The man who could dethrone St.Peirre

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Pookie
5/26/11 2:42:41PM

Posted by postman


Posted by tattflash


Posted by postman


Posted by tattflash

Do we really need another wrestler in an already stacked lay and pray division ??
its bad enough with GSP, Kos, Fitch and the overrated Shields without having another fighter who likes to lie on top and control the entire fight

I

Overrated Shields? Everyone said he had no shot with GSP yet he was the first fighter to take a round from him since Serra knocked him out. Maybe you have a different definition of overrated.



He is overrated in my opinion,( To which i am entitled) he would not of won that round had he not poked GSP in the eye at least twice, He came to the UFC as Dana Whites world beater and in all honsety i think he would struggle against the likes of BJ, Fitch, Condit to name a few like he struggled to beat Kampmann



Didn't he beat Condit already?



yup, on the same night he beat Okami.
Cooler
5/26/11 3:24:07PM
Nick Diaz, but Dana is afraid of that so he isnt making it happen, like the Anderson fight.

Anderson even offered to move down to 170...
emfleek
5/26/11 3:50:58PM

Posted by Cooler

Anderson even offered to move down to 170...



I don't recall ever hearing or reading that. Source?
ajp10k
5/26/11 5:37:54PM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by Cooler

Anderson even offered to move down to 170...



I don't recall ever hearing or reading that. Source?



I herd that aswell but idk if its true.

I really don't want to see that fight, A.Silva works well at 185 and gsp works well at 170, i dont think they would perform nearly as well out of there comfort zone. Yea I do know Silva did fight 170 before but there is a reason why he is now a 185 pounder that fought some 205 bouts.
Pookie
5/26/11 6:54:02PM
I dont have the source, but i saw that report when it came out.
postman
5/26/11 9:09:48PM

Posted by Pookie


Posted by postman


Posted by tattflash


Posted by postman


Posted by tattflash

Do we really need another wrestler in an already stacked lay and pray division ??
its bad enough with GSP, Kos, Fitch and the overrated Shields without having another fighter who likes to lie on top and control the entire fight

I

Overrated Shields? Everyone said he had no shot with GSP yet he was the first fighter to take a round from him since Serra knocked him out. Maybe you have a different definition of overrated.



He is overrated in my opinion,( To which i am entitled) he would not of won that round had he not poked GSP in the eye at least twice, He came to the UFC as Dana Whites world beater and in all honsety i think he would struggle against the likes of BJ, Fitch, Condit to name a few like he struggled to beat Kampmann



Didn't he beat Condit already?



yup, on the same night he beat Okami.



Hes right though everyone is entitled to their opinion........even if it wrong.
Cooler
5/27/11 12:16:50AM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by Cooler

Anderson even offered to move down to 170...



I don't recall ever hearing or reading that. Source?



This is the first one I found.

Link
ajp10k
5/27/11 8:58:53PM

Posted by Cooler


Posted by emfleek


Posted by Cooler

Anderson even offered to move down to 170...



I don't recall ever hearing or reading that. Source?



This is the first one I found.

Link



Good find. I wonder how silva would look throwing all that weight off.
Pookie
5/29/11 10:05:06PM
He's came into MW title fights as low as 181 before. He's probably not cutting any water weight to fight at MW.

At 170 i'd expect him to be faster, & more devastating, but gas quicker since cutting water always hinders Cardio to at least some degree.
JustizzleFoShizzle
5/30/11 12:09:13AM
No one at 170 pounds stands out to beat GSP because all the stand up specialist ( like Hardy, Alves, ect.) can't handle the ground attack of GSP and all the guys with excellent grappling (like Fitch, Sheilds, Koscheck ect) can't hang with GSP on the feet. To me it's like whatever the guy is good at, he doesn't do. It's like going to someone's house with a checker board and then you get there and all of a sudden you're playing chess....and you suck at chess
ajp10k
5/30/11 12:18:32AM

Posted by JustizzleFoShizzle

No one at 170 pounds stands out to beat GSP because all the stand up specialist ( like Hardy, Alves, ect.) can't handle the ground attack of GSP and all the guys with excellent grappling (like Fitch, Sheilds, Koscheck ect) can't hang with GSP on the feet. To me it's like whatever the guy is good at, he doesn't do. It's like going to someone's house with a checker board and then you get there and all of a sudden you're playing chess....and you suck at chess



