hippysmacker
10/17/07 3:43:48AM
Posted by Adam_Buru
Minotauro or Gonzaga would submit him in under 5 minutes!
I completely agree. While Hunt seems improved on the ground , I think any large HVY with decent subskills / takedowns will sub him inside 2 rounds. Hunts rep was made by beating smaller kickboxers( Cro-cop /Wandy) in MMA IMO. I think any well rounded HVY, especially a bigger one with ground skills would dominate him, the same way Barnett did.
warglory
10/17/07 12:10:24PM
Posted by hippysmacker
Posted by Adam_Buru
Minotauro or Gonzaga would submit him in under 5 minutes!
I completely agree. While Hunt seems improved on the ground , I think any large HVY with decent subskills / takedowns will sub him inside 2 rounds. Hunts rep was made by beating smaller kickboxers( Cro-cop /Wandy) in MMA IMO. I think any well rounded HVY, especially a bigger one with ground skills would dominate him, the same way Barnett did.
Yeah but how many heavyweights in the UFC are as well rounded as Barnett and Fedor? Both of them are arguably top 5 heavyweights. On top of that, how many are bigger than Hunt? Gonzaga and Big Nog are the only ones that come to mind and like I said earlier, I think with a focused training regimen on sprawling, it would be very difficult to take down a stocky man like Hunt.
Adam_Buru
10/17/07 1:44:30PM
Posted by warglory
Posted by hippysmacker
Posted by Adam_Buru
Minotauro or Gonzaga would submit him in under 5 minutes!
I completely agree. While Hunt seems improved on the ground , I think any large HVY with decent subskills / takedowns will sub him inside 2 rounds. Hunts rep was made by beating smaller kickboxers( Cro-cop /Wandy) in MMA IMO. I think any well rounded HVY, especially a bigger one with ground skills would dominate him, the same way Barnett did.
Yeah but how many heavyweights in the UFC are as well rounded as Barnett and Fedor? Both of them are arguably top 5 heavyweights. On top of that, how many are bigger than Hunt? Gonzaga and Big Nog are the only ones that come to mind and like I said earlier, I think with a focused training regimen on sprawling, it would be very difficult to take down a stocky man like Hunt.
Ahh yes, but BJJ black belts like Minotauro, Gonzaga and Werdum all work well off their backs, so sprawling isn't gonna matter too much.
Hunt should get himself over to BTT or Gracie Jiu Jitsu, develop a fierce ground game, go for a jog and lose a few pounds, then I'll give him a decent shot against the sub specialists of the UFC.
Mastodon2
10/17/07 2:06:51PM
Posted by hippysmacker
I completely agree. While Hunt seems improved on the ground , I think any large HVY with decent subskills / takedowns will sub him inside 2 rounds. Hunts rep was made by beating smaller kickboxers( Cro-cop /Wandy) in MMA IMO.
Hunt's rep was made beating top notch competition in K-1 and becoming a K-1 GP winner, the most highly regarded accolade in striking. Obviously he is never going to be a natural ground fighter, but he isn't a natural kickboxer either, his physique does not allow for him to be the quickest or most nimble fighter, and he started fighting relatively late, only getting in on it after a bouncer saw him fight in the street, and to still become a GP champion is something deserving respect and admiration. He has the heart of a lion, and he carries that into MMA, even when he is fighting out of his element.
zephead
10/17/07 2:42:56PM
Posted by Mastodon2
Posted by tuvok500
well, greatest ufc champ in history !!!! well, i have to disagree man !!
i see, gonzaga , nog, sylvia, AA, and even kongo being able to beat him.
i will not argue that he is a big guy and very strong too, but , i think that the conditionning of the ufc fighters is a little too much for him.
i also think that the supposely REBORN crocop will be able to beat him .
sorry man LOL
Hmm, ok Gonzaga, Nogueira and AA have the submissions to beat Hunt, but lets not forget, Fedor had trouble on the ground submitting Hunt. But I've got to ask, what does Kongo have that could possibly beat Hunt? Hunt is a K-1 champ, Kongo got outstruck by Yvel, who is a decent, if a little sloppy at striking, and got taken down at will by Yvel, who isn't exactly a top notch wrestler. Yvel was nowhere near a top competitor in K-1, Hunt was. Hunt would destroy Kongo at the standup.
