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Theoutlaw08
7/21/11 5:18:41PM
This one could cause some arguments.....but lets have fun with it. Top 10 MMA fighters ever.....

10. BJ Penn (16-7-2)
9. Dan Severn (98-16-7)
8. Randy Couture (19-11)
7. Matt Hughes (45-8)
6. Chuck Liddell (21-8)
5. Bas Rutten (28-4-1)
4. Royce Gracie (14-2-3)
3. Georges St-Pierre (22-2)
2. Fedor Emelianenko (31-3)
1. Anderson Silva (30-4 plus he holds a ton of records)

Honorable Mention:
Don Frye (20-8-1)
Pat Militich (29-7-2)
Wanderlei Silva (33-11-1)
Dan Henderson (27-8)
Shogun Rua (19-5)
prophecy033
7/21/11 6:23:38PM
1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor
3. GSP
4. Chuck Liddell
5. Randy Couture
6. Matt Hughes
7. Big Nog
8. B.J. Penn
9. Royce Gracie
10. Wanderlei Silva

Honorable Mention
Mark Coleman
Hickson Gracie
Dan Severn
Sakuraba
Pat Militich
Bas Rutten
Frank Shamrock
Budgellism
7/21/11 6:30:54PM
1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Fedor
4. B.J. Penn
5. Chuck Liddell
6. Sakuraba
7. Royce Gracie
8. Randy Couture
9. Matt Hughes
10. Dan Severn

There are tons of honorable mentions imo. A lot have already been said.
hashyandy4
7/21/11 7:01:30PM
1 Anderson Silva
2 Fedor Emelianenko
3 Georges St. Pierre
4 Chuck Liddell
5 BJ Penn
6 Randy Couture
7 Matt Hughes
8 Sakuraba
9 Royce Gracie
10 Wanderlei Silva
tn_rebel
7/22/11 12:45:47AM
Can't believe Fedor is in everyone's top 3. He deserves to be in the top 10, but hasn't fought the competition to be in the top 5.
tn_rebel
7/22/11 1:05:22AM
1. Anderson Silva
2. Chuck Liddell
3. GSP
4. Randy Couture
5. Matt Hughes
6. Royce Gracie
7. BJ Penn
8. Fedor
9. Wanderlei
10. Dan Henderson/ Don Frye
Theoutlaw08
7/22/11 9:01:28AM

Posted by tn_rebel

Can't believe Fedor is in everyone's top 3. He deserves to be in the top 10, but hasn't fought the competition to be in the top 5.



I dont like Fedor at all, but he deserves to be in the top 5 based on his record alone. He had a long streak of wins in a row. His competition was tough for the time during his streak. Yes those guys he beat then aren't as good now or even fighting anymore, but at that time, they were some of the bests.
tn_rebel
7/22/11 12:04:29PM

Posted by Theoutlaw08


Posted by tn_rebel

Can't believe Fedor is in everyone's top 3. He deserves to be in the top 10, but hasn't fought the competition to be in the top 5.



I dont like Fedor at all, but he deserves to be in the top 5 based on his record alone. He had a long streak of wins in a row. His competition was tough for the time during his streak. Yes those guys he beat then aren't as good now or even fighting anymore, but at that time, they were some of the bests.



Fedor has never wanted to test himself against the best. That is how he has racked up all those wins. He has made a career out of beating people who couldn't cut it in the UFC. He has dodged competition like Randy Couture his whole career, and 10 years from now everyone will still remember Randy and have no idea who Fedor is. No way he goes ahead of Randy on this list. Randy has fought the best of the best in their primes. Whether he one or lost he always tested himself against the best. How can we put someone in the top 5 that never tested themselves? What if Matt Hughes had dodged GSP and BJ? Would he be considered the best ever?
cowcatcher
7/22/11 12:12:39PM

Posted by tn_rebel

Fedor has never wanted to test himself against the best. That is how he has racked up all those wins. He has made a career out of beating people who couldn't cut it in the UFC. He has dodged competition like Randy Couture his whole career, and 10 years from now everyone will still remember Randy and have no idea who Fedor is. No way he goes ahead of Randy on this list. Randy has fought the best of the best in their primes. Whether he one or lost he always tested himself against the best. How can we put someone in the top 5 that never tested themselves? What if Matt Hughes had dodged GSP and BJ? Would he be considered the best ever?



not again...