If silva went welter he could beat gsp. He has better boxing, muay thai, and bigger then gsp. gsp usally sets his tds with combos and getting in on the inside, that would be extremely tough to do because of silva's level of striking. He strikes alot better then anyone gsp has ever faced.
Jekyll
5/30/11 3:48:47AM

Posted by ajp10k


Posted by JustizzleFoShizzle

No one at 170 pounds stands out to beat GSP because all the stand up specialist ( like Hardy, Alves, ect.) can't handle the ground attack of GSP and all the guys with excellent grappling (like Fitch, Sheilds, Koscheck ect) can't hang with GSP on the feet. To me it's like whatever the guy is good at, he doesn't do. It's like going to someone's house with a checker board and then you get there and all of a sudden you're playing chess....and you suck at chess



If silva went welter he could beat gsp. He has better boxing, muay thai, and bigger then gsp. gsp usally sets his tds with combos and getting in on the inside, that would be extremely tough to do because of silva's level of striking. He strikes alot better then anyone gsp has ever faced.

but everyone with a brain knows Silva can't wrestle, look what sonnen did and GSP is 10 times better then Sonnen at everything
Pookie
5/30/11 4:10:22AM

Posted by Jekyll


Posted by ajp10k


Posted by JustizzleFoShizzle

No one at 170 pounds stands out to beat GSP because all the stand up specialist ( like Hardy, Alves, ect.) can't handle the ground attack of GSP and all the guys with excellent grappling (like Fitch, Sheilds, Koscheck ect) can't hang with GSP on the feet. To me it's like whatever the guy is good at, he doesn't do. It's like going to someone's house with a checker board and then you get there and all of a sudden you're playing chess....and you suck at chess



If silva went welter he could beat gsp. He has better boxing, muay thai, and bigger then gsp. gsp usally sets his tds with combos and getting in on the inside, that would be extremely tough to do because of silva's level of striking. He strikes alot better then anyone gsp has ever faced.

but everyone with a brain knows Silva can't wrestle, look what sonnen did and GSP is 10 times better then Sonnen at everything



Relative to weight, it can be argued that Gsp it 10 times better than Sonnen overall, though its a stretch.

BUT! Sonnen would outwrestle Gsp if the two ever fought. Make no mistake about it.
Jekyll
5/30/11 6:22:46AM

Posted by Pookie


Posted by Jekyll


Posted by ajp10k


Posted by JustizzleFoShizzle

No one at 170 pounds stands out to beat GSP because all the stand up specialist ( like Hardy, Alves, ect.) can't handle the ground attack of GSP and all the guys with excellent grappling (like Fitch, Sheilds, Koscheck ect) can't hang with GSP on the feet. To me it's like whatever the guy is good at, he doesn't do. It's like going to someone's house with a checker board and then you get there and all of a sudden you're playing chess....and you suck at chess



If silva went welter he could beat gsp. He has better boxing, muay thai, and bigger then gsp. gsp usally sets his tds with combos and getting in on the inside, that would be extremely tough to do because of silva's level of striking. He strikes alot better then anyone gsp has ever faced.

but everyone with a brain knows Silva can't wrestle, look what sonnen did and GSP is 10 times better then Sonnen at everything



Relative to weight, it can be argued that Gsp it 10 times better than Sonnen overall, though its a stretch.

BUT! Sonnen would outwrestle Gsp if the two ever fought. Make no mistake about it.

same was said before he fought Fitch and Kos and he tossed both around like they were little kids
ajp10k
5/30/11 3:28:11PM


BUT! Sonnen would outwrestle Gsp if the two ever fought. Make no mistake about it.



I agree. People always say "gsp takesdown rashad" sonnen is much better at wrestling then rashad. He is also big enough and has enough to knowledge as a olympic level wrestler to not let gsp take him dow. Askren could out wrestle both in a pure wrestling match though. Trust me, when he wrestled Herbert at midlands I was in shock.
ajp10k
5/30/11 3:31:25PM

same was said before he fought Fitch and Kos and he tossed both around like they were little kids


Sonnen is much bigger then them, also Kos did takedown gsp. Plus there wasnt that much wrestling is gsp vs fitch it was mostly gsp striking
Pookie
5/30/11 4:25:17PM

Posted by ajp10k



BUT! Sonnen would outwrestle Gsp if the two ever fought. Make no mistake about it.



