MMA club’s video of eight-year-olds in cagefighting match causes controversy

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KungFuMaster
9/28/11 3:04:26PM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by KungFuMaster

I was not going to entertain this topic anymore but it seems the topic will not go away.

Here is the thing...

Competition is great for kids. It builds character. It makes kids stronger mentally and prepares them for adult competition. However, if certain competitions prove to be too emotionally demanding, we have to take a step back and look at it from a psychological point of view.

When kids participate in sports such as little league baseball, football and soccer etc., they can have fun while losing. It is an indirect loss. When a kid loses in an mma match, it is not an indirect loss. It is the most direct and personal loss a competitor will have to endure as a sportsman. Many adults are not able to come back from such personal losses and it is with this thought we must look after children's safety first and foremost.

Physical injuries will heal but mental injuries will last a long time if they are not treated and or dealt with properly.

Combat sports are the most personal and direct form of competitions. To participate in such competitions, a competitor should be held to certain criteria.

I pride myself in learning and strive to become wiser with each passing day......I only tell you this to tell you I have made very foolish decisions in my life as an adult. Many of my mistakes are the result of foolish decisions on my part in reaction to what was happening to me.

Many adults cannot handle the mental pressures of life. What makes one think we should introduce it to kids at such a young age?

Let kids be kids. Kids will play and they will get hurt .......but let it not be at the hands of another kid whose purpose.................. is to hurt.



So you're saying kids shouldn't be involved in combat sports because they can't handle losing? Maybe we shouldn't let them play anything without a team around them at all. Maybe we stop letting them play board and video games, or have spelling bees at school because it's so bad for a kid to see that sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. I'm sorry, but your logic is ridiculous and sound like the thoughts of someone that never played sports growing up. Losing is part of life, so is winning, and if kids never try their hands at these things they will be lesser adults for it. I basically think your assessment is dead wrong, and I would never follow that advice with my own kid. I want him to go out and try every sport, or activity he can. It's called living.



Either you have misunderstood me or you have simply refused to see my point.

I think competition is great for kids( see first paragraph). My concern is strictly combat sports. They are the most direct and personal form of competition whereby losing means being out-pushed and or out-hurt by your opponent.

To correct you, I played sports all my life.

If mma is something you wish to impose on your kids, then so be it. You are the parent. I will keep my kids from combat sports and we will do just fine with soccer, baseball, football, ballet, gymnastics etc. If my kids wish to do mma at an older age, I will let them. For now, I will let them be kids.

May I also add that I agree with many posters who endorsed the idea of training mma and not compete in mma for young children.
cowcatcher
9/28/11 3:17:39PM
So you wouldn't let your kids wrestle, or take TKD, but would let them play football? What is the difference there, your kid gets hit with 21 other guys on the field with him rather than alone? Plus it's not like a kid is going to be more apt to getting popped on a wrestling mat than on a football field. Here's what you said:

When kids participate in sports such as little league baseball, football and soccer etc., they can have fun while losing. It is an indirect loss. When a kid loses in an mma match, it is not an indirect loss. It is the most direct and personal loss a competitor will have to endure as a sportsman. Many adults are not able to come back from such personal losses and it is with this thought we must look after children's safety first and foremost.

Maybe I can't read, but you seem to suggest here that team sports are safer for a kid's psyche than individual sports and I call BS on that. What about the 50% of kids that win in individual sports? Was it a bad thing for them to be involved in the sport? Here's something really crazy; sometimes kids lose one day and win the next, and that's how life goes for adults as well.
KungFuMaster
9/28/11 4:22:31PM


Let kids be kids. Kids will play and they will get hurt .......but let it not be at the hands of another kid whose purpose.................. is to hurt.

^^^This is the essence of what I am saying^^^ and if that does not make any sense then let me tell you a story about little Jimmy.

Jimmy's dad picks him up from mma practice.

"Come on, Jimmy, I have a surprise for you."

"What is it, Dad?"

"I have been waiting a long time for this...You are now 8 years old. Do you know what that means?

"Nope."

"Since you are growing up, I want to prepare you for the world. Have you ever been to the morgue?

"What's a morgue?"

"I'll show you when we get there after we pick up a movie which I am sure you will like when we watch it tonight. It's called Deep Throat starring Jenna Jameson. It's one of my favorite movies. I'm sure you'll like it."

"That sounds great, Dad!"

"Great and guess what? We will have to stop by the adult store to pick up a blow up doll. I have a few tricks I want to show you. After all, you are 8 years old now and I need to expose you to as many aspects of life as I can. We'll get the blow up doll and I'll let you practice on it. We can watch the movie at the same time."

"You're the greatest, Dad."

"I know.....anything for you, my Son."
cowcatcher
9/28/11 5:20:41PM

Posted by KungFuMaster



Let kids be kids. Kids will play and they will get hurt .......but let it not be at the hands of another kid whose purpose.................. is to hurt.

^^^This is the essence of what I am saying^^^ and if that does not make any sense then let me tell you a story about little Jimmy.

