More money than meets the eye in the UFC

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grappler0000
4/30/08 1:36:18PM
One of my passions in life is technology. I’m obsessed with gizmos and gadgets and am all but in love with my iPhone.

A friend who knows about my obsession had a computer he wanted to sell on eBay and asked me what I felt it was worth. He went to a Web site that showed an estimated street value, one I felt was considerably too high.

He argued that his asking price was justified because this web site was made up of experts and they agreed with him.

True, I said, but something is only worth what someone else will pay for it. And when we went to eBay and looked at completed listings for a computer with specs similar to his, he was shocked. People were only paying about half of what he thought he could get.

And that same analogy is true when it comes to fighter compensation. There is a lot of debate in the mixed martial arts media over what the UFC pays its fighters. It’s easy to take the stance that the fighters deserve more pay.

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Tein_Lung
4/30/08 1:40:09PM
MMA has ecliped Boxing in popularity yet boxers make more then 10 times what MMA fighters make... IMO something is very wrong with that
Jackelope
4/30/08 2:03:50PM
Great article. Very eye opening.

My main gripe is still medical bills not being paid for by the UFC. Like the pre-fight screenings, and injuries sustained during the fights.
thatfedorsohotrightnow
4/30/08 2:15:32PM
!!!!!50% of gross revenue for fighter pay!!!!!
Spread the word of 50% of gross revenue for fighter pay. NFL currently gives the players almost 60% of gross revenue. NBA, MLB and NHL are all over 50%. This is the standard split of money in modern pro sports.
It is irrelevent if UFC has debt from starting this business. That is their problem. They could never post a "profit" if they so choose by use of creative accounting.
Anyone that sites sponsorship as a reason for low pay is a tool. Should Peyton Manning get less salary from the Colts since he gets so much from comercials?
Spread the word in every thread about fighter pay, 50% of GROSS revenue for fighter pay!
Darnok
4/30/08 2:33:19PM

Posted by Tein_Lung

MMA has ecliped Boxing in popularity yet boxers make more then 10 times what MMA fighters make... IMO something is very wrong with that



Did you read the article. Only the top boxer makes money the rest make very little. Alot of the fighters in the UFC actaully make more than boxers.

People please read articles before posting your anti UFC comments.
Darnok
4/30/08 2:35:10PM

Posted by thatfedorsohotrightnow

!!!!!50% of gross revenue for fighter pay!!!!!
Spread the word of 50% of gross revenue for fighter pay. NFL currently gives the players almost 60% of gross revenue. NBA, MLB and NHL are all over 50%. This is the standard split of money in modern pro sports.
It is irrelevent if UFC has debt from starting this business. That is their problem. They could never post a "profit" if they so choose by use of creative accounting.
Anyone that sites sponsorship as a reason for low pay is a tool. Should Peyton Manning get less salary from the Colts since he gets so much from comercials?
Spread the word in every thread about fighter pay, 50% of GROSS revenue for fighter pay!



Do you post this in every thread. It is starting to sound like spam.
telnights
4/30/08 2:46:58PM

Posted by Jackelope
Great article. Very eye opening.

My main gripe is still medical bills not being paid for by the UFC. Like the pre-fight screenings, and injuries sustained during the fights.



The UFC does cover medical bills do little research on it and you will see the only person to even say anything about medical was Kalib Starnes who later came out and said he never said they don't cover medical bills and was in the process of filling a claim to have them cover his broken foot.


Posted by Tein_Lung
MMA has ecliped Boxing in popularity yet boxers make more then 10 times what MMA fighters make... IMO something is very wrong with that



I don't even think you read the article.
Darnok
4/30/08 2:48:46PM

Posted by telnights


Posted by Jackelope
Great article. Very eye opening.

My main gripe is still medical bills not being paid for by the UFC. Like the pre-fight screenings, and injuries sustained during the fights.



The UFC does cover medical bills do little research on it and you will see the only person to even say anything about medical was Kalib Starnes who later came out and said he never said they don't cover medical bills and was in the process of filling a claim to have them cover his broken foot.


Posted by Tein_Lung
MMA has ecliped Boxing in popularity yet boxers make more then 10 times what MMA fighters make... IMO something is very wrong with that



I don't even think you read the article.



Sometimes I think we are the only two not on the Anti-UFC train.

I found the following comment regarding this article on another website. Thought it was fitting.


People are always talking about boxing's pay, when boxing's pay is WORSE for the vast majority of fighters. You'll almost never find people making $80k for a second or third fight on a boxing card, but it happens quite a bit in the UFC.

We are headed for a boxing type system, which sucks. Soon we'll have one megafight with a bunch of super shitty fights. Chuck or Randy's pay will go up to $5 million per fight, but the lesser guys will go down from $15k to $5k. I hope all the bitchers will be happy then, cause it seems like that is what they want.

iwannabesedated
4/30/08 3:01:26PM

Posted by Darnok


Posted by telnights


Posted by Jackelope
Great article. Very eye opening.

My main gripe is still medical bills not being paid for by the UFC. Like the pre-fight screenings, and injuries sustained during the fights.



The UFC does cover medical bills do little research on it and you will see the only person to even say anything about medical was Kalib Starnes who later came out and said he never said they don't cover medical bills and was in the process of filling a claim to have them cover his broken foot.


Posted by Tein_Lung
MMA has ecliped Boxing in popularity yet boxers make more then 10 times what MMA fighters make... IMO something is very wrong with that



I don't even think you read the article.



Sometimes I think we are the only two not on the Anti-UFC train.




<------ Im not on that anti train either.

