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POLL: Most Dominant Country 4 MMA in Olympics
Russia (Fedor, Arlovski,Aleksander) 0% (0)
USA (BJ Penn, Rashad, Eddie Alvarez) 15% (5)
Japan (Aoki, Tatsuya Kawajiri, akiyama) 0% (0)
Brazil ( BIG NOG, Lyoto, Anderson) 71% (24)
Canada ( GSP, Rory, Cote) 12% (4)
DUTCH (Gegard, Allistair, Manhoef) 3% (1)
codyq
2/14/10 3:06:37AM
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HW's Group A:

Werdum (BRA) vs Frank Mir (USA)
Brock Lesnar (USA) vs Dos Santos (BRA)
NOG (BRA) vs Arlovski (RUS)
Carwin (USA) vs Aleksander Emelianenko (RUS)

Group B HW's

Bret Rogers (USA) vs Gonzaga (BRA)
Josh Barnett (USA) vs Allistair Overeem (NED)
Antonio Silva (BRA) vs Bobby Lashley (USA)
Cain Velasquez (USA) vs Fedor (RUS)

LHW's Group A

Luiz Cane (BRA) vs Rampage (USA)
Shogun (BRA) vs Rashad (USA)
Jon jones (USA) vs Little NOG (BRA)
Ryan Bader (USA) vs Rafael Cavalcante (BRA)

Group B LHW's

Forrest Griffin (USA) vs Lyoto (BRA)
Thiago Silva (BRA) vs King MO (USA)
Gegard Mousasi (NED) vs Glover Teixeira (BRA)
Phil Davis (USA) vs Stanislav Nedkov (Bulgaria)

MW's Group A

Anderson Silva (BRA) vs Mamed Khalidov (POL)
Nate M. (USA) vs Vitor (BRA)
Jacare (BRA) vs Sonnen (USA)
Maia (BRA) Akiyama (***)

Group B MW's

Robbie Lawler (USA) vs Yushin Okami (***)
Dan Henderson (USA) vs Paulo Fihlo (BRA)
Manhoef (NED) vs Bisping (ENG)
Franklin (USA) vs Cote (CAN)

WW's Group A

GSP (CAN) vs Hornbuckle (USA)
John Fitch (USA) vs Kapmann (DEN)
Paul Daley (ENG) vs Nick Diaz (USA)
Tyron Woodley (USA) vs Marius Zaromskis (LIT)

Group B WW's

Jake Shields (USA) vs Dan Hardy (ENG)
KOS (USA) vs Paulo Thiago (BRA)
Thiago Alves (BRA) vs Karo Parysian (ARM)
Mike Swick (USA) vs Kim Dong Hyun (KOR)

LW's Broup A

BJ (USA) vs Joachim Hansen (NOR)
Edgar (USA) vs Takanori Gomi (***)
Tatsuya Kawajiri (***) vs Maynard (USA)
KJ Noons (USA) vs Ross Pearson (ENG)

Group B LW's

Shinya aoki (***) vs Evan Dunham (USA)
K-FLO (USA) vs JZ Cavalcante (BRA)
Gilbert Melendez (USA) vs Joe Stevenson (USA)
Eddie Alvarez (USA) vs Diego Sanchez (USA)

140 lb'rs

Jose Also (BRA) vs Miguel Torres (USA)
Uriah Faber (USA) vs Bibiano Fernandes (BRA)
Brian Bowles (USA) vs Hatsu Hioki (***)
Mike Brown (USA) vs Michihiro Omigawa (***)





AnDeRsonDaSiLvA
2/14/10 5:12:02AM
I wasnt aware dutch was a country , i guess i will settle with brazil .
hate4thestate
2/14/10 7:13:17AM
i know brazil seems like the obvious choice here but holland is too good to pass up.
sparky
2/14/10 10:10:07AM

Posted by AnDeRsonDaSiLvA

I wasnt aware dutch was a country , i guess i will settle with brazil .



the Netherlands bro thats where im from
State_Champ
2/14/10 1:25:52PM
USA imo.
Brazil seems like the obvious choice but USA has the better mma wrestlers and wrestlers tend to do well.
I would love to see a tournament like this actually occur!!
jae_1833
2/14/10 2:15:15PM
To me it's all about wieght classes, where in Russia seems to dominate the HW sceen, Japan rules the lighter classes (LW and down) and the US rules the middle ground (WW to LHW). The thing with Brazil is that they are always involved at the most elite levels of the game no matter what org/wieght they are with. I wish MMA would make it to the Olympics, if they could figure out how to organize it (rules, judging standards, ref standards, etc)
tepid55
2/14/10 5:19:56PM
I think Brazil would crush everybody.
codyq
2/14/10 9:14:12PM

I wasnt aware dutch was a country , i guess i will settle with brazil .


