Posted by EliasG
Actually this is you guys not liking a management team and making a judgement call based on zero facts. That's fine. Just call it what it is--A guess. We are about as close to these negotiations and the facts of the case as we are to the reasons for Jessica Simpson's break up with Romo. You don't know.
What you DO know is that a guy MUCH closer to the real life breathing situation said he was never made an offer. What you DO know is that a UFC spokesperson "claimed" that M-1 management "made a claim about a UFC offer. " If Gegard felt that he had been lied to wouldn't he have said it in this article? Silva slept on Gegard and admitted it in http://www.mmaplayground.com/forums/topic34924-1.html when he said, "We assumed...." after the Affliction joint. They never came with an offer, Gegard never said he was offered anything which discredits the claim that Silva made---Gegard called HIM to find about an offer. Gegard never said that happened---although it is in the interest of UFC to say that it did happen. After all, their whole goal right now is to discredit any and all things about M-1 so that they can get their hands on Fedor (who they call a joke) and now Gegard Mousasi who wasn't even on their radar screen.
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Sigh.... Where to start. Let's start with the complete misquote.
"when he said, "We assumed...." after the Affliction joint. They never came with an offer, Gegard never said he was offered anything which discredits the claim that Silva made---Gegard called HIM to find about an offer."
What Silva actually said is not anywhere close to what you wrote. Here is the passage you're "quoting"
""Not only did we not make an offer, but we would’ve assumed his Affliction contract and its terms."
Silva in no way contradicted himself, nor did he say they assumed anything. He said they would have ASSUMED the terms of his contract. In other words they would have honoured the contract he had with Affliction as though it were their own. The fact that both Joe Silva AND Gegard have said that no offer was made by the UFC only reinforces Joe's story. If you read more closely you will see that what was said is that Gegard called the UFC AFTER signing with Strikeforce to find out if what his management told him about a 40/40 offer from the UFC was true, which Joe said it was not.Joe Silva INTERVIEW
You can see in this interview of Joe Silva by a reporter that the whole thing about the quotes being as reliable as a tabloid magazine is not remotely true, and that he talks even further about the fact that Apy Echteld called him to clarify the issue of the 40/40 claim, saying that he was told by someone that this is what the UFC would be offering.
As to you saying "If Gegard felt that he had been lied to wouldn't he have said it in this article? " No? Most likely not.... People don't generally go on video slandering the people they are currently under contract with. If you're going to use that kind of logic, this would be a far more convincing argument:
"When asked about allegations that his management had misled him about the value of the UFC offer, Mousasi declined comment. "
Why would he decline to comment if his answer was going to be "no, I wasn't lied to" That's like someone pleading the fifth in court. Maybe you didn't officially say it, but by refusing to answer, you're essentially saying it's true. He was also clearly struggling to answer the last question diplomatically before settling on "There was never an offer from the UFC" which reinforces everything else already said, and indicates that there is some conflict he's trying to stay clear of.
Your post is the one based on assumptions and zero facts. Most other people's posts are based on direct quotes across about a half a dozen articles from Silva, Mousasi, and Apy Echteld, as well as the previous debacle with Fedor and Finkelschtein. You're openly rewording quotes to suit your argument and then telling other people they're making assumptions. You are using the article as the basis of your argument, and then turning around and saying that it isn't credible to begin with.
Everything that we've seen from the mouths of M-1 management (finkleshtein and echteld), Fedor, Mousasi, Joe Silva, and Dana all points in the exact same direction. Don't you think that M-1 would have said "we didn't do that" instead of calling Joe Silva to make excuses for why they did it? Don't you find it strange that there is absolutely no contradiction going on in any of their statements? Everyone is saying the same thing, even M-1.
I would be absolutely shocked if Mousasi continued with M-1 after his next 2 fights. I'm sure he knows that it is far, far easier for him to do his 2 fights and keep his mouth shut than to get caught up in a huge debacle where he's fighting against the people who have his fate in their hands. If he wants to get away from M-1 he has 2 options, one is to finish his contract, and the other is to try to separate from them legally, which would take a lot of litigation, and we saw how that worked for Couture.