Do I even have to argue about this again? Listen, you obviously are fairly new to the sport if you believe that. Do some research, go beyond Fedor's last two fights, and reassess what you said because it is incorrect. It's not an opinion, it's wrong. Period. I could say that the sky is brown and it wouldn't be my opinion, it would just be wrong. That's what you just did here.
ghandikush
7/22/11 12:21:45PM
Anderson
GSP
BJ

Those are my only clearcut picks

then I have a less clearcut guestimate, this is based on performance, consistency, quality of competition, and records held....

Fedor
Saku
Big nog
Hughes
Hendo
Evans (because he has consistantly fought better competition than most champions)
Shogun (no title but as good competition as any champ, and he is the only one to REALLY beat Lyoto)
Theoutlaw08
7/22/11 12:36:39PM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by tn_rebel

Fedor has never wanted to test himself against the best. That is how he has racked up all those wins. He has made a career out of beating people who couldn't cut it in the UFC. He has dodged competition like Randy Couture his whole career, and 10 years from now everyone will still remember Randy and have no idea who Fedor is. No way he goes ahead of Randy on this list. Randy has fought the best of the best in their primes. Whether he one or lost he always tested himself against the best. How can we put someone in the top 5 that never tested themselves? What if Matt Hughes had dodged GSP and BJ? Would he be considered the best ever?



not again...

Do I even have to argue about this again? Listen, you obviously are fairly new to the sport if you believe that. Do some research, go beyond Fedor's last two fights, and reassess what you said because it is incorrect. It's not an opinion, it's wrong. Period. I could say that the sky is brown and it wouldn't be my opinion, it would just be wrong. That's what you just did here.



Yes.....I guess this will happen again....apparently we aren't allowed to talk about Fedor's great accomplishments without some inexperienced playground member flying off the handle.........clueless....
cagerage920
7/22/11 12:54:20PM

Posted by ghandikush
Shogun (no title but as good competition as any champ, and he is the only one to REALLY beat Lyoto)



he had the title. he got it when he really beat lyoto

and if shogun is one of the greatest because he is the only person to finish lyoto shouldnt lyoto be on the list too?
cowcatcher
7/22/11 12:56:56PM
I'm fine with people not liking Fedor. Hell, if people think he's overrated that's fine too, I'll argue with them, but it's their opinion. But to say he ducked UFC fighters when PRIDE clearly had the deeper talent pool bothers me. It also gets to me when people say he fought a bunch of cans. I'm not even to get into the whole thing again, but Kevin Randleman is a great example of a guy who has a .500 record now, but was one of the best in the world in his heyday. Because newer fans go on Sherdog and look up his record on there they think he's a scrub, but that couldn't have been further from the truth when he was in his prime, he was one of the scariest guys out there. It's fine that not everyone wasn't a fan in the old days, but don't act like you have a handle on things back then unless you know what you're talking about. Or just sit under your bridge and wait for a fatter billy goat to walk over it. That's not directed at anyone in particular, it's just a generalization.
emfleek
7/22/11 12:57:51PM

Posted by cagerage920


Posted by ghandikush
Shogun (no title but as good competition as any champ, and he is the only one to REALLY beat Lyoto)



he had the title. he got it when he really beat lyoto

and if shogun is one of the greatest because he is the only person to finish lyoto shouldnt lyoto be on the list too?



He may have won the title but I personally don't consider a fighter to be a true champion until they successfully defend the belt at least once. That's just my opinion, though.
tn_rebel
7/22/11 1:00:06PM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by tn_rebel

Fedor has never wanted to test himself against the best. That is how he has racked up all those wins. He has made a career out of beating people who couldn't cut it in the UFC. He has dodged competition like Randy Couture his whole career, and 10 years from now everyone will still remember Randy and have no idea who Fedor is. No way he goes ahead of Randy on this list. Randy has fought the best of the best in their primes. Whether he one or lost he always tested himself against the best. How can we put someone in the top 5 that never tested themselves? What if Matt Hughes had dodged GSP and BJ? Would he be considered the best ever?



not again...

