Posted by dannyfrank
Posted by 40ouncetofreedom
Posted by gsquat
I vote "primarily" on Christian values. These are also what happen to be best for our country. Having a Christian mindset leads to having a conservative mindset.
I mean thats i cool i respect your decision but i think voting primarily on religious views is kinda lame.I mean theres alot more important things at stake other worrying about gays gettting married and women aborting babies and wether or not someone is christian.I believe in my own individual liberties as an american..Im not gay so why should i care if some dude wants to marry the person he loves which may be a dude...If someone didnt want you to marry someone you love because "its not in the bible" or its not protecting the sanctity of marriage how would you feel...If america is land of the free...then people should be able to marry who they love and a women should be able to decide if she is ready and suitable enough to become a parent.I mean me personally i would take responsibility and have a kid and i wouldnt marry a dude..But i also feel that its not my business what people do...wether or not you agree with it doesnt mean its wrong.
Like Hippy above me said everyone thought Bush was this good christian man with Morals and look at our country..were pretty messed up and divided..i dont think we can deal with 4 more years of the past 8 years...its time to end the war take our country back and make peace with world.
absolutely agree man. i honestly dont care what religion anyone is, especially in politics. i mean, isnt it supposed to be a separation of church and state? i also dont buy into that whole "christian values" thing. ive met some people who are atheist or agnostic who are way better people than some supposed "christians" that ive met.
I find it sad that people think its lame just because they disagree with it. How either of you make your decisions is up to you, and what you agree with is your choice. The funny thing to me is I held most of the same views before I ever even got involved with Christianity at 22. I am sure people would find some other reason for criticizing them then too. Whether someone is liberal, conservative Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist isn't as important to me as character in the political arena or life. Character is everything to me. I have many friends of different theological views , and political views. I would never criticize them for sticking up for what they profess to beleive, even if I disagreed with them. that doesn't mean I won't fight just as hard about my views, but I can respect those who stand by their principles if they are even remotely reasonable to me. I also try to understand why they think the way they do before making judgments. This country was founded on the principles of Christianity, and why it definitely hasn't always lived up to it, I beleive we would all better off if we had stuck to it. Separation of Church and state has nothing to do with this, however anyone comes up with their views is their business, or are you saying that anyone who believes in a religion shouldn't have the right to vote? That would be the most hypocritical, illogical , unconstitutional, and bias concept I can imagine. I will give you both the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean that. Separation of Church and state was mostly put in our constitution so religious leaders would not have a legal right to overrule elected officials, and that they could be punished for trying to do so . Also so minority religions would have right to religious freedom without persecution, as long as they don't violate the laws of the land . Not so people could tell anyone who believes in GOD that their opinion doesn't count. Religion, politics, etc, all have had many corrupt leaders throughout history .The way people interpret the constitution and the bible alone has caused so many arguments that there is a reason that checks and balances are needed in government.Your definition of freedom would also allow child molesters to molest. Land of the free right? There has to be limits, and we just disagree on what they are. I think homosexuality is wrong, and that most gay people are the most intolerant people that I have ever met. They can't even allow someone like me to disagree with them without resorting to insults. It is completely illogical To label someone as a intolerant person simply for disagreeing with their opinions or lifestyle. I see them as intolerant, for telling me I can''t vote based on what I believe. I'm not telling consenting adults they can't be gay. Just that I believe marriage is between a man and a woman only. I disagree with their lifestyle, and think it is harmful not only morally to the world, but in the a case of anal sex( with anyone) it is proven to be medically unhealthy. Still what l consenting adults do behind closed door is their business. they are the ones trying to force me to agree with them, Not the other way around. Marriage has always been defined as between a man and a woman in America. They can still be gay, just don't try to force me to agree with it. The entire issue of " political tolerance" itself is illogical. The term has come to mean anyone who disagree with liberalism to me. Hey , I am intolerant of rape and child molestation. Am I a intolerant person? No, good. Hey I disagree with homosexuality . Am I intolerant person ? according to a lot of liberals , yes. As for abortion, I believe we should avoid harming the innocent, and take responsibility for our actions. If you willfully have sex and get pregnant , then i think you should be responsible for bringing it in this world. It;' not like people aren't lining up to adopt newborns. They are, I personally know 4 couples that had to adopt out of the country becuase of the lack of newborns available in Amercia. If someone is raped, or their is a danger to the mothers life, then I understand getting a choice of abortion. It wasn't their choice in one scenario, and they are choosing between themselves and someone else's health in the other. That is actually the republican party's platform on abortion not the mistakenly quoted " they don't want women to be allowed to have an abortion even they are gonna die or are raped" that I have often seen reported . I am not a republican, I am an independent, and I think they are not stringent enough on the issue. Either way, all I ask is for people to take responsibility for their actions. I actually know a girl who was raped, and becuase she felt it would be creating a 2nd victim if she had an abortion, chose to have the child and give it up for adoption. Now I would not make that mandatory, from what I have seen working with youth (was a youth pastor for 5 years, and coach highschool sports) rape is seriously traumatic. The W's , Clintons, and anyone else that I think will tell you whatever they need to to get your vote, so they can do whatever they can get away with are the real danger to the American way of life IMO. Luckily our system of government limits the damage they can do. I would always rather have a Ronald Reagan or Jimmy Carter running for office. No matter what side of the fence you fall on , I think respect is due to them both. They told you what they were going to do , and did it, Now I think Carter screwed up the country, and Reagan was a hero who broke the soviet Union, but I have heard/had people I respect completely disagree with me wholeheartedly on which one of them was god/bad for the country. Still, they both told you what they were going to do, and stuck to it. Principal and Character matter most to me. I feel McCain has more of it than Obama. Disagree if you will, thats your right , but please don't insult my beliefs. I came to them over a long period of time , thought, debate, and study. I feel they are logical and right, and to call them lame when you really don't know them or their process is insulting. Thanks