"Inside MMA" video: Why is Kimbo Slice so hated?

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aznteabagger
4/24/08 10:06:35PM
EliteXC heavyweight fighter Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson has quickly become one of the biggest, and also, most controversial figures in MMA.

But is it really his own fault?

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jgtribbett
4/24/08 10:15:55PM
I am excited to see how far he can go.. but ppl forget.. no one is saying that kimbo is great now.. but i and some others are saying odds are.. he will be great some timei n the future... maybe not the best.. but good ya know.

and props to kimbo for realizing that mma has it and streeet fighters dont.. he got beat by an mma guy in one of his videos and next thing i knew was him training with bas.. i dontknow if that is why he started training but that is what it seems like
jae_1833
4/24/08 11:15:21PM
I agree with both sides....Kimbo isn't really at fault that EliteXC has hyped him up soo much. What do you expect though....the HW Div over there sucks. Maybe it gets built up if all the good HWs want to fight him, or hear that his contract / treatment is what they wanted and didn't find in the UFC. In the meantime EliteXC is going to keep the hype up on Kimbo because the guy is selling the product! Plus, what is not to like...he's a big, scary, black, bearded, bald, hard hitting, ghetto MOFO who is KOing his way onto CBS! Don't hate!!!
Vietnamese_Guy
4/24/08 11:15:58PM
heres why MMA fans hate the guy so much, all my friends that don't watch UFC often think kimbo slice can beat chuck.

DevonFoxy
4/24/08 11:34:18PM
I agree with Bas that he needs to be built up and all but the announcers seem to be pushing him down our throats. The reason im not too fond of Kimbo is that yes he is a pretty good striker but Elite XC is trying to making him the face of Network TV which I personally feel is bad for the sport. When I googled Kimbo the first 3 or four were about MMA and then then next one was a video of him Street Fighting a guy. This is just going to give guys like John McCain and other anti-MMA activists fire imo and the company is just trying to make money off Kimbo with out thinking of the attack that is going to come upon him. I don't to me its not the person I want people to see and be like "Wow he used to fight on the streets and now hes making millions thats what I'm going to do!" and then people die and MMA goes back to the dark ages trying to crawl out of the hole its been crawling out of getting sanctioned and ect.

Am I saying Kimbo will lead to this, not particularly but when a man is shown in videos just beating the crap out of guys that don't know what there doing on streets I think it can lead to a tunnel of criticism that Kimbo can't handle (pressure/being attacked by political and crazed political activists) and the misrepresentation of what the sport is about. Thats just my two cents.
pharside
4/25/08 12:18:35AM
when he gets his beat 1 time he will fade away.... I hope they put him in with Dave Hermann soon so it can happen
chubbud22
4/25/08 12:36:30AM

Posted by jgtribbett

I am excited to see how far he can go.. but ppl forget.. no one is saying that kimbo is great now.. but i and some others are saying odds are.. he will be great some timei n the future... maybe not the best.. but good ya know.

and props to kimbo for realizing that mma has it and streeet fighters dont.. he got beat by an mma guy in one of his videos and next thing i knew was him training with bas.. i dontknow if that is why he started training but that is what it seems like


A lot of people are already crowning him; yet he has not beaten anybody. IMO people hate on him, because he is over hyped and not proven yet.
EON
4/25/08 2:08:54AM
I think the problem is uneducated fans AKA people who call MMA "Ultimate Fighting" think he is the best fighter like back in the day when people fixated on Tank, then he was submitted and beatdown several times. Who knows if this is the way of Kimbo, he seems to have good trainers and if he keeps building up confidence and experience with cans and so/so fighters eventually he'll get a decent striker or jiu jitsu fighter, that will be his true entrance into MMA.

For now hes still just a name, and for the most part people who know or slightly know MMA dont like that, simply because he is untested and people already think he would woop Randy Couture and Fedor. Kimbo himself even says hes just an ametuer in this sport and thats very humble considering hes labeled as a "one dimentional thug"

I would personally pick him to beat Chuck, there styles are that of Rampage and Chuck (Kimbo the aggressor and Chuck the Counterattacker) and even though I can see it going either way, this is a bad fight for Chuck, and I dont buy all this Forrest KO'd Kimbo crap. I want a source and a video of him or Forrest saying this happened with 10 witnesses.

Kimbo's Chin > Chuck's Chin.......... Kimbo's Power > Chuck's Power
Darnok
4/25/08 10:12:03AM

Posted by DevonFoxy

I agree with Bas that he needs to be built up and all but the announcers seem to be pushing him down our throats. The reason im not too fond of Kimbo is that yes he is a pretty good striker but Elite XC is trying to making him the face of Network TV which I personally feel is bad for the sport. When I googled Kimbo the first 3 or four were about MMA and then then next one was a video of him Street Fighting a guy. This is just going to give guys like John McCain and other anti-MMA activists fire imo and the company is just trying to make money off Kimbo with out thinking of the attack that is going to come upon him. I don't to me its not the person I want people to see and be like "Wow he used to fight on the streets and now hes making millions thats what I'm going to do!" and then people die and MMA goes back to the dark ages trying to crawl out of the hole its been crawling out of getting sanctioned and ect.