Saying DUTCH is like calling USA Americans, THE Dutch are from the Netherlands. Thanks for being rude though. Seems like you got a great personality.
codyq
2/14/10 9:17:29PM
They would have to wear head gear in the Olympics too, im almost positive, but that's cool.
codyq
2/14/10 9:18:41PM
Also this way, fights would last longer too.
codyq
2/14/10 9:25:06PM

i know brazil seems like the obvious choice here but holland is too good to pass up.


There isn't enough talent outta Holland, there are tons of GOOD kickboxers though, and it is very well possible that the DUTCH could take GOLD in the HW and LHW class, with Gegard and Allistair. I wonder if gegard would fight for his lovely country IRAN, I highly doubt it though lol
AchillesHeel
2/14/10 11:27:38PM
Four out of the six weight classes are hardly a contest:

265 lbs: Gold - Fedor vs. Brock Lesnar = Fedor
185 lbs: Gold - Anderson Silva vs Hendo or Mousasi = Anderson
170 lbs: Gold - GSP vs... um... er.... = GSP
155 lbs: Gold - B.J. Penn vs. Shinya Aoki = B.J.

Nobody really even threatens those four, imo. The other three Gold Medal matches are pretty interesting, though:

205 lbs: Gold - Shogun v. Rampage is damned close to call. You know Rampage wants to set the record straight. If this rematch isn't on Joe Silva's "to do list", he ought to be fired.
145 lbs: Gold - Jose Aldo vs. Urijah Faber. We'll find out the answer to this one soon enough.
135 lbs: Gold - Brian Bowles or Miguel Torres vs. Norifumi Yamamoto. Kid has had a rough go lately, so maybe his reign is over. Still, you'd have to think he'd "get it up" for an Olympics. A dream match we'll probably never see.

And for the women...

145 lbs: Cyborg Santos (BRA) vs. Erin Toughill (USA)
and 135 lbs: Tara Larosa (USA) vs. Sarah Kaufman (CAN)

...are my dream matches.

And the Japanese women pretty much own the 115 lbs division.

I think the Americans come away with the most medals.
hate4thestate
2/14/10 11:52:36PM
americans walk away with the most medals? you only have one american winning out the four fights u said were hardly a contest? and mousasi vs silva would be more of a match then i think you believe. i think mousasi has a great shot at winning especially if its at lhw.

only americans i see wining gold are bj and maybe bowles. other then that americans really get owned here imo.
codyq
2/15/10 1:34:43AM

and mousasi vs silva would be more of a match then i think you believe. i think mousasi has a great shot at winning especially if its at lhw.
AchillesHeel
2/15/10 9:46:51AM

Posted by hate4thestate

americans walk away with the most medals? you only have one american winning out the four fights u said were hardly a contest?


As with all other sports, I'm assuming there would be 3 medals awarded in each weight class, possibly four, as is the case in Olympic wrestling (two Bronze medals are awarded in each weight class).

In the Gold-medal matches I cited above, the loser would be awarded the Silver. I'll add my picks for Bronze medals, as well.

265 lbs: Gold - Fedor (RUS), Silver - Brock (USA), Bronze - Mir (USA) and Arlovski (BEL)
205 lbs: Gold - I'll go with Shogun (BRA), Silver - Rampage (USA), Bronze - Machida (BRA) and Nogueira (BRA)
185 lbs: Gold - Silva (BRA), Silver - Henderson (USA), Bronze - Mousasi (NED), Sonnen (USA), Belfort (BRA) or Franklin (USA)
170 lbs: Gold - St. Pierre (CAN), Silver - Shields (USA), Bronze - Fitch (USA) and Alves (BRA)
155 lbs: Gold - Penn (USA), Silver - Aoki (JPN), Bronze - Florian (USA) and Alvarez (USA)
145 lbs: Gold - Aldo (BRA), Silver - Faber (USA), Bronze - Brown (USA) and... um... Omigawa (JPN) I guess...
135 lbs: Gold - Bowles (USA), Silver - Torres (USA), Bronze - Cruz (USA) and Benavidez (USA), maybe Fabiano (BRA) or Yamamoto (JPN) if he isn't washed up
Women's 145 lbs: Gold - Santos (BRA), Silver - Toughill (USA), Bronze - Carano (USA) and Coenen (NED)
Women's 135 lbs: Gold - Larosa (USA), Silver - Kaufman (CAN), Bronze - Akano (JPN), Baszler (USA), Modafferi (USA), Hashi (JPN), I'm not sure
Women's 125 lbs: Damm (BRA), Sexton (ENG), Nakai (JPN), I'm not real familiar with this weight class
Women's 115 lbs: Gold - Megumi Fujii (JPN), Silver - Yuka Tsuji (JPN), Bronze - more Japanese, Matsumoto, Yamaguchi, I dunno.

