Posted by OB_Juan
I'm not speaking for DCBooks, but IMO you can't base rankings on what you THINK would happen because as soon as you do you get stuff like Randleman KOing Cro Cop or Edwards armbarring Mishima. There's too many variables.
Until they were actually to fight noone can say for sure who is better. It's just not possible, that's why their recent accomplishments need to be the main factor in ranking.
One thing I will say that Shogun has in his favor is a win over Rampage. Now it becomes a matter of how much you weigh fights from 2 or 3 yrs ago compared to in the last 12 - 18 months or so.
Posted by DCBooks
Not at all. I'm saying we won't know until they fight. Until then we should only rank based on actual achievements, not what you think could happen.
You might think Brandon Vera is the next big thing, but based on what he's achieved you shouldn't rank him ahead of Sylvia.
Chuck's beaten Couture when he was arguably ranked #1 or 2, Tito while he was top 5, Babalu who's top 10 as well.
Since 2004 Shoguns beaten Jackson (top ten?) Arona(top ten) and lil Nog(top ten), but a bunch of other good competition, but non-ranked fighters in 2006. That and a loss to Coleman (Fluke at another weight-class) isn't an equal achievement to Chuck's.
So while I might think Wand and Shogun would beat Chuck, I can't rank them higher.
I am basing it on the fighter's performance and their competition.
Liddell's past fights have been against Ortiz, Couture, Sobral, and Horn.
Ortiz: Let's face it, most fans praise Ortiz for his controversial acts and the hype that he builds. Most of the educated MMA fans knew that Liddell was going to beat Ortiz. Even though he is ranked high on MMA Weekly, I hardly consider him to be a top fighter. Ortiz was and still is scared of Liddell.
Couture: Couture is a great fighter, but unfortunately, he was past his prime when he fought Liddell. It was not the same Couture who beat Liddell on the stand-up and then went on to spank Ortiz. Couture is not going to beat Sylvia either.
Sobral: Although Sobral is an excellent grappler, he was unable to take down Liddell. His game plan of chasing Liddell around the octagon till he got KTFO was plain stupid.
Horn: Hmm, I guess you could argue either way here. Horn was at or past his prime during this point of his career. This was a good fight and Horn took Liddell to the distance, but it was still the typical grappler vs. striker styles match-up.
Although Liddell's wins have been impressive and they are against "top-ranked" fighters. All of his fights were against grapplers. This may not be highly relevant, but if you look at his fights in PRIDE against Mezger and Overeem, he was clearly losing the stand-up until he connected with his looping punch. Liddell finally met his match against Jackson, who possess good striking skills, a granite chin, and powerful slams.
I am not taking anything away from Liddell, he is definitely ranked top 3 in the world. I just feel that Rua has Liddell's number if they fought. Rua is a more technical fighter than Liddell and is a very dangerous striker with also a good ground game.
Liddell has just been untested lately in the stand-up so everyone thinks he is invincible, but if you place a striker in front of him, he may have a lot of problems. Again, I am not saying Liddell sucks, it is amazing how he is able to be "one-dimensional" and still continue to win. His game plan is always the same for every fight, sprawl and KO your opponent.
The top 3 light heavyweights are just so close together, there is no way you can definitely state one as being better than the other. My order of ranking was Rua > Liddell > Silva, yours could be different, but you cannot say that mine is wrong.