be easier to see who the best of the best are.


Knibb High Football Rules!!!!
SICKRICK
2/14/07 7:27:06AM
i agree with zep and hippy, they both are great and i will watch any MMA , as long as it is on then im watching
DirtySouthBoss
2/14/07 7:44:51PM

Posted by SICKRICK

i agree with zep and hippy, they both are great and i will watch any MMA , as long as it is on then im watching





why do we hate? I think they both keep eachother sharp which does nothing but help us people.
Snacks
2/14/07 9:33:23PM
Who cares? Shooto is where it's at.
BrAeDeN91
2/14/07 10:41:48PM
i used to think that pride had better cards but the last few ufc cards lke since 65 on have been awesome but pride has the ability to do ground stomps and knees to the head etc. but i like all mma the same
Greene33
2/16/07 12:32:29PM
I hope this board doesnt get as bad as Sherdog with all of this UFC vs Pride stuff. But personally i think they both have there + and -..

UFC is way more accessable to the American Fan, its broadcasted on Free TV once a month and has weekly TV shows promoting there product.

Pride is huge in Japan but there attempt to bring it to mainstream US fans seems forced and without Full Pride Rules and crazy US vs Japan matchmaking they are showing us a worse product than we are use too....

But i am a fan of both and think that Pride is more entertaining overall (only the shows in Japan) but seems to be on the outside looking in at the US Market.....
Ultimate_fighter
2/16/07 11:31:46PM

Posted by jocksmall

i love the ufc and buy most of the events on ppv. it just seems to me that the pride cards are far better matchups with better talent in many cases. can other ufc fans look at it objectively and come to the same conclusion?



Well to tell you the truth. UFC dominates. The fighters are great, the rules are professional, money wise well we all know UFC is the most popular sport out there right now. UFC is the fastest growing sport by far. Only just a fight night brings in more money and fans then a world series or even a superbowl. Come on, Everyone knows UFC is the best of the best
ac_gi
2/16/07 11:44:56PM
MMA = MMA

Now if we could get Pride to allow elbows and UFC to allow kicks to the head of a downed opponent, I would be in dreamland.

But I have to give it up to the Pride fans, their MMA smarts are superior to UFC fans. However, MMA fans are superior to both!
THE_AXE_MURDERER
2/17/07 3:21:12PM
PRIDE is by far the better organization better fighters,better rules,better entrances,the fans never boo the fighters much more respect shown in PRIDE.
Someguy
2/17/07 7:09:13PM

Posted by CincySaint

I actually disagree, I am and have always been a UFC fan, and after looking over more fight footage from Pride I still believe that the UFC fighters are better all around. I will admit that many of the Pride fights are more entertaining, but I do not think that translates into the pride fighters being more talented. Many times i think the fights are more exciting because the fighters are less well-rounded. The easiest place to see the dfference is the lack of wrestling skills I find in the Pride Fighters, now I know there are exceptions but I think there is a real advantage to the UFC in this department.



As much as the UFC has grown in the past few years I don't know how you can claim their fighters are more well rounded. I think the problem with a lot of new MMA fans that start with the UFC and refuse to branch off to anything else is that they see a lot of the typical UFC fighters with their backgrounds (comprised of alot of wrestling with minimal striking and ground ability) and think that's the default for the majority of fighters, but it's not. Look at some of the top tier combatants right now and a lot of them have no formal wrestling training (what you think of as american wrestling), shit I would contend that Sambo is more effective in the ring then wrestling entirely based off of the preformance of one Fedor Emelianenko and only because I have a hard on for him, I guess

Anyways there are things I like in both organizations that I think would benefit each other; UFC's ability to mass market itself and do a ******* awesome job of it, and Prides professionalism concerning fighters and rules and whatnot, also how can you claim a cage looks more professional then a ring? Not to mention I'd rather see head stomps and knees that will END a fight instead of useless ******* elbows that serve no other purpose then to cut and bloody the opponant and have that fight stopped (unless you're Kendal Grove and like to get knocked out by elbows lols).
zephead
2/19/07 5:56:36PM

Posted by THE_AXE_MURDERER

PRIDE is by far the better organization better fighters,better rules,better entrances,the fans never boo the fighters much more respect shown in PRIDE.



But don't forget Pride fans throwing stuff into the ring after the Silva/Kondo fight on the Clash Of the Titans card.That hasn't happend at a UFC. Don't forget all the mismatches in Pride. Fedor/Zulu. Cro-Cop/ Dos. Giant Silva/Whomever he fights. Butter Bean. LA Giant. etc. etc. etc.
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