MMAjunkie.com Radio Dan Henderson Punch was not intentional

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slapshot
7/14/09 2:23:41PM
Dan stated that his comment after the fight was a joke and apologized for making the statement. He also said that in the ring he was not sure Bisping was out, hendo also said he had no time to evaluate Bisping before the second strike.
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BarryScott
7/14/09 2:26:16PM
Now he's backtracking because he realises what he said wasn't very smart and that what he did was wrong.

Wouldn't surprise me if Dana advised him to say this, it's the same as the Lesnar situation in a way.
slapshot
7/14/09 2:28:48PM
No really he didn't backtrack at all and you need to listen to the interview to get his full explanation, or at least just to be fair to dan.

Junkie called him on the fly so there was not time to prep a statement or anything like that.
jiujitsufreak74
7/14/09 2:30:31PM
well there is still no way any of us can no the truth, but as i stated in the other threads about this i feel Dan is telling the truth here.
DevonFoxy
7/14/09 2:31:30PM

Posted by BarryScott

Now he's backtracking because he realises what he said wasn't very smart and that what he did was wrong.

Wouldn't surprise me if Dana advised him to say this, it's the same as the Lesnar situation in a way.



Or.....perhaps he was caught up in the moment? I think I'm going to take Dan Henderson's word due to the fact he has never given any fan/reporter any reason to not take him at his word.

Bisping hasn't had a problem with the shot I don't see why all these people do. Its fighting and yea i know "if something happened" and "But what if" the thing is nothing came of it. Hendo saw Bisping go down followed up to finish until the ref stopped him. No fighter has spoken out against the shot on the contrary they have said thats part of the game so I think your way off on your assessment and Henderson means what he says.

No reason to not take him at his word he's one of the classiest fighters inside and outside the game and has earned that right imo to be taken at his word and be given the benefit of the doubt.
SmileR
7/14/09 2:39:28PM
You could tell it wasn't intentional, I'v actually just got through showing my dad the fight and by the time Bisping's head hit the floor Hendo was up on 1 foot and coming down with his last shot.
I don't mean to drag the argument back up from the other thread but it was nowhere near 2 seconds between Bisping hitting the floor and Hendo deciding to throw the next one. It's bearly 2 seconds between Hendo connecting with the first shot and getting pushed off by Yamasaki. Who did a awesome job reffing the match!
BarryScott
7/14/09 2:44:51PM
I'm not gona talk about Hendo any more because it'll become fighter bashing.

But plenty of other fighters have managed to pull away from landing extra punches once their opponent was out.

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3 is Rashad vs. Liddell which you've all seen anyway!
slapshot
7/14/09 2:56:50PM
Fighter safety is the responciblity of the ref not the other fighter, I saw how far out of position the ref was when this happened and if anyone is to blame (and I dont think anyone is) for the second strike its the official, had he been in position the second strike would never have landed.

I can think of any number of fights that we see posts complaining of late or early stoppage and never in the past have we been so critical of the fighter. Just because the ref was so far out of position that he couldn't stop the fight that doesn't shift the burden of responcibility to Dan to stop it himself.

Im glad that for most of us we can put this issue to pasture.


Posted by BarryScott

I'm not gona talk about Hendo any more because it'll become fighter bashing.

But plenty of other fighters have managed to pull away from landing extra punches once their opponent was out.

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3 is Rashad vs. Liddell which you've all seen anyway!


I could post (off the top of my head) 7-10 clips of fighters striking someone AFTER the ref jumped in and not just once repeatedly and none of them have got this kind of heat.

Anyway if his explanation is not good enough I dont think any of ours will be either but at least you have Dans side of things.
SmileR
7/14/09 2:59:02PM

Posted by BarryScott

I'm not gona talk about Hendo any more because it'll become fighter bashing.

But plenty of other fighters have managed to pull away from landing extra punches once their opponent was out.

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3 is Rashad vs. Liddell which you've all seen anyway!



Have you even listened to the interview? Dan explains it well and I honestly believe him. I suggest if you're that bothered by the extra shot you should stop watching contact sports. It happens, people land shots, others don't.
Hendo is one of the guys that has always been respectful and a great ambassador of the sport.
If this wasn't against Bisping this argument wouldn't even be around!
moob
7/14/09 3:09:52PM

Posted by slapshot

No really he didn't backtrack at all and you need to listen to the interview to get his full explanation, or at least just to be fair to dan.

Junkie called him on the fly so there was not time to prep a statement or anything like that.



He made a similar retraction in the official post fight interview. So MMA Jumkie's interview was hardly off the wall.
slapshot
7/14/09 3:15:43PM

Posted by moob


Posted by slapshot

No really he didn't backtrack at all and you need to listen to the interview to get his full explanation, or at least just to be fair to dan.

Junkie called him on the fly so there was not time to prep a statement or anything like that.



He made a similar retraction in the official post fight interview. So MMA Jumkie's interview was hardly off the wall.



Yeah your right I mean when you call someone up out of the blue and put them on a radio show thats totally scripted.
moob
7/14/09 3:18:56PM

Posted by slapshot


Posted by moob


Posted by slapshot

No really he didn't backtrack at all and you need to listen to the interview to get his full explanation, or at least just to be fair to dan.

