McDonald's odds

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JoeMimic
2/28/07 2:13:24AM
He's +350 on sportsbook and +400 on betus.com looks like a pretty good underdog bet; theyre giving Rich plenty of respect coming back from the loss to Silva.
ManBeast
2/28/07 4:07:52PM
for some reason I have this gut feeling that McDonald would pull an upset.. But I wont be placing any bets IRL at the moment.
shawneth
2/28/07 4:12:46PM
Wouldnt be prudent to bet on McDonald. Franklin standout is WAY too good for him and I dont see J-Mac getting him done in any way. Franklin by 1st or 2nd round KO.
fedorwins1
2/28/07 4:44:51PM

Posted by shawneth

Wouldnt be prudent to bet on McDonald. Franklin standout is WAY too good for him and I dont see J-Mac getting him done in any way. Franklin by 1st or 2nd round KO.



Yes Franklins standup is way better than McDonald's and he's alot bigger than him also so he will be able to control him the whole fight.

Franklin 1st or 2nd round TKO
pv3Hpv3p
2/28/07 4:51:05PM

Posted by fedorwins1


Posted by shawneth

Wouldnt be prudent to bet on McDonald. Franklin standout is WAY too good for him and I dont see J-Mac getting him done in any way. Franklin by 1st or 2nd round KO.



Yes Franklins standup is way better than McDonald's and he's alot bigger than him also so he will be able to control him the whole fight.

Franklin 1st or 2nd round TKO



J-Mac's actually a pretty big dude... He's got at least an inch on Franklin, heightwise, and he looks to be in phenominal shape...

IMO, they are two of the biggest 185ers in the UFC
fedorwins1
2/28/07 4:52:02PM

Posted by pv3Hpv3p


Posted by fedorwins1


Posted by shawneth

Wouldnt be prudent to bet on McDonald. Franklin standout is WAY too good for him and I dont see J-Mac getting him done in any way. Franklin by 1st or 2nd round KO.



Yes Franklins standup is way better than McDonald's and he's alot bigger than him also so he will be able to control him the whole fight.

Franklin 1st or 2nd round TKO



J-Mac's actually a pretty big dude... He's got at least an inch on Franklin, heightwise, and he looks to be in phenominal shape...

IMO, they are two of the biggest 185ers in the UFC



Oh I was kinda guessing since everyone is usually smaller than Rich lol
pv3Hpv3p
2/28/07 5:14:39PM

Posted by fedorwins1


Posted by pv3Hpv3p


Posted by fedorwins1


Posted by shawneth

Wouldnt be prudent to bet on McDonald. Franklin standout is WAY too good for him and I dont see J-Mac getting him done in any way. Franklin by 1st or 2nd round KO.



Yes Franklins standup is way better than McDonald's and he's alot bigger than him also so he will be able to control him the whole fight.

Franklin 1st or 2nd round TKO



J-Mac's actually a pretty big dude... He's got at least an inch on Franklin, heightwise, and he looks to be in phenominal shape...

IMO, they are two of the biggest 185ers in the UFC



Oh I was kinda guessing since everyone is usually smaller than Rich lol



Ya, Rich is a huge MW... And I really didn't think of Macdonald as that big, I think because he looks like a nice fellow and all, it just doesn't equall some big 6'3" badass to me...

Oh, well... Hopefully it's a great fight and we can see Rich get back on the winning side of things
Lay_N_Pray
2/28/07 7:55:08PM
Of course they are giving Ace respect coming off his loss to Silva because he deserves it. Every fighter loses eventually, even Fedor will lose sooner or later. I'm not saying Ace is a better fighter then Silva, thats still up in the air.

Franklin will win the fight by KO with his scientific striking
hippysmacker
2/28/07 9:00:16PM
Dana said the winner of this fight get's a title shot, so I think McDonald will be giving it all he has. I beleive he said that to set up a Franklin/Silva rematch though. I'll take Rich anyway
Northrend
2/28/07 9:09:43PM

Posted by Lay_N_Pray

Of course they are giving Ace respect coming off his loss to Silva because he deserves it. Every fighter loses eventually, even Fedor will lose sooner or later. I'm not saying Ace is a better fighter then Silva, thats still up in the air.