Am I saying Kimbo will lead to this, not particularly but when a man is shown in videos just beating the crap out of guys that don't know what there doing on streets I think it can lead to a tunnel of criticism that Kimbo can't handle (pressure/being attacked by political and crazed political activists) and the misrepresentation of what the sport is about. Thats just my two cents.



Thank God there is some common sense out there.

I agree this can mot be good for MMA. Elite XC is pushing the KO's way too much. If they keep going like this it may end up as a Kickboxing org instead.

Mark my words, Elite XC will bring a rule that makes it hard for wrestlers and JJ's to even compete. Like the standing after 15 sec rule. So that every time one of there so called champions hits the floor they can stand back up.
GlancyMMA
4/25/08 12:58:14PM

Posted by chubbud22

A lot of people are already crowning him; yet he has not beaten anybody. IMO people hate on him, because he is over hyped and not proven yet.



That's totally the issue, Kimbo is hyped up but his promotion is giving him nobodies and hasbeens. EliteXC can make a lot of money promoting Kimbo fights - even circus side show fights. But if Kimbo wants his career to become legitimate he will need to fight reputable fighters. - The issue is that Kimbo and his promotion have different goals in mind for his career.

Give him a actual test and I think we'll see his is actually a competent fighter - a champ, no... but a competent fighter. Training with Bas HAS to do something for your skill level.
DaBeatdown
4/25/08 2:48:24PM
Most people don't hate Kimbo, just his fans
vtecmonster
4/25/08 3:59:10PM

Posted by EON


Kimbo's Chin > Chuck's Chin.......... Kimbo's Power > Chuck's Power




Chuck's Hands >

Chuck's Wrestling >

Chuck's Footwork >

Chuck's BJJ > (Purple Belt under Eddie Bravo)

Chuck's Record >

Chuck's Competition >

Chuck's Kicks >

Chuck's Experience >

Chuck's not that much smaller (what 30lbs? tops)
I would bet that Chuck punches harder than Kimbo also... Muscles don't mean shit! Nothing. Hell, I bet Anderson Silva hits harder than Kimbo.
jae_1833
4/25/08 4:41:21PM
I would bet that Chuck punches harder than Kimbo also... Muscles don't mean shit! Nothing. Hell, I bet Anderson Silva hits harder than Kimbo.



No way man .... what are you, high??? I have been in a lot of fights bro and I can say from experience that in general ( 90% of the time ) bigger guys can hit harder....it's just physics.
GlancyMMA
4/25/08 4:59:40PM
It's not physics it Kinesiology (human kinetics) and larger muscles do not mean more power.

Its all about the muscle makeup, tendons, application of pressure.

It's a matter of your workout you can strength train and not necessarily increase your muscle mass - you can change the elasticity of your muscles.

You could go on a cycle of creatine tomorrow and gain muscle mass but thats only actually water retention in your muscles and does not neccessarily increase your strength....

We've strayed from the Kimbo topic here but this is a factor in the size advantage/disadvantage of Kimbo vs. Liddell
bls1919
4/25/08 8:29:17PM
I think a lot of people dont like Kimbo because they think "he's a street fighter". When they have no idea that their favorite fighter(chuck, very well liked and has a huge name) cut his teeth doing the same thing. just not on YOUTUBE
EON
4/25/08 8:54:53PM

Posted by vtecmonster


Posted by EON


Kimbo's Chin > Chuck's Chin.......... Kimbo's Power > Chuck's Power




Chuck's Hands >

Chuck's Wrestling >

Chuck's Footwork >

Chuck's BJJ > (Purple Belt under Eddie Bravo)

Chuck's Record >

Chuck's Competition >

Chuck's Kicks >

Chuck's Experience >

Chuck's not that much smaller (what 30lbs? tops)
I would bet that Chuck punches harder than Kimbo also... Muscles don't mean shit! Nothing. Hell, I bet Anderson Silva hits harder than Kimbo.



Wow you really hate Kimbo or love Chuck too much, i'll go ahead and agree with everything you said on Chuck except his hands (Rampage isnt even an A level striker and he didnt have trouble at all in 2 fights) wrestling (you have no idea what Kimbo has been working on therefore your up shit creek without a paddle there, besides the weight advantage would nulify any sort of wrestling advantage there) and record 2-0 is 100% and dosnt tie into experience those are 2 seperate subjects. And to say that Anderson Silva a 185 pounder hits harder than a 230 heavyweight is not saying much for your brain mass. Can I have 2 of whatever your smoking?
Pookie
4/25/08 10:29:38PM
Anderson silva probably does hit harder than kimbo, he probably hits harder than anybody under 240.