If salary was a problem then why dont we see more fighters in the news speaking about it.I dont havent ever read or heard GSP,Rampage,Anderson,BJ,NOG,Franklin,Hughes,Sherk,Forrest,and the rest of the top UFC minus Randy bitching about pay.

Comparing MMA with football and Basketball and Baseball and how its 50% gross well..Football thats 16 Games,NHL 82,MLB 162,and NBA 82...Now compare 50% of that to a guy who fights maybe 3 times a year...
JWils
4/30/08 3:08:35PM
I found it very interesting to read how much guys are making from sponsors....

I would have my entire trunks covered in ads to make that kind of coin....
thatfedorsohotrightnow
4/30/08 3:11:54PM
I just post it in theads about fighter pay. You should too.
Darnok
4/30/08 3:20:25PM

Posted by thatfedorsohotrightnow

I just post it in theads about fighter pay. You should too.



Why I think they are paid just fine. I don't want this to turn into boxing with one high paid fighter and the rest crappy low paid fighters on each card. That would suck.

Are you Randy's Bolywood agent
Jackelope
4/30/08 3:38:11PM

Posted by telnights


Posted by Jackelope
Great article. Very eye opening.

My main gripe is still medical bills not being paid for by the UFC. Like the pre-fight screenings, and injuries sustained during the fights.



The UFC does cover medical bills do little research on it and you will see the only person to even say anything about medical was Kalib Starnes who later came out and said he never said they don't cover medical bills and was in the process of filling a claim to have them cover his broken foot.





I guess nobody can get the story straight. Everyone is pushing their agenda and saying "this and that" I really want to know what the truth behind it is.

One part of me says that legally it's impossible for them to not cover medical expenses.

Another part of me says from experience that gripes and complaints don't come out of nowhere when seen in more than one instance. That's just general life experience speaking there.

So ultimately, I try to view the situation objectively, and I'm not "anti UFC" but something is not hooking up here. It's really starting to frustrate the shit out of me.

Ben_Hutch
4/30/08 4:30:06PM

Posted by telnights


Posted by Tein_Lung
MMA has ecliped Boxing in popularity yet boxers make more then 10 times what MMA fighters make... IMO something is very wrong with that



I don't even think you read the article.



king_katool
4/30/08 4:48:23PM
fighters are paid by there performance its pretty fair they could go up a little but they are pretty well taken care of IMO i do not know as ive not looken into it but if the medical bills are not covered by the UFC i think that should change cuz thats bullshit but i dont see how they managed to pull that one of, the fights should put together UFCFA lol, for those a little slow its ultimate fighting championship fighters association, like a union haha
juanez13
4/30/08 6:29:01PM
what alot of people dont realize is that the UFC pays for everything they do, unlike boxing, where TV and sponsors pay for the production, for advertisement etc.........The UFC has to do all these things with the money they make.(which is alof of $$)

and here is an article defending the UFC fighter pay day.


And several agents, speaking on the condition of anonymity, have said the UFC occasionally pays its fighters bonuses it chooses not to announce to the public. These bonuses apparently go to fighters who perform superbly in a big fight.
Welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre reportedly received a $500,000 bonus and a Hummer when he knocked out Matt Hughes at UFC 65 in Sacramento, Calif.

Additionally, fighting in the UFC makes an athlete significantly more attractive to a sponsor. Frank Mir made $85,000 for the logos he wore into the cage for his fight with Brock Lesnar that night. Had he been fighting in another organization, there's zero chance he would have earned half that in sponsorship money and he likely wouldn't have gotten 20 percent as much.

So Mir that night earned a base pay of $40,000, a win bonus of another $40,000, a submission of the night bonus of $60,000 and then hauled in $85,000 in sponsorship dollars.

He's not going to be able to retire after that bout, but bringing in $225,000 for one night's work isn't bad at any time, especially in this economy. A fighter like Chuck Liddell is making around $6 million a year between his salary and his sponsorships and was making at least $9 million little more than a year ago. He was getting $75,000 a month from Xyience and received $1 million for just two weekends of promoting the movie, "300."

"The UFC will pay you if you perform," said fighter agent Dean Albrecht, Mir's agent. "It's like in the NFL. They're not going to rip up your contract after one great game, but if you perform over a period of time, they'll pay you and pay you extremely well. In the UFC, if you go out and fight and put on a great show, believe me, they pay extremely well and they can make some of these kids rich."


TimW001
4/30/08 7:19:01PM
That was a very interesting article, then you Kev.
warglory
4/30/08 7:39:13PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but every professional fighter must be insured in order to fight, and I believe the promotion is responsible for that by law.
roadking95th
5/1/08 12:24:24AM
I really liked the insightful comment about sponsorships, pertaining to Peyton Manning. The UFC allows the fighters to wear pre-approved sponsorships into the cage. No other major sports league does this. End of story.
xburbx
5/1/08 8:33:40AM
Hopefully Dana starts using it in his arguments to shutup guys like Randy and other fighters that complain. I wish he would just tell them to get another job if they have a problem with the money they make fighting. That article should be placed in every fighters contract welcome package.
telnights
5/1/08 3:29:27PM
To clear up the hole medical bill issue here you go!!!!


Posted by Kalib Starnes
I can't speak for anyone else, but I have never said that the UFC does not cover a fighters medical expenses, I'm dealing with their medical claims department right now regarding my broken foot and other injuries sustained at UFC 83, and up until this point they have honored their obligations.



Now its clear the UFC covers medical bills. I don't know why thats so hard to understand for people. The hole thing about them not covering them was just a rumor and no major MMA news site ever said the UFC didn't cover medical bills. But yet some people still seam to think its a issue.