Let's look at the guys Hunt has beaten that are better strikers than Kongo;
Stefan Leko (twice)
Mike Bernardo
Francisco Filho
Jerome Le Banner
Cro Cop
He also had a very close fight with Ray Sefo, who is a top 10 striker.
aswell as a long list of guys who are still better than Hoost but are names you would probably not recognise.
As for saying the conditioning of UFC fighters would be too much, are you kidding me? Hunt fought and beat Leko, Le Bannner and Filho all in one night!
Did he beat them in MMA where he had to defend takedowns?? Worry about the clinch game and not be seperated?? Worry about submissions?? Head stomps. Knees while on the ground??? Kickboxing and MMA are two different animals
warglory
10/17/07 4:29:03PM
I think he was just commenting on Hunt's ability as a striker. We all know there is more to MMA than just striking, but Hunt is a threat because he can strike.
Posted by warglory
I think he was just commenting on Hunt's ability as a striker. We all know there is more to MMA than just striking, but Hunt is a threat because he can strike.
All to often we have seen the best strikers get laid out because they were mediocre in every other aspect. Hunt is absolutely mediocre in his ground game mainly because he has relied on his weight to give him an advantage in Pride. In the UFC he won't have that advantage because he will need to make weight. Someone big like Hunt who cuts too much weight is going to be in bad shape when the fight comes around.
The only person I think he would give trouble is Kongo and that's because Kongo's offensive ground game is nearly non-existent.
Mastodon2
10/18/07 6:52:07AM
Posted by nubby
Hunt is absolutely mediocre in his ground game mainly because he has relied on his weight to give him an advantage in Pride. In the UFC he won't have that advantage because he will need to make weight. Someone big like Hunt who cuts too much weight is going to be in bad shape when the fight comes around.
You obviously don't know much at all about Hunt, he fought in K-1 weighing in around the 260 mark and he didn't even have to cut weight there since he was in their unlimited HW division. He has been that low before, he can do it again.
nubby
10/18/07 10:33:43AM
Posted by Mastodon2
Posted by nubby
Hunt is absolutely mediocre in his ground game mainly because he has relied on his weight to give him an advantage in Pride. In the UFC he won't have that advantage because he will need to make weight. Someone big like Hunt who cuts too much weight is going to be in bad shape when the fight comes around.
You obviously don't know much at all about Hunt, he fought in K-1 weighing in around the 260 mark and he didn't even have to cut weight there since he was in their unlimited HW division. He has been that low before, he can do it again.
It gets harder as you get older, how old is Hunt?
You are correct about me not knowing much about his K-1 days, but honestly I don't care either because this isn't K-1.
Mastodon2
10/18/07 12:51:54PM
Hunt is 33.
As for not "caring " about his K-1 days, maybe before you go commenting on a fighter you should try to learn his background, even if you don't "care" about K-1, learning his background would make you more credible on the matter.
While I'm always the first to say that K-1 fighters generally shouldnt fight MMA, and MMA fighters definitely shouldn't fight K-1, there are certain transferable skills. Hunt has awesome kickboxing, espescially given his size, and can obviously achieve good levels of cardio.
While K-1 fighters can bring their skills to the MMA arena, they are somewhat diminished by the takedowns, cage walls etc, and they generally don't have a grappling background, which makes them weaker in the long run. MMA fighters could bring their relatively poor striking to the K-1 ring, but their grappling would count for nothing, hence why there are more guys going to MMA from K-1, and less going in the other direction.
cmill21
10/18/07 6:50:43PM
I think K-1 fighters would have a harder time transfering from K-1 to the UFC then they did from K-1 to pride, but no one will ever convince me Kongo, or AA would dominate Hunt on his feet because thats rediculous.