Posted by Jeffanori-Gomi
I never really understood why K1 hasnt become huge in the US as it is elsewhere.
People love standup battles and K1 is good for that, but Im guessing the USA's boxing market would outshadow the K1 market.?? Your thoughts?
I think if the UFC implemented a rule system similar to PRIDE. ie card system, knee strikes to the head, the new fanbase would appreciate the ground game more because there would be a reduction of weak takedowns due to being able to defend by kneeing to the face. We would then see more standup orientated matches IMO
your thoughts
Posted by hippysmacker
[...]it's better to help educate new fans than to flame them. [...]It will help our sport in the long run to just be patient and help educate IMO.
Posted by Jeffanori-Gomi
I never really understood why K1 hasnt become huge in the US as it is elsewhere.
I think if the UFC implemented a rule system similar to PRIDE. ie card system, knee strikes to the head, the new fanbase would appreciate the ground game more because there would be a reduction of weak takedowns due to being able to defend by kneeing to the face. We would then see more standup orientated matches IMO
Posted by redmist
Let's be honest here, the people who get drunk and boo don't want to be educated. They want to see "ultimate fighters" knocking hell out of each other. they don't visit sites like this for intelligent debate about the sport or search for videos of gogoplatas and anaconda chokes. They just want to turn up, drink, and chant "usa" if the opposition is foreign.
unfortunately this has effected things in the ufc. we don't get to see some fighters, even though they are close to recieving title shots (marquardt). and even fighters we've looked forward to seeing in the ufc for a while (machida). We also have fighters apologizing to the booing masses for daring to play to their strengths and keep the fight on the ground. I think going to the ground will eventually be rendered pointless because bjj guys won't have time to work for a position before they're stood up. But that's the price we might pay for the growing popularity.
hope i'm wrong and sorry to be so cynical.
Posted by CtOlaf
...like the video where Frank Shamrock chokes some DJ and in like 5 seconds the DJ is sleeping...
Posted by ac_gi
The reason strikers are more successful is because they are generally the more talented. I've trained in Kickboxing and Jiu-jitsu... you can teach someone to apply an armbar like (insert ground specialist here), you can't teach someone to throw a powerful punch with precision and accuracy like Chuck. There is a reason that strikers and GnP guys are ruling MMA.
The striker learns submission and takedown defense, then lets the bombs fly.
Let the flaming begin
Posted by hippysmacker
Posted by ac_gi
The reason strikers are more successful is because they are generally the more talented. I've trained in Kickboxing and Jiu-jitsu... you can teach someone to apply an armbar like (insert ground specialist here), you can't teach someone to throw a powerful punch with precision and accuracy like Chuck. There is a reason that strikers and GnP guys are ruling MMA.
The striker learns submission and takedown defense, then lets the bombs fly.
Let the flaming begin
No reason to flame anyone,I just disagree.
Posted by ac_gi
... I've trained in Kickboxing and Jiu-jitsu...
Posted by hippysmacker
I wouldn't say it's just UFC fans either. Most new fans to MMA don't have the technical knowledge to appreciate some of the finer point's of grappling. Just give them time. I understand your fears. I share them, and I don't think they are groundless. However, it's better to help educate new fans than to flame them. I'm not in anyway specifically targeting you or anyone with this observation.It's just something I've observed throughout the longtime , diehard, MMA community. As Aceprone posted a while back, Japanese fan's come from a culture rich in warrior tradition's, where their heroes are samurais. In America, western gunslinger's are as much heroes too us as anyone in our history . It will help our sport in the long run to just be patient and help educate IMO.
Posted by ac_gi
The reason strikers are more successful is because they are generally the more talented.
Posted by Svartorm
Posted by ac_gi
The reason strikers are more successful is because they are generally the more talented.
I disagree on that, but bare with me, as this might take a second and I'm kind of drunk right now.
Combat is more or less universal, in that it has two fundimentals, those being offense and defense. This applies to both large scale warfare and single combat, and in both situations, there will be a dominate force. After the advent of rifles, warfare switched to being defensive, as it became too difficult to attack entrenched troops without taking a disproportionate number of casualties. This became ever worse when the machinegun was invented, and it primarily why WW1 was so bloody. WW2 saw the tank come into play heavily, and the advent of better artillary, which changed warfare back to being offensive. The advent of new weapons and tactics will eventually change this back again.
MMA is similar in that new styles and weapons are invented all the time, and it changes the way fights are conducted. The reason strikers are dominating right now is because takedown defense is faster than actual takedowns. Its too difficult for groundfighters to get excellent strikers with excellent takedown defense on the ground, and those guys are winning right now. I think the next logical step to swing things back towards the grapplers is for guys with great clinch fighting and takedowns from clinch to come in and be able to impose their will.
Once again, if this makes no sense, its because I'm drunk.