Matchmaker Joe Silva explains why he released DaMarques Johnson from UFC

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BuffaloDave
10/11/12 6:02:26PM
Silva then offered the fight to Johnson, through his manager Monte Cox. When Cox called Silva back to tell him Johnson agreed to take the fight at 170 pounds, Silva said he told Cox about the Attonito release and wanted him to tell Johnson what had just happened as well. Cox did just that.

Later that day, Silva saw Johnson at The Ultimate Fighter 17 tryouts in Las Vegas. He said he thanked Johnson for taking the fight but also noticed that he looked heavier than usual. A couple of hours later, Johnson told Silva that he weighed 210 pounds and didn't think he could make 170 pounds. Silva then offered him a 175-pound catch weight fight against Nelson, which both fighters agreed to.

At the Sept. 28 weigh-ins in England, Johnson ended up weighing 183 pounds, missing weight by 8 pounds. As a result, twenty percent of his purse was given to Nelson. Johnson lost the fight the next day and was released earlier this week.

"I thought it was incredibly unfair to Gunnar Nelson to fight someone that much larger than him," Silva said. "Johnson told me he could make the weight. He's not doing me a favor if he missed weight because I could have gotten someone else who would have made the weight.

"I never pressure anyone to take late notice fights. I got a bunch of guys who want to fight. If one says no, I will find someone else. No problem."

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Twenty20Dollars
10/11/12 6:26:17PM
Rich got released? That seems crappy.
emfleek
10/11/12 6:45:16PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Rich got released? That seems crappy.



He dicked them around for a few straight days when they could've been looking for a different replacement. I don't think it's crappy at all, personally.
Twenty20Dollars
10/11/12 8:02:29PM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Rich got released? That seems crappy.



He dicked them around for a few straight days when they could've been looking for a different replacement. I don't think it's crappy at all, personally.



But, weight cutting on short notice can't be easy.
BuffaloDave
10/11/12 8:18:43PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars


Posted by emfleek


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Rich got released? That seems crappy.



He dicked them around for a few straight days when they could've been looking for a different replacement. I don't think it's crappy at all, personally.



But, weight cutting on short notice can't be easy.



I agree with Fleek, I mean it's not that hard to jump on a scale and see how much you weigh, to give a honest answer if you can make weight or not.
prozacnation1978
10/11/12 8:36:14PM
Demarcus has stepped up on more than one occasion to take a fight. They should have over looked the loss.

I do think the missed weight did hurt. He was facing nelson he was a huge underdog. I hope he goes to bellator
Bubbles
10/11/12 8:41:16PM
Johnson will win 2-3 fights outside the promotion and be brought back. I almost forgot all about Attonito. He hasn't fought since December. IMO either guy should have fought Papy Abedi before getting their walking papers. That would have been a fun fight to watch
NE-1
10/11/12 10:09:12PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Rich got released? That seems crappy.



I Agree. I don't like that decision at all. The guy was trying to step in and do a favor and 2 days later realized he wasn't gonna make it and told them.

If I was under contract with the UFC I would tell them no. It obviously isn't in your best interest to go out on a limb and try to help them. Here you have 2 different guys who tried and they released both of them. My opinion of Joe Silva has gone down the toilet on this one.
Twenty20Dollars
10/11/12 11:35:10PM

Posted by NE-1


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Rich got released? That seems crappy.



I Agree. I don't like that decision at all. The guy was trying to step in and do a favor and 2 days later realized he wasn't gonna make it and told them.

If I was under contract with the UFC I would tell them no. It obviously isn't in your best interest to go out on a limb and try to help them. Here you have 2 different guys who tried and they released both of them. My opinion of Joe Silva has gone down the toilet on this one.



Also having to travel overseas. I get that Joe was probably angry and probably angry overall with all the injuries. But, I wouldn't cut Rich in that situation.
jae_1833
10/12/12 1:46:06AM
I don't feel that bad about the weight cutting issue as I am not an elite athlete and I cut from 226 down to 204 in only 36 hours last week. I dont spend 6 hours a day in a gyme excercising and training on how to whoop a guys ass and I havent been on a wrestling squad with coaches etc in years. Weight needs to never be an issue for professional athletes unless they are suffering from a lower body injury. If they are then they shouldnt accept the match to begin with.
On the flip side if he had made weight then the fact that he stepped up the way he did should have gotten him a pass on the loss, but another notch down in the rankings could not be avoided.
Bythar
10/12/12 4:38:02AM
"I never pressure anyone to take late notice fights. I got a bunch of guys who want to fight. If one says no, I will find someone else. No problem."