Btw Kimbo is 230 and he doesnt cut any weight, Silva is 185 but he cuts from 215, so inactuality theres really only a 15-25 pound differece overall in their fighting weight... not the 45 you had previously stated.
Pookie
4/25/08 10:34:38PM

Posted by EON

I think the problem is uneducated fans AKA people who call MMA "Ultimate Fighting" think he is the best fighter like back in the day when people fixated on Tank, then he was submitted and beatdown several times. Who knows if this is the way of Kimbo, he seems to have good trainers and if he keeps building up confidence and experience with cans and so/so fighters eventually he'll get a decent striker or jiu jitsu fighter, that will be his true entrance into MMA.


Agreed


Posted by EON
For now hes still just a name, and for the most part people who know or slightly know MMA dont like that, simply because he is untested and people already think he would woop Randy Couture and Fedor. Kimbo himself even says hes just an ametuer in this sport and thats very humble considering hes labeled as a "one dimentional thug"


Agreed


Posted by EON
I would personally pick him to beat Chuck, there styles are that of Rampage and Chuck (Kimbo the aggressor and Chuck the Counterattacker) and even though I can see it going either way, this is a bad fight for Chuck, and I dont buy all this Forrest KO'd Kimbo crap. I want a source and a video of him or Forrest saying this happened with 10 witnesses.



Agree with the Forrest KOing Kimbo in sparring nonsense, until its verified its just the idle chatter of a woman looking for attention. In the same interview she also dissed big nogs performance against sylvia.

Disagree entirely with the rampage style = kimbo style scenario.
So many differences in the way they fight that its not even worth listing. Rampage beat Chuck because he forced chuck to come forward for once and counterstruck him, he only charged in once he saw he was hurt in both fights.



GrandMaster313
4/26/08 12:35:29AM

Posted by jgtribbett

I am excited to see how far he can go.. but people forget.. no one is saying that kimbo is great now.. but i and some others are saying odds are.. he will be great some timei n the future... maybe not the best.. but good ya know.

and props to kimbo for realizing that mma has it and streeet fighters dont.. he got beat by an mma guy in one of his videos and next thing i knew was him training with bas.. i dont know if that is why he started training but that is what it seems like



i noticed that too but i think he was training before that. He looks he could have potential but has anyone given him a TRUE ground game challenge. And if anyone does from now on in Elite what are we going to expect but more importantly what are we actually going to see. He looks like he has a nice CHIN but that doesn't mean anything. Hell he can knock me down and if I am not unconscious and bend his right toe the opposite way im wondering how quick he would tap Really im just trying to see where this guys ground game is at. looks like to me (right now) he's just another slugger !
JimiMak
4/26/08 2:19:58PM
Ppl hate on him cuz they're ignorant and have nothing else to do.

So much of what gets said about him on the forums is fighter bashing, it's just those ppl still don't want to consider him an mma fighter, so they think it's ok.

He's got mad potential. Why does a co hyping a fight bother anyone?
vtecmonster
4/26/08 5:28:56PM

Posted by jae_1833

I would bet that Chuck punches harder than Kimbo also... Muscles don't mean shit! Nothing. Hell, I bet Anderson Silva hits harder than Kimbo.



No way man .... what are you, high??? I have been in a lot of fights bro and I can say from experience that in general ( 90% of the time ) bigger guys can hit harder....it's just physics.


Wow.... lol... people are clueless.

I trained w/ Ramon Dekker (10x Muay Thai world Cahmp)

Dekker walks around at about a 160lbs. Hey hits hard then anybody that I have ever trained with! Ever!

I have trained Muay Thai for 2 years. I'm 6'3", so I always train with big guys. We had a handful of bad asses in the class that were 240lb + those guys aren't even close to Ramon Dekkers Power!!!!

Dekker's gives me nightmares.

Muscles don't mean crap.



I would much rather be punched by some meat-head than by Hoost or Remy any day.
EON
4/26/08 8:20:52PM

Posted by vtecmonster

Wow.... lol... people are clueless. I trained w/ Ramon Dekker (10x Muay Thai world Cahmp)



proof?...
vtecmonster
4/27/08 5:31:29PM

Posted by EON


Posted by vtecmonster

Wow.... lol... people are clueless. I trained w/ Ramon Dekker (10x Muay Thai world Cahmp)



proof?...





ah... sure

Bobby "The Diamond Dutchman" was the coach at Gracie Barra Orlando. Now Bobby is a coach at ATT Orlando. Bobby was Ramon "Diamond" Dekker's coach.

Bobby had Ramon Dekkers did a 4 hour clinic at Gracie Barra about a year ago.

Would you like me to take a picture in my Diamond Dutchman Muay Thai shirt?

Or you can call ATT Orlando and ask if bobby instructs their... then you can ask if he is Ramon Dekkers old coach.

ATT Orlando: 407-677-5269

Gracie Barra Orlando: 407-895-7010 (Bobby left on bad terms so it might not be the friendliest call)
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