Franklin will win the fight by KO with his scientific striking



How is Ace even considered a better fighter then Silva after he got dominated and KO'ed.
hippysmacker
2/28/07 9:15:53PM

Posted by Northrend


Posted by Lay_N_Pray

Of course they are giving Ace respect coming off his loss to Silva because he deserves it. Every fighter loses eventually, even Fedor will lose sooner or later. I'm not saying Ace is a better fighter then Silva, thats still up in the air.

Franklin will win the fight by KO with his scientific striking



How is Ace even considered a better fighter then Silva after he got dominated and KO'ed.



He said " I'm not saying Ace is a better fighter than Silva, that's still up in the air"
I think you misread his post
ManBeast
3/1/07 4:15:29AM

Posted by Northrend


Posted by Lay_N_Pray

Of course they are giving Ace respect coming off his loss to Silva because he deserves it. Every fighter loses eventually, even Fedor will lose sooner or later. I'm not saying Ace is a better fighter then Silva, thats still up in the air.

Franklin will win the fight by KO with his scientific striking



How is Ace even considered a better fighter then Silva after he got dominated and KO'ed.



Ace is good MW but he isnt on Silva's level when it comes to standup.
Svartorm
3/1/07 5:46:16AM
Agreed. If hes going to win the rematch, hes going to need to come in with a very slick game plan or hes had it. He also can't afford to look past MacDonald though, as I'm sure he wants the title just as much as Franklin wants it back.
ElGuapo31
3/1/07 12:01:55PM
+400 is a great bet...the guy keeps getting counted out

franklin probably knocks him out but the bet is worth it
JoeMimic
3/1/07 12:07:07PM

Posted by ElGuapo31

+400 is a great bet...the guy keeps getting counted out

franklin probably knocks him out but the bet is worth it



I agree; that's risking $10 that Franklin comes back with Wandy/Loiseau syndrome for $40. Great odds for McDonald and the chance is there that he could pull the upset.
Hogzilla
3/1/07 12:30:02PM
I got Ace no doubt in my mind. Franklin has so much to prove right now. If he loses this one where would he be?
pv3Hpv3p
3/1/07 12:33:01PM

Posted by JoeMimic


Posted by ElGuapo31

+400 is a great bet...the guy keeps getting counted out

franklin probably knocks him out but the bet is worth it



I agree; that's risking $10 that Franklin comes back with Wandy/Loiseau syndrome for $40. Great odds for McDonald and the chance is there that he could pull the upset.



Did you honestly just compare Wanderlei and Loiseau??? Don't you think that's jumping the gun a little??

David Loiseau was almost a decent competetor at one point, while Wandy was champ for 5+ years...

IMO, that deserves a little more respect
JoeMimic
3/1/07 12:43:47PM

Posted by pv3Hpv3p


Posted by JoeMimic


Posted by ElGuapo31

+400 is a great bet...the guy keeps getting counted out

franklin probably knocks him out but the bet is worth it



I agree; that's risking $10 that Franklin comes back with Wandy/Loiseau syndrome for $40. Great odds for McDonald and the chance is there that he could pull the upset.



Did you honestly just compare Wanderlei and Loiseau??? Don't you think that's jumping the gun a little??

David Loiseau was almost a decent competetor at one point, while Wandy was champ for 5+ years...

IMO, that deserves a little more respect



Only comparing them in the fact that once they suffered a tremendous beating (Loiseau to Franklin and Wandy to Cro Cop) they came out their next fight or in Loiseau's case several fights after that and looked nothing like the fighters that they had been before. Overall no you couldn't compare Wandy to Loiseau unless you count the fact that I bet against both in their last fights and won
pv3Hpv3p
3/1/07 12:54:18PM

Posted by JoeMimic


Posted by pv3Hpv3p


Posted by JoeMimic


Posted by ElGuapo31

+400 is a great bet...the guy keeps getting counted out

franklin probably knocks him out but the bet is worth it



I agree; that's risking $10 that Franklin comes back with Wandy/Loiseau syndrome for $40. Great odds for McDonald and the chance is there that he could pull the upset.