Do I even have to argue about this again? Listen, you obviously are fairly new to the sport if you believe that. Do some research, go beyond Fedor's last two fights, and reassess what you said because it is incorrect. It's not an opinion, it's wrong. Period. I could say that the sky is brown and it wouldn't be my opinion, it would just be wrong. That's what you just did here.



Your right. I've only been watching since the first UFC was a new release, but no reason to get into that, because Fedor definately has the most devoted, loyal, and hard headed fans in all of mma. But if you look at his resume without your blinders on you will see everyone except the 2 wins over Big Nog have either been UFC rejects or never will be's.
cowcatcher
7/22/11 1:01:16PM
Here's mine in no particular order:

Anderson
GSP
Hughes
Fedor
Chuck
Randy
Saku
Royce
Frank Shamrock
Bas
BJ

This one goes to 11.

EDIT: If I did make a cut it would probably be Randy, but it's hard to do that considering all the titles. Royce would probably be the other one I'd consider cutting, and Big Nog is just off the list.
tn_rebel
7/22/11 1:11:43PM

Posted by cowcatcher

I'm fine with people not liking Fedor. Hell, if people think he's overrated that's fine too, I'll argue with them, but it's their opinion. But to say he ducked UFC fighters when PRIDE clearly had the deeper talent pool bothers me. It also gets to me when people say he fought a bunch of cans. I'm not even to get into the whole thing again, but Kevin Randleman is a great example of a guy who has a .500 record now, but was one of the best in the world in his heyday. Because newer fans go on Sherdog and look up his record on there they think he's a scrub, but that couldn't have been further from the truth when he was in his prime, he was one of the scariest guys out there. It's fine that not everyone wasn't a fan in the old days, but don't act like you have a handle on things back then unless you know what you're talking about. Or just sit under your bridge and wait for a fatter billy goat to walk over it. That's not directed at anyone in particular, it's just a generalization.



Kevin Randleman didin't just hasn't lost fights here lately, he has lost a bunch of fights throughout his career. His biggest win streak was 5 in a role and the only wins worth mentioning are Cro Cop and Pedro Rizzo. Randleman in his prime couldn't cut the mustard. Is this who makes Fedor a legitimate top 5 ever?
cowcatcher
7/22/11 1:11:46PM

Posted by tn_rebel


Your right. I've only been watching since the first UFC was a new release, but no reason to get into that, because Fedor definately has the most devoted, loyal, and hard headed fans in all of mma. But if you look at his resume without your blinders on you will see everyone except the 2 wins over Big Nog have either been UFC rejects or never will be's.



That's great that you've been watching the UFC since you could rent them at Blockbuster, but were you even aware of PRIDE at the time? Did you know that the top fighters in the UFC were leaving and running overseas to Japan? Clearly you haven't followed Fedor's whole career, and that's fine, because I think if you had seen him back in PRIDE you would be singing a different tune.
tn_rebel
7/22/11 1:20:13PM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by tn_rebel


Your right. I've only been watching since the first UFC was a new release, but no reason to get into that, because Fedor definately has the most devoted, loyal, and hard headed fans in all of mma. But if you look at his resume without your blinders on you will see everyone except the 2 wins over Big Nog have either been UFC rejects or never will be's.



That's great that you've been watching the UFC since you could rent them at Blockbuster, but were you even aware of PRIDE at the time? Did you know that the top fighters in the UFC were leaving and running overseas to Japan? Clearly you haven't followed Fedor's whole career, and that's fine, because I think if you had seen him back in PRIDE you would be singing a different tune.



Pride didn't even exist back in 93! Maybe its not me who needs to do some research!
FlashyG
7/22/11 1:30:42PM
1.) Fedor
2.) Anderson Silva
3.) GSP
4.) Matt Hughes
5.) Cain Velasquez
6.) Randy Couture
7.) Jon Jones
8.) Big Nog
9.) BJ Penn
10.) Dan Henderson

I think MMA is growing at such a fast pace that the fighters of today would have destroyed most if not all of the competition in the early days of the sport.

I know guys like Cain and Jones haven't had anywhere near the career that some of the old guard, but its hard not to see that there is something special about them.