Looks like this didn't apply to Rich. He wanted to take the fight on short notice, turns out he couldn't make it, lets them know, and is cut. That doesn't add up to the quote from Silva here. Disagree with this decision.

Agreed on the DaMarques front though.
941_Florida_Boy
10/12/12 11:29:20AM
I have mixed feelings about this topic.

#1 - when you have an "important" figure like Joe Silva asking you to take a fight on short notice - how do you NOT feel pressured?

#2 - if you know you can't make weight - be honest about it EARLY enough that the "powers that be" can try to find a solution in a reasonable amount of time

#3 - I'm against ANYONE being cut without 3-4 straight loses with having a FULL training camp behind them

I realize my opinion on this is an ill-fated event that will fall on deaf ears more than likely...

I just think there are exciting fighters that put on great performances and for one reason or another are "forced" out of the UFC largely due to the ever-growing/expanding roster of fighters within the promotion...

Just my opinion... but I would still like to see people like Rich Clementi, Arlovski, John Alessio, Jason Miller, War Machine, Luigi Fioravanti, Pete Spratt, Luke Cummo, Tamdan McCrory, Dustin Hazelett, Josh Burkman, Tyson Griffin, Mike Brown, Leonard Garcia, and even Jens Pulver & Gomi to name a FEW...

maybe not all of these fighters have been officially "cut" as of yet and for that I apologize - my point is that even though they may not be "TOP TEN" or even "TOP 30" guys - I still enjoy the performances they put on & would love to see them continue to compete inside the Octagon...

BigBadAl
10/12/12 3:12:27PM

Posted by Bythar

"I never pressure anyone to take late notice fights. I got a bunch of guys who want to fight. If one says no, I will find someone else. No problem."

Looks like this didn't apply to Rich. He wanted to take the fight on short notice, turns out he couldn't make it, lets them know, and is cut. That doesn't add up to the quote from Silva here. Disagree with this decision.

Agreed on the DaMarques front though.



If he has 'a bunch of guy's' why did the Jones fight get cancelled after Sonnen was turned down?
Bythar
10/12/12 6:40:43PM

Posted by BigBadAl


Posted by Bythar

"I never pressure anyone to take late notice fights. I got a bunch of guys who want to fight. If one says no, I will find someone else. No problem."

Looks like this didn't apply to Rich. He wanted to take the fight on short notice, turns out he couldn't make it, lets them know, and is cut. That doesn't add up to the quote from Silva here. Disagree with this decision.

Agreed on the DaMarques front though.



If he has 'a bunch of guy's' why did the Jones fight get cancelled after Sonnen was turned down?



Indeed.
frizzzlecake
10/12/12 11:37:52PM
Scumbag Joe Silva, Cut's Rich for being honest, then cut's DaMarques for being a replacement and not being honest.


I always liked Rich too ever since TuF.
NE-1
10/13/12 12:11:27AM

Posted by jae_1833

I don't feel that bad about the weight cutting issue as I am not an elite athlete and I cut from 226 down to 204 in only 36 hours last week. I dont spend 6 hours a day in a gyme excercising and training on how to whoop a guys ass and I havent been on a wrestling squad with coaches etc in years. Weight needs to never be an issue for professional athletes unless they are suffering from a lower body injury. If they are then they shouldnt accept the match to begin with.
On the flip side if he had made weight then the fact that he stepped up the way he did should have gotten him a pass on the loss, but another notch down in the rankings could not be avoided.



I'd love to know: what you cut 22 lbs for, how much recovery time post weigh-in you had, and how you felt physically while performing?

The most I ever cut was roughly the same amount of weight you cut in roughly the same amount of time, I felt awful and gassed out in about 5 minutes. After that I never shed more than 15lbs within 24 hours of weighing in