Did you honestly just compare Wanderlei and Loiseau??? Don't you think that's jumping the gun a little??

David Loiseau was almost a decent competetor at one point, while Wandy was champ for 5+ years...

IMO, that deserves a little more respect



Only comparing them in the fact that once they suffered a tremendous beating (Loiseau to Franklin and Wandy to Cro Cop) they came out their next fight or in Loiseau's case several fights after that and looked nothing like the fighters that they had been before. Overall no you couldn't compare Wandy to Loiseau unless you count the fact that I bet against both in their last fights and won



Sorry, didn't mean to jump on you like that...

I just get the feeling that some people who don't know much about Wanderlei Silva, not saying that you don't; but some people might judge him from his last two fights, and wonder what all the hype was about.

He is one MMA's all time greats... Never backs down from a fight, always brings all he has and leaves it in the ring.
JoeMimic
3/1/07 1:23:02PM

Posted by pv3Hpv3p


Posted by JoeMimic


Posted by pv3Hpv3p


Posted by JoeMimic


Posted by ElGuapo31

+400 is a great bet...the guy keeps getting counted out

franklin probably knocks him out but the bet is worth it



I agree; that's risking $10 that Franklin comes back with Wandy/Loiseau syndrome for $40. Great odds for McDonald and the chance is there that he could pull the upset.



Did you honestly just compare Wanderlei and Loiseau??? Don't you think that's jumping the gun a little??

David Loiseau was almost a decent competetor at one point, while Wandy was champ for 5+ years...

IMO, that deserves a little more respect



Only comparing them in the fact that once they suffered a tremendous beating (Loiseau to Franklin and Wandy to Cro Cop) they came out their next fight or in Loiseau's case several fights after that and looked nothing like the fighters that they had been before. Overall no you couldn't compare Wandy to Loiseau unless you count the fact that I bet against both in their last fights and won



Sorry, didn't mean to jump on you like that...

I just get the feeling that some people who don't know much about Wanderlei Silva, not saying that you don't; but some people might judge him from his last two fights, and wonder what all the hype was about.

He is one MMA's all time greats... Never backs down from a fight, always brings all he has and leaves it in the ring.



I agree Wandy is one of the best to ever do it; I can understand why you would think people don't know alot about Wanderlei around here sometimes its tough goings figuring out who knows their stuff and people who don't.
We_Todd_Did
3/1/07 5:57:44PM
I really think Ace is going to be a man on a mission, and to say Mac Donald has his hands full would be a gross understatement.I think a lot of people underestimate the steep learning curve that Ace has, he's smart and didn't start training in MMA till his mid-late 20's.After his last loss I'll bet that he's spent more time training in the muay thai clinch than most fighters would even bother with, and will be ready when his rematch with Anderson happens.
TVDog
3/1/07 7:35:47PM
Ahem.

RICH FRANKLIN IS NOT THAT GREAT OF A FIGHTER.

Jason MacDonald was brought in as cannon fodder for Ed Herman and Chris Leben and beat them both in convincing fashion. He'll be coming into this fight with an A+ game plan ready and I fully believe if he doesn't embarass Rich Franklin then he'll at least give "Ace" a run for his money.

Franklin was OWNED in his last fight. You don't just rebound from a defeat like that very easily. The whole world saw that when it comes to striking he can be outclassed. There's weaknesses in Rich's fight game that can be exploited, and I think I think MacDonald's got a plan to work through those weaknesses.

He's got a better shot than you people are giving him credit.
Stickan
3/1/07 7:51:01PM
People talk about Rich´s striking as if it's comparable to A.Silva´s, CC´s or Chuck´s.
IMO what makes Rich such a great fighter is his athleticism and his brains. His intelligence has made him into a spunge, picking up everything that he's been taught and that's why he's so proficient at every aspect of the game. His well-roundedness and his athleticism gets him far but he played right into A.Silva´s game last time. He's not gonna play a submission game with J-Mac. If he ends up on the ground I'm sure he has enough skills to get back up or at least survive until a stand-up. If he gets on top of J-Mac he'll probably just drop some bombs and if he hurts him move in for the kill, otherwise just stand right back up.