As for the idea that Fedor didn't fight good competition, is there a HW who faced better? This coming from a Fedor hater too.
emfleek
7/22/11 1:32:08PM
1. Marlon Sims
2. Marlon Sims
3. Marlon Sims
4. Marlon Sims
5. Marlon Sims
6. Marlon Sims
7. Marlon Sims
8. Marlon Sims
9. Marlon Sims
10. Marlon Sims
cowcatcher
7/22/11 1:32:56PM

Posted by tn_rebel


Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by tn_rebel


Your right. I've only been watching since the first UFC was a new release, but no reason to get into that, because Fedor definately has the most devoted, loyal, and hard headed fans in all of mma. But if you look at his resume without your blinders on you will see everyone except the 2 wins over Big Nog have either been UFC rejects or never will be's.



That's great that you've been watching the UFC since you could rent them at Blockbuster, but were you even aware of PRIDE at the time? Did you know that the top fighters in the UFC were leaving and running overseas to Japan? Clearly you haven't followed Fedor's whole career, and that's fine, because I think if you had seen him back in PRIDE you would be singing a different tune.



Pride didn't even exist back in 93! Maybe its not me who needs to do some research!



Lol, you said it was when you first could rent the video, not the first PPV, I assumed there was some time in between the PPV and the release of the video, especially back then.

Nice use of google though.
cowcatcher
7/22/11 1:40:35PM

Posted by FlashyG

I think MMA is growing at such a fast pace that the fighters of today would have destroyed most if not all of the competition in the early days of the sport.

I know guys like Cain and Jones haven't had anywhere near the career that some of the old guard, but its hard not to see that there is something special about them.



Absolutely, but it's hard to put active fighters on a list of GOAT unless they've had long title runs and are still in a period of dominance so guys like Jones and Cain aren't on my list, but probably will be in a few years. If we matched up today's fighters against old guys in their primes, I'd have to pick the new blood in most cases. Better athletes are getting into the sport, and they are becoming much more complete fighters than the old guard.
tn_rebel
7/22/11 1:52:01PM
Not gonna argue about of much about mma i know. I have already heard all the arguments about Fedor and we are gonna have to agree to disagree. He was in my top 10 but don't feel like he has fought the level of competition of Randy, Chuck, BJ, Matt Hughes, or GSP. That is why he slipped to number 7. Surely even a Fedor fan can agree that he could have found better competition in the UFC (at least over the last 5-7 years). Why even sign with Strikeforce when UFC was offering more money per fight? Unless you just want to keep that record looking pretty.
cowcatcher
7/22/11 1:56:10PM

Posted by tn_rebel


Posted by cowcatcher

I'm fine with people not liking Fedor. Hell, if people think he's overrated that's fine too, I'll argue with them, but it's their opinion. But to say he ducked UFC fighters when PRIDE clearly had the deeper talent pool bothers me. It also gets to me when people say he fought a bunch of cans. I'm not even to get into the whole thing again, but Kevin Randleman is a great example of a guy who has a .500 record now, but was one of the best in the world in his heyday. Because newer fans go on Sherdog and look up his record on there they think he's a scrub, but that couldn't have been further from the truth when he was in his prime, he was one of the scariest guys out there. It's fine that not everyone wasn't a fan in the old days, but don't act like you have a handle on things back then unless you know what you're talking about. Or just sit under your bridge and wait for a fatter billy goat to walk over it. That's not directed at anyone in particular, it's just a generalization.



Kevin Randleman didin't just hasn't lost fights here lately, he has lost a bunch of fights throughout his career. His biggest win streak was 5 in a role and the only wins worth mentioning are Cro Cop and Pedro Rizzo. Randleman in his prime couldn't cut the mustard. Is this who makes Fedor a legitimate top 5 ever?



It was just an example of a guy that people might think very little of if they only have Sherdog as a tool and never watched the fights back then. I said that in the prior post, but you didn't seem to catch that. The point is, the guys that were considered top fighters then have racked up losses over the years that might tarnish their accomplishments to the average/new fan. I'm thinking that logic may be lost on you, but here's to hoping you see my point.