Total medals, by my reckoning:
USA - 18 or 20
BRA - 8 or 10
JPN - 6 or 7
CAN - 2
NED - 2
RUS - 1

The Brazilians have a lock on 205 lbs. Aside from Rampage, Rashad Evans could sneak into the medal rounds. I'm not sure I like Randy Couture against the crafty strikers in this division, but you can never say never with that guy.

Aside from the guys mentioned above, the Americans pretty well own the Heavyweight, Welterweight, Lightweight and Bantamweight divisions. The list of American fighters I haven't named yet who could plausibly reach the medal rounds in these weight classes is simply too long to provide here. Big Nog, Dos Santos, Dan Hardy, JZ Calvan, Kawajiri, Fabiano and Yamamoto are the most likely non-Americans to reach the medal rounds, in addition to the guys I already named above.


Posted by hate4thestate

and mousasi vs silva would be more of a match then i think you believe. i think mousasi has a great shot at winning especially if its at lhw.


I don't know why Silva would fight at 185. Mousasi would be better off at 185 also, as would Dan Henderson and Rich Franklin. I don't think those three would earn a medal at 205 lbs.


Posted by hate4thestate

only americans i see wining gold are bj and maybe bowles. other then that americans really get owned here imo.


If you're only counting Gold medals, I see Brazilians with 3 or 4 and Americans with 3 or 4. We'll actually get to see Aldo-v-Faber in real life, so that tie will be broken. Your idea of "owned" is very different from mine, I guess.

All of this is more-or-less of the top of my head, and of course it's all speculative. I don't think anything I've written is totally off the reservation, though, and the claim that "the Americans would really get owned here" doesn't seem to hold a lot of water. 25 medals, including 5 Golds, isn't implausible.





EDIT: "J-A-P" gets redacted? Political correctness run amok, imo, but whatev...
AchillesHeel
2/15/10 10:03:37AM

Posted by AchillesHeel

Big Nog, Dos Santos, Dan Hardy, JZ Calvan, Kawajiri, Fabiano and Yamamoto are the most likely non-Americans to reach the medal rounds, in addition to the guys I already named above.


Forgot Fabricio Werdum and Alistair Overeem.

Also, I'm not sure if it was just a typo, but Andrei Arlovski is Belarusian, not Russian.
hate4thestate
2/15/10 6:45:34PM

Posted by AchillesHeel


Posted by hate4thestate

americans walk away with the most medals? you only have one american winning out the four fights u said were hardly a contest?


As with all other sports, I'm assuming there would be 3 medals awarded in each weight class, possibly four, as is the case in Olympic wrestling (two Bronze medals are awarded in each weight class).

In the Gold-medal matches I cited above, the loser would be awarded the Silver. I'll add my picks for Bronze medals, as well.

265 lbs: Gold - Fedor (RUS), Silver - Brock (USA), Bronze - Mir (USA) and Arlovski (BEL)
205 lbs: Gold - I'll go with Shogun (BRA), Silver - Rampage (USA), Bronze - Machida (BRA) and Nogueira (BRA)
185 lbs: Gold - Silva (BRA), Silver - Henderson (USA), Bronze - Mousasi (NED), Sonnen (USA), Belfort (BRA) or Franklin (USA)
170 lbs: Gold - St. Pierre (CAN), Silver - Shields (USA), Bronze - Fitch (USA) and Alves (BRA)
155 lbs: Gold - Penn (USA), Silver - Aoki (JPN), Bronze - Florian (USA) and Alvarez (USA)
145 lbs: Gold - Aldo (BRA), Silver - Faber (USA), Bronze - Brown (USA) and... um... Omigawa (JPN) I guess...
135 lbs: Gold - Bowles (USA), Silver - Torres (USA), Bronze - Cruz (USA) and Benavidez (USA), maybe Fabiano (BRA) or Yamamoto (JPN) if he isn't washed up
Women's 145 lbs: Gold - Santos (BRA), Silver - Toughill (USA), Bronze - Carano (USA) and Coenen (NED)
Women's 135 lbs: Gold - Larosa (USA), Silver - Kaufman (CAN), Bronze - Akano (JPN), Baszler (USA), Modafferi (USA), Hashi (JPN), I'm not sure
Women's 125 lbs: Damm (BRA), Sexton (ENG), Nakai (JPN), I'm not real familiar with this weight class
Women's 115 lbs: Gold - Megumi Fujii (JPN), Silver - Yuka Tsuji (JPN), Bronze - more Japanese, Matsumoto, Yamaguchi, I dunno.