I agree. People always say "gsp takesdown rashad" sonnen is much better at wrestling then rashad.



There's also a big difference between getting a takedown, and maintaining top control. There's no way he could keep Sonnen down.
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And the same was never said about Koscheck or Fitch.

Jekyll
5/31/11 3:02:18AM

Posted by Pookie


Posted by ajp10k



BUT! Sonnen would outwrestle Gsp if the two ever fought. Make no mistake about it.



I agree. People always say "gsp takesdown rashad" sonnen is much better at wrestling then rashad.



There's also a big difference between getting a takedown, and maintaining top control. There's no way he could keep Sonnen down.
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And the same was never said about Koscheck or Fitch.


again it was said that he wouldn't take Kos down or keep him down, in the first fight he proved both wrong when ever he felt like it

DeadHead988
5/31/11 3:40:50AM
Too many wrestlers in the welterweight division, to beat GSP you're gonna need something completely different. Kind of like how Machida's different style tore throught the LHWs for a while.
Jekyll
5/31/11 5:13:32AM

Posted by DeadHead988

Too many wrestlers in the welterweight division, to beat GSP you're gonna need something completely different. Kind of like how Machida's different style tore throught the LHWs for a while.

exactly.... you have to have better take down defense then anyone currently in MMA and have Anderson Silva level standup... and currently that person has not been invented yet and the closest to it is GSP


the only thing that will beat GSP is another Matt Serra thing, when he gets caught by the perfect punch and get the bejesuse knocked out of him to the point he cannot recover. However i do not know any WW with that kind of one hit power that could stay off his back long enough to hit him.


IMO the best matchup is Diaz, not because Diaz is so great but because hes so different, Diaz does not back up hes got a Roy Nelson type chin and sick BJJ. His weak point is he lacks takedown defense. GSP stoped everything BJ tried to do off his back but BJ is IMO too weak for WW. Diaz might be able to work something, or keep him at range with his stand up. No-one in the UFC fights like Diaz as well as Nick Diaz
free_style_52
6/3/11 11:22:36AM
The only person who will be able to defeat GSP is a truly well rounded fighter. Askern even said on an interview with Ariel Helwani that he needed to improve on his striking and it wasnt quite up to par. If any pure grappler was going to beat GSP it was Shields who had the best chance. Also Askern said that he had no interest fighting in the UFC and he would somehow become the best fighter in the world fighting in bellator, which kind of sounds like he doesnt truly want to go and fight the best.
ajp10k
6/3/11 2:20:09PM

Posted by free_style_52

The only person who will be able to defeat GSP is a truly well rounded fighter. Askern even said on an interview with Ariel Helwani that he needed to improve on his striking and it wasnt quite up to par. If any pure grappler was going to beat GSP it was Shields who had the best chance. Also Askern said that he had no interest fighting in the UFC and he would somehow become the best fighter in the world fighting in bellator, which kind of sounds like he doesnt truly want to go and fight the best.



Interesting. When did he say this?
Pookie
6/3/11 3:40:31PM

Posted by Jekyll


Posted by Pookie


Posted by ajp10k



BUT! Sonnen would outwrestle Gsp if the two ever fought. Make no mistake about it.



I agree. People always say "gsp takesdown rashad" sonnen is much better at wrestling then rashad.



There's also a big difference between getting a takedown, and maintaining top control. There's no way he could keep Sonnen down.
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And the same was never said about Koscheck or Fitch.


again it was said that he wouldn't take Kos down or keep him down, in the first fight he proved both wrong when ever he felt like it




Oh the first fight with Kos, you mean before he started wrestling anybody down?

Thats apples to oranges dude.
rockyf
6/5/11 3:26:57PM
The future of the WW division: Story, MacDonald, Hathaway..!!
free_style_52
6/5/11 3:59:28PM

Posted by ajp10k


Posted by free_style_52

The only person who will be able to defeat GSP is a truly well rounded fighter. Askern even said on an interview with Ariel Helwani that he needed to improve on his striking and it wasnt quite up to par. If any pure grappler was going to beat GSP it was Shields who had the best chance. Also Askern said that he had no interest fighting in the UFC and he would somehow become the best fighter in the world fighting in bellator, which kind of sounds like he doesnt truly want to go and fight the best.



Interesting. When did he say this?



He said it on the mma hour with ariel helwani last week.


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