You don't have to like Fedor man, but don't say he was running and hiding from UFC fighters his whole career, he was beating the best guys in the world for years before TUF was on the air and people here took notice of MMA.
cowcatcher
7/22/11 2:04:20PM

Posted by tn_rebel

Not gonna argue about of much about mma i know. I have already heard all the arguments about Fedor and we are gonna have to agree to disagree. He was in my top 10 but don't feel like he has fought the level of competition of Randy, Chuck, BJ, Matt Hughes, or GSP. That is why he slipped to number 7. Surely even a Fedor fan can agree that he could have found better competition in the UFC (at least over the last 5-7 years). Why even sign with Strikeforce when UFC was offering more money per fight? Unless you just want to keep that record looking pretty.



I really don't think Fedor was trying to protect his record, when he signed with SF. A lot of things went into that, most of it we will probably never know the truth on but things can be pieced together form both sides.

Would he have fought better competition in the UFC over the course of the last 4-5 years since the sale of PRIDE than the guys he ended up fighting? Hell yes, of course. But Timmeh and AA weren't cut loose by the UFC for losing, their contracts were up and they went elsewhere. Those were the two guys that carried the UFC HW division in the years leading up to the PRIDE purchase. To discredit them based on what's happened since Fedor beat them is unfair IMO.

Fedor's PRIDE fights after CC weren't exactly spectacular, but at that point in time the UFC was a real force and I think opponents were tougher to come by. I would have liked to see him in the UFC too, and I understand that a lot of fans still are angry at him for not coming over, but what's done is done. What he could have done shouldn't diminish what he HAS done.
FlashyG
7/22/11 2:05:45PM

Posted by tn_rebel

He was in my top 10 but don't feel like he has fought the level of competition of Randy...That is why he slipped to number 7.



James Toney.
tn_rebel
7/22/11 2:06:56PM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by tn_rebel


Posted by cowcatcher

I'm fine with people not liking Fedor. Hell, if people think he's overrated that's fine too, I'll argue with them, but it's their opinion. But to say he ducked UFC fighters when PRIDE clearly had the deeper talent pool bothers me. It also gets to me when people say he fought a bunch of cans. I'm not even to get into the whole thing again, but Kevin Randleman is a great example of a guy who has a .500 record now, but was one of the best in the world in his heyday. Because newer fans go on Sherdog and look up his record on there they think he's a scrub, but that couldn't have been further from the truth when he was in his prime, he was one of the scariest guys out there. It's fine that not everyone wasn't a fan in the old days, but don't act like you have a handle on things back then unless you know what you're talking about. Or just sit under your bridge and wait for a fatter billy goat to walk over it. That's not directed at anyone in particular, it's just a generalization.



Kevin Randleman didin't just hasn't lost fights here lately, he has lost a bunch of fights throughout his career. His biggest win streak was 5 in a role and the only wins worth mentioning are Cro Cop and Pedro Rizzo. Randleman in his prime couldn't cut the mustard. Is this who makes Fedor a legitimate top 5 ever?



It was just an example of a guy that people might think very little of if they only have Sherdog as a tool and never watched the fights back then. I said that in the prior post, but you didn't seem to catch that. The point is, the guys that were considered top fighters then have racked up losses over the years that might tarnish their accomplishments to the average/new fan. I'm thinking that logic may be lost on you, but here's to hoping you see my point.

You don't have to like Fedor man, but don't say he was running and hiding from UFC fighters his whole career, he was beating the best guys in the world for years before TUF was on the air and people here took notice of MMA.



My bad. I thought your point was Randleman was one of those UFC "better" fighters that went to Pride to find competition. when his record was only 4-3 in the UFC. Chuck and Randy have both beat Randleman, but I definately would not include it as one of their career accomplishments. Truth is Randleman looked scarier than he actually was. He was one of those Hammer House steroid freaks that gassed after the first couple minutes.
cowcatcher
7/22/11 2:07:16PM

Posted by FlashyG


Posted by tn_rebel

He was in my top 10 but don't feel like he has fought the level of competition of Randy...That is why he slipped to number 7.



James Toney.



Still floors me that he got his black belt after that.
tn_rebel
7/22/11 2:08:56PM

Posted by FlashyG


Posted by tn_rebel

He was in my top 10 but don't feel like he has fought the level of competition of Randy...That is why he slipped to number 7.



James Toney.



Come on! You know as well as I that was just to prove a point about mma compared to boxing!
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