Total medals, by my reckoning:
USA - 18 or 20
BRA - 8 or 10
JPN - 6 or 7
CAN - 2
NED - 2
RUS - 1

The Brazilians have a lock on 205 lbs. Aside from Rampage, Rashad Evans could sneak into the medal rounds. I'm not sure I like Randy Couture against the crafty strikers in this division, but you can never say never with that guy.

Aside from the guys mentioned above, the Americans pretty well own the Heavyweight, Welterweight, Lightweight and Bantamweight divisions. The list of American fighters I haven't named yet who could plausibly reach the medal rounds in these weight classes is simply too long to provide here. Big Nog, Dos Santos, Dan Hardy, JZ Calvan, Kawajiri, Fabiano and Yamamoto are the most likely non-Americans to reach the medal rounds, in addition to the guys I already named above.


Posted by hate4thestate

and mousasi vs silva would be more of a match then i think you believe. i think mousasi has a great shot at winning especially if its at lhw.


I don't know why Silva would fight at 185. Mousasi would be better off at 185 also, as would Dan Henderson and Rich Franklin. I don't think those three would earn a medal at 205 lbs.


Posted by hate4thestate

only americans i see wining gold are bj and maybe bowles. other then that americans really get owned here imo.


If you're only counting Gold medals, I see Brazilians with 3 or 4 and Americans with 3 or 4. We'll actually get to see Aldo-v-Faber in real life, so that tie will be broken. Your idea of "owned" is very different from mine, I guess.

All of this is more-or-less of the top of my head, and of course it's all speculative. I don't think anything I've written is totally off the reservation, though, and the claim that "the Americans would really get owned here" doesn't seem to hold a lot of water. 25 medals, including 5 Golds, isn't implausible.



not implausable but highly unlikely.

hw - pretty sure fedor is a lock and if not fedor possibly lesnar or mir but also big nog, cigano, overeem and rogers looked amazing against fedor so im not sure but safe bet is fedor for gold. possibly lesnar and mir are bronze and silver being generous.

lhw - no way the brazilians arnt walking away with this either lyoto or shogun. but if they dont it will be mousasi. either way no american is getting gold silver or bronze here imo.

mw - silva, sonnen, marquardt, belfort, hendo, shields, maia. lots of opportunities for american silver and/or bronze here. silva gold after watching sonnen beat nate probably sonnen for bronze or silver but shields maia hendo would be problems for sonnen imo. but americans silver and bronze.

ww - st pierre, diaz, kos, thiago, alves, fitch, daley. maybe a bronze or silver here for americans. only metal in this class probably ala fitch. alves daley or thiago probably take the bronze or silver.

lw - this is where americans get gold. bj penn, aoki, florian, alvarez, kawajiri, edgar, maybe even hansen. i see maybe two medals here for americans. aoki will probably get at least bronze if not silver. but kawajiri is in the mix too. penn gold. aoki silver/bronze maybe florian silver/bronze.

fw - aldo gold, mtb and faber more then likely picking up bronze and silver.

bw - torres, bowles, ueda, page, cruz. ueda probably getting bronze so 2 more for americans.

so 1 in hw
0 in lhw
benefit of the doubt 2 in mw
benefit of the doubt again 2 in ww
lw 2 again
fw 2
bw 2

so i got 11 medals for americans and only 2 gold. mostly silver and bronze. 18 or 20 is a way too much imo. brazil comes out with most gold and overall probably most medals. even adding a generous 4 medals from the women which i did not include gives me 15. now 20? i just dont see that possible at all. 5 medals more then what i have but i was pretty leniant with some of those calls. 18 isnt implausable but does not seem likely.

as for mousasi he will not fight at 185 hes said this numerous times. if anything he wants to go up in weight. he moved up because of trouble cutting weight.

i just dont see americans getting as many as you speculate. 25 seems implausable even tho anything can happen in mma. 5 gold i dont see happening at all in any universe. silva, fedor, st pierre, aldo, shogun and santos are all a lock imo. which leaves 3 for gold if americans get them but looking at the weight classes left it seems its all america. so lets see

rough generalization still givng usa the benfit of the doubt but not as much lol.

brazil - 8
usa - 14
russia - 1
ned - 2
japan - 6
canada - 2

well after doing some of the math i realized i was wrong americans would pretty much get the most medals. but gold no. according to your women i have 3 gold for america. 5 gold for brazil. but my numbers are generous to americans and it will be close between brazil and usa imo. but brazil def gets the most gold. but i dont see americans gettin 20 medals at all. i mean thats a huge leap.
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