Jimmy's dad picks him up from mma practice.

"Come on, Jimmy, I have a surprise for you."

"What is it, Dad?"

"I have been waiting a long time for this...You are now 8 years old. Do you know what that means?

"Nope."

"Since you are growing up, I want to prepare you for the world. Have you ever been to the morgue?

"What's a morgue?"

"I'll show you when we get there after we pick up a movie which I am sure you will like when we watch it tonight. It's called Deep Throat starring Jenna Jameson. It's one of my favorite movies. I'm sure you'll like it."

"That sounds great, Dad!"

"Great and guess what? We will have to stop by the adult store to pick up a blow up doll. I have a few tricks I want to show you. After all, you are 8 years old now and I need to expose you to as many aspects of life as I can. We'll get the blow up doll and I'll let you practice on it. We can watch the movie at the same time."

"You're the greatest, Dad."

"I know.....anything for you, my Son."



Touching story. It has nothing to do with kids playing combat sports, and the value of team sports as opposed to individual sports, but it was nice. Maybe now I'm prepared to read your boat stories and I'll get them and learn a lesson I can carry with me for the rest of my life. More likely I'll just continue to think they are the ramblings of someone that tries really hard to be deep and philosophical, but really just lacks basic social skills.
FlashyG
9/28/11 5:24:37PM

Posted by KungFuMaster

If mma is something you wish to impose on your kids, then so be it. You are the parent. I will keep my kids from combat sports and we will do just fine with soccer, baseball, football, ballet, gymnastics etc. If my kids wish to do mma at an older age, I will let them. For now, I will let them be kids.



Impose on your kids? I doubt any of those kids were forced into grappling. I would be willing to bet they were both quite happy to be there.

What age is ok to participate in a combat sport? and what exactly constitutes a combat sport? Football, Hockey, Lacrosse, and Rugby are all at least comparably or more violent than grappling, are they considered combat sports as well?

As for your last post, It's not easy to respond to it without breaking the sites rules so I'll just say that comparing a grappling or wrestling match in a controlled setting to taking your child to the morgue or buying him a sex toy says more about the way your mind works than I ever cared to know.


KungFuMaster
9/28/11 5:39:05PM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by KungFuMaster



Let kids be kids. Kids will play and they will get hurt .......but let it not be at the hands of another kid whose purpose.................. is to hurt.

^^^This is the essence of what I am saying^^^ and if that does not make any sense then let me tell you a story about little Jimmy.

Jimmy's dad picks him up from mma practice.

"Come on, Jimmy, I have a surprise for you."

"What is it, Dad?"

"I have been waiting a long time for this...You are now 8 years old. Do you know what that means?

"Nope."

"Since you are growing up, I want to prepare you for the world. Have you ever been to the morgue?

"What's a morgue?"

"I'll show you when we get there after we pick up a movie which I am sure you will like when we watch it tonight. It's called Deep Throat starring Jenna Jameson. It's one of my favorite movies. I'm sure you'll like it."

"That sounds great, Dad!"

"Great and guess what? We will have to stop by the adult store to pick up a blow up doll. I have a few tricks I want to show you. After all, you are 8 years old now and I need to expose you to as many aspects of life as I can. We'll get the blow up doll and I'll let you practice on it. We can watch the movie at the same time."

"You're the greatest, Dad."

"I know.....anything for you, my Son."



Touching story. It has nothing to do with kids playing combat sports, and the value of team sports as opposed to individual sports, but it was nice. Maybe now I'm prepared to read your boat stories and I'll get them and learn a lesson I can carry with me for the rest of my life. More likely I'll just continue to think they are the ramblings of someone that tries really hard to be deep and philosophical, but really just lacks basic social skills.



This is why I did not want to entertain this thread in the first place. Someone always gets too emotionally attached to the subject and starts insulting another member on a personal level.
KungFuMaster
9/28/11 5:45:20PM

Posted by FlashyG


Posted by KungFuMaster

If mma is something you wish to impose on your kids, then so be it. You are the parent. I will keep my kids from combat sports and we will do just fine with soccer, baseball, football, ballet, gymnastics etc. If my kids wish to do mma at an older age, I will let them. For now, I will let them be kids.



Impose on your kids? I doubt any of those kids were forced into grappling. I would be willing to bet they were both quite happy to be there.

What age is ok to participate in a combat sport? and what exactly constitutes a combat sport? Football, Hockey, Lacrosse, and Rugby are all at least comparably or more violent than grappling, are they considered combat sports as well?

As for your last post, It's not easy to respond to it without breaking the sites rules so I'll just say that comparing a grappling or wrestling match in a controlled setting to taking your child to the morgue or buying him a sex toy says more about the way your mind works than I ever cared to know.





If that is all you got from that post, then you should not read me anymore.
cowcatcher
9/28/11 5:50:35PM

Posted by KungFuMaster


Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by KungFuMaster



Let kids be kids. Kids will play and they will get hurt .......but let it not be at the hands of another kid whose purpose.................. is to hurt.