Rich is too good to lose this fight. I think he'll win by TKO, hurting J-Mac on the feet, finishing with GNP.
warglory
3/1/07 8:04:16PM
Mark my words...MacDonald is going to win this match.
jdubs
3/1/07 10:25:35PM
id bet on him, would be the easiest 400 bucks i ever made... come to think of it, it would probably be the only 400 i ever made
pv3Hpv3p
3/2/07 11:27:30AM

Posted by TVDog

Ahem.

RICH FRANKLIN IS NOT THAT GREAT OF A FIGHTER.

Jason MacDonald was brought in as cannon fodder for Ed Herman and Chris Leben and beat them both in convincing fashion. He'll be coming into this fight with an A+ game plan ready and I fully believe if he doesn't embarass Rich Franklin then he'll at least give "Ace" a run for his money.

Franklin was OWNED in his last fight. You don't just rebound from a defeat like that very easily. The whole world saw that when it comes to striking he can be outclassed. There's weaknesses in Rich's fight game that can be exploited, and I think I think MacDonald's got a plan to work through those weaknesses.

He's got a better shot than you people are giving him credit.



Since the whole world saw that Franklin can be beaten in the standup, and J-mac can exploit his weakness...

Are you saying that Macdonald can beat him in the standup game because Anderson Silva did?

The more I think of it, this can't be what you meant... If you want to look at it this way, A.Silva is one of the best strikers in the game, and I think most people will agree that it was a bad gameplan that got rich "owned" in his last fight, or at least give Franklin the benefit of the doubt.

I would love to see Franklin fight either Leben or Herman, just because they are popular does not mean that they are top class fighters, and just because Mac came in as an unkown didn't mean he was going to get run over by this guy that I saw on TV for a few weeks...

the problem is that he's not unknown anymore... No one, especially Rich, is going to take Jason lightly after two people made the mistake...
madmarck
3/2/07 1:50:36PM

Posted by ManBeast

for some reason I have this gut feeling that McDonald would pull an upset.. But I wont be placing any bets IRL at the moment.


Im gonna place bets on J-mac. with all the recent upsets inthe MMA world. I believe in him!
Macdonald by armbar Round 1!
argile
3/2/07 3:21:12PM
It would be a good underdog bet, Macdonald has a good shot. They've started fighting the same time and have about the same amount of fights, Macdonald prolly wont win if he cant submit him. Macdonald by submission in 1,2,3rd round or Franklin by TKO/KO in 1,2,3rd round or by a decision.
Trapt1nw0nder
3/2/07 4:04:24PM

Posted by madmarck


Posted by ManBeast

for some reason I have this gut feeling that McDonald would pull an upset.. But I wont be placing any bets IRL at the moment.


Im gonna place bets on J-mac. with all the recent upsets inthe MMA world. I believe in him!
Macdonald by armbar Round 1!




hey..how about my 175 that Franklin KO's Macdonald in the 1st...to your 75 that Macdonald subs Franklin in the first?

if we are both wrong we both keep the money!
argile
3/2/07 4:43:12PM

Posted by Trapt1nw0nder


Posted by madmarck


Posted by ManBeast

for some reason I have this gut feeling that McDonald would pull an upset.. But I wont be placing any bets IRL at the moment.


Im gonna place bets on J-mac. with all the recent upsets inthe MMA world. I believe in him!
Macdonald by armbar Round 1!




hey..how about my 175 that Franklin KO's Macdonald in the 1st...to your 75 that Macdonald subs Franklin in the first?

if we are both wrong we both keep the money!



Franklin has a way of a better chance to knock out macdonald in the first round then macdonald would have to submit him in the first. id do that bet if you put up 250 to my 75.
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