Mods: Question About The Burns / Johnson Fight

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Quasar
7/19/08 11:23:37PM
Are you seriously gonna give us a loss for picking Johnson and a win for picking Burns? Cmon, at least make that a NC if the UFC wont. No win or loss for anybody

Anyone else agree?
babalu2720
7/19/08 11:24:07PM
Aaronno9
7/19/08 11:29:39PM
Aint really much you can do though, inless they just right off the fight.

Is it possible for the commission to overturn the decision? Or is their some kind of rule against it once the ref has made the call?
joshryanshepherd
7/19/08 11:35:00PM
it wasn't a very big fight so i don't think the commission is gonna over-turn it
holt8081
7/20/08 12:19:50AM
Ya that sucked
roger
7/20/08 2:10:55AM
poke to the eye win thats new in my book he should have been DQ the ref warned him twice
Wolfenstein
7/20/08 3:05:29AM
I hope it ends up in a reversal after after review. Then I'd be perfect!
Svartorm
7/20/08 5:13:50AM
I'm fairly certain it'll be overturned, but that doesn't factor into the Playground. Whatever is declared in the official ruling at the time of the fight is what we go with, so even if they overturn it, its still a win for Burns. We operate like a sportsbook in that regard.
DCRage
7/20/08 11:55:21AM
Not sure if this is how it'll be officially scored, but on the UFC Fantasy Game they show Burns winning by unanimous decision.
seanfu
7/20/08 12:24:02PM
Yeah, I never knew a palmstrike was fingers first. I had no choice guys, I broke my hand 3 times and can't throw a JAB. Translation (I was watching fights and realized noone ever gets a real penalty for eye gauging so I decided that was the only way I could even up the fight with my ass getting kicked.)
Rush
7/20/08 1:03:04PM

Posted by joshryanshepherd

it wasn't a very big fight so i don't think the commission is gonna over-turn it




It shouldn't matter how "big" the fight is.
Mayhem13
7/20/08 6:41:05PM
Burns by TPO (technical poke out)

man...I still cant believe that call...
disorderlyvision
7/20/08 8:27:37PM

Posted by Svartorm

I'm fairly certain it'll be overturned, but that doesn't factor into the Playground. Whatever is declared in the official ruling at the time of the fight is what we go with, so even if they overturn it, its still a win for Burns. We operate like a sportsbook in that regard.



thats not true i remember people complaining that picked nick diaz over gomi. didnt you guys go back and turn that into a nc.
Svartorm
7/20/08 8:57:42PM
Nope, we've always done it like that. If you look at your picks for Pride 33 (provided you were here at the time), you'll see Gomi and Diaz is still a 2nd round Sub for Diaz.. To my knowledge, thats the only fight we featured thats been overturned since the site started.

The one thing we DID change was before we didn't count DQs whatsoever, but now we rule them the same as the commission and just leave the method blank.
Quasar
7/20/08 10:18:12PM
Its such an easy fix if indeed it gets turned into a DQ or NC or any fights in the future. I havnt been given a reason other than "this is how it is" not much of an answer, but what can I do.
Svartorm
7/21/08 1:04:22AM
Heres a list of reasons:

1. We go with the official ruling because it opens up a can of worms if we dont. If we're going to decide a fight should go another way than it did in the official ruling, why not award Hamill the win over Bisping, being as most people thought he won? Why not call a submission from strikes a tko, even though its ruled as a sub? We stick with the official ruling to maintain the integrity of the site.

2. What if we start doing this, we have to do it every time, and sometimes these things take weeks to overturn. This event was the first event of the season, but what if it was the last? We'd have to put the whole site on hold untiil the NSAC got around to reviewing tape and made a decision to figure out who got what points and who won the season.

3. Programming and site management wise, its a colossal pain in the ass to shut down the site for 15 minutes and recalculate points. Now we're removing badges from people, not sending prize money and shirts out when we're supposed to, and its bound to cause arguements.

As much as you might not like "Because I said so", it makes things run much smoother when theres an official, unarguable ruling, and thats what we go with. Thats how professional sportsbook sites do it, so thats how we're going to do it.
Quasar
7/21/08 4:04:01AM
I completly understand, however this is a rare occasion and has never happened before, the Diaz Gomi fight was a drug test NC, this is rare because not only was Maz wrong not utilize the instant replay but when the replay was shown it wasnt utilized as well which in turn should have influenced the decision during the commercial break (ala overturning Maz's call) but Maz should have known from Johnson's reaction that it was clearly the 4th or 5th eye poke (but Johnson could also be to blame for using an excess of drama unless he has a serious eye injury).

Its also rare because if that were a Matt Hughes or a GSP or someone of higher status that would have been be a DQ or NC easily, granted it hasnt been turned over but in this situation IF it gets turned over all of us on the playground should be awarded a NC (no loss no win) just as if it happened right after the fight, were not using real money so its basically a game in which should be subject to change as if it was reality.
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