^^^This is the essence of what I am saying^^^ and if that does not make any sense then let me tell you a story about little Jimmy.

Jimmy's dad picks him up from mma practice.

"Come on, Jimmy, I have a surprise for you."

"What is it, Dad?"

"I have been waiting a long time for this...You are now 8 years old. Do you know what that means?

"Nope."

"Since you are growing up, I want to prepare you for the world. Have you ever been to the morgue?

"What's a morgue?"

"I'll show you when we get there after we pick up a movie which I am sure you will like when we watch it tonight. It's called Deep Throat starring Jenna Jameson. It's one of my favorite movies. I'm sure you'll like it."

"That sounds great, Dad!"

"Great and guess what? We will have to stop by the adult store to pick up a blow up doll. I have a few tricks I want to show you. After all, you are 8 years old now and I need to expose you to as many aspects of life as I can. We'll get the blow up doll and I'll let you practice on it. We can watch the movie at the same time."

"You're the greatest, Dad."

"I know.....anything for you, my Son."



Touching story. It has nothing to do with kids playing combat sports, and the value of team sports as opposed to individual sports, but it was nice. Maybe now I'm prepared to read your boat stories and I'll get them and learn a lesson I can carry with me for the rest of my life. More likely I'll just continue to think they are the ramblings of someone that tries really hard to be deep and philosophical, but really just lacks basic social skills.



This is why I did not want to entertain this thread in the first place. Someone always gets too emotionally attached to the subject and starts insulting another member on a personal level.



You told a story about an 8 year old getting porn and a blow up doll from his dad to practice on and didn't expect to have someone call you out? I was wrong, you have excellent social skills.
KungFuMaster
9/28/11 5:51:07PM

Posted by KungFuMaster



Let kids be kids. Kids will play and they will get hurt .......but let it not be at the hands of another kid whose purpose.................. is to hurt.

^^^This is the essence of what I am saying^^^ and if that does not make any sense then let me tell you a story about little Jimmy.

Jimmy's dad picks him up from mma practice.

"Come on, Jimmy, I have a surprise for you."

"What is it, Dad?"

"I have been waiting a long time for this...You are now 8 years old. Do you know what that means?

"Nope."

"Since you are growing up, I want to prepare you for the world. Have you ever been to the morgue?

"What's a morgue?"

"I'll show you when we get there after we pick up a movie which I am sure you will like when we watch it tonight. It's called Deep Throat starring Jenna Jameson. It's one of my favorite movies. I'm sure you'll like it."

"That sounds great, Dad!"

"Great and guess what? We will have to stop by the adult store to pick up a blow up doll. I have a few tricks I want to show you. After all, you are 8 years old now and I need to expose you to as many aspects of life as I can. We'll get the blow up doll and I'll let you practice on it. We can watch the movie at the same time."

"You're the greatest, Dad."

"I know.....anything for you, my Son."



Translation of this post...

There are things which are not age-appropriate for young kids.

KungFuMaster
9/28/11 5:57:04PM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by KungFuMaster


Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by KungFuMaster



Let kids be kids. Kids will play and they will get hurt .......but let it not be at the hands of another kid whose purpose.................. is to hurt.

^^^This is the essence of what I am saying^^^ and if that does not make any sense then let me tell you a story about little Jimmy.

Jimmy's dad picks him up from mma practice.

"Come on, Jimmy, I have a surprise for you."

"What is it, Dad?"

"I have been waiting a long time for this...You are now 8 years old. Do you know what that means?

"Nope."

"Since you are growing up, I want to prepare you for the world. Have you ever been to the morgue?

"What's a morgue?"

"I'll show you when we get there after we pick up a movie which I am sure you will like when we watch it tonight. It's called Deep Throat starring Jenna Jameson. It's one of my favorite movies. I'm sure you'll like it."

"That sounds great, Dad!"

"Great and guess what? We will have to stop by the adult store to pick up a blow up doll. I have a few tricks I want to show you. After all, you are 8 years old now and I need to expose you to as many aspects of life as I can. We'll get the blow up doll and I'll let you practice on it. We can watch the movie at the same time."

"You're the greatest, Dad."

"I know.....anything for you, my Son."



Touching story. It has nothing to do with kids playing combat sports, and the value of team sports as opposed to individual sports, but it was nice. Maybe now I'm prepared to read your boat stories and I'll get them and learn a lesson I can carry with me for the rest of my life. More likely I'll just continue to think they are the ramblings of someone that tries really hard to be deep and philosophical, but really just lacks basic social skills.



This is why I did not want to entertain this thread in the first place. Someone always gets too emotionally attached to the subject and starts insulting another member on a personal level.



You told a story about an 8 year old getting porn and a blow up doll from his dad to practice on and didn't expect to have someone call you out? I was wrong, you have excellent social skills.



Whether I have excellent social skills or not is irrelevant to the topic at hand. But if you must know, I do have excellent social skills. I can play in the roughest neighborhood and I can hold my own in the most prestigious of neighborhoods.

Oh and I am sure you have great social skills too.
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