Junkie called him on the fly so there was not time to prep a statement or anything like that.



He made a similar retraction in the official post fight interview. So MMA Jumkie's interview was hardly off the wall.



Yeah your right I mean when you call someone up out of the blue and put them on a radio show thats totally scripted.



What I'm (pretty clearly IMO) saying, is that Henderson said the same thing when he was interviewed in the post fight official UFC press conference, therefore he had already changed his mind on immediate comments he made when interviewed by Rogan.
emfleek
7/14/09 3:37:10PM
C'mon guys...this is an argument that's impossible to settle.
grappler0000
7/14/09 4:10:30PM

Posted by emfleek

C'mon guys...this is an argument that's impossible to settle.





No opinions have changed since the argument was introduced...why doesn't everyone just agree to disagree.
ncordless
7/14/09 4:12:50PM
I would rather see a fighter continue to fight until the ref stops it than a fighter back off only not to have the fight stopped or have the opponent regain composure and miss an opportunity to finish the fight.
State_Champ
7/14/09 4:58:25PM
This makes sense to me because I didn't really see Henderson pause between his KO punch and his GnP punch...he probably didn't even think about stopping because the ref hadn't stepped in.
punkgrl-com
7/14/09 5:32:59PM
Even though I'm a big Bisping fan I have no problem with the second punch, like others have said you've got to keep fighting until the ref stops you and I trust Dan when he says he didn't know Bisping was out.

Having said that, when Dan made the joke about the second punch "shutting him up" while Bisping was still laid out cold I didn't think that was very cool. He lost some respect from me for doing that.
StriderXero
7/14/09 5:35:33PM
I seen more people complain about this fight than the Sokoudjou/Nortje fight.

This is a fight where the ref was trying to cover Jan from getting more punches, and Rameau was punching around the ref to actually hit him.

I think you guys are watching the Hendo/Bisping fight in slow-mo too much, thinking that's the actual speed it's going. Watch it on regular speed and tell me if Hendo had enough time to think between punches.
motorboatensob
7/14/09 6:15:27PM

Posted by BarryScott

I'm not gona talk about Hendo any more because it'll become fighter bashing.

But plenty of other fighters have managed to pull away from landing extra punches once their opponent was out.

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3 is Rashad vs. Liddell which you've all seen anyway!





What ever Rashad is the worst for getting in one or two more shots and had the ref not got there quick enough he would have hit Liddell more. I'm glad he landed one more shot and then said he did it. Bisping ran his mouth about Dan about the USA and the USA team that he need one more shot so to Dan
shevtheman
7/14/09 6:58:28PM
Hendo has done this before - anyone remember the bomb he threw onto Wandys head after he'd ko'd him? I dont think its intentional to injure the guy after hes knocked him out, it seems more like a reactionary thing...call it killer instinct without the killing. Obviously something dangerous could happen, but that is the case for the whole sport and this is something...like fingerless gloves...that comes with the territory. When it gets to the ref stopping the fight or more importantly recognising the ko and the fighter still carries on...then theres an argument.
shevtheman
7/14/09 7:02:52PM

Posted by motorboatensob


Posted by BarryScott

I'm not gona talk about Hendo any more because it'll become fighter bashing.

But plenty of other fighters have managed to pull away from landing extra punches once their opponent was out.

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3 is Rashad vs. Liddell which you've all seen anyway!





What ever Rashad is the worst for getting in one or two more shots and had the ref not got there quick enough he would have hit Liddell more. I'm glad he landed one more shot and then said he did it. Bisping ran his mouth about Dan about the USA and the USA team that he need one more shot so to Dan


No offence but that is clearly an idiotic thing to say. At the end of the day the TUF show was a competition and gave Bisping a chance to hype the fight and try mind games, the first bit worked (nobody gave a rats about this fight when it was announced) and the second clearly didnt because Hendo's been there and done it. To say he deserves an extra punch when hes knocked out is one of the reasons people are quick to dismiss MMA as barbaric and imo that is barbaric. Im going with Hendo not meaning to do it and i'd hope if the ref had shouted its over or ran towards Bisping quicker then Hendo wouldnt have gone for that last punch.
postman
7/14/09 10:11:54PM
Anyone read the Dan Hardy spot in the back of the UFC magazine on knocking out Markem? This isn't in his words but it says he knew he had knocked him out but followed it up for good measure.
Aaronno9
7/14/09 10:38:48PM
At the end of the day nobody will ever know what went through Dans head when he did it, therefore its really impossible to argue a case. If he was just making sure Bisping was finished then thats completely fine. If he knew Bisping was out and still launched into such a vicous shot it was not cool. And you cant argue that point, no matter how much you love Dan and hate Mike.

Nationality really has nothing to do with it. It seems like becouse its mainly UK guys raising an issue with the shot, alot of you Americans are just making it into a nationality thing. Perfect example being the comment above about Dan Hardy.
Jackelope
7/14/09 10:48:25PM
Alright.. this crap has to stop. Enough of that argument. Saying that Americans are causing the argument and Brits aren't is just a blatant example of a self-serving bias. I've seen logical arguments from both side. It's not going to get solved here on the boards no matter how much time we spend arguing about it.

Stop pushing your agendas. That means both sides.
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