Mac Danzig Wiman decision? Who won?

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40ouncetpkid
10/2/11 1:16:47AM
I feel Danzig won the first round with flurries 2nd with better moments and wiman barely squeezed out the 3rd. Scored it Danzig 29-28. Danzig took it to wiman! FIGHT OF THE YEAR most definitely. Just thought Danzig won.
KungFuMaster
10/2/11 1:20:11AM
I think the decision reflected Wiman's more punishing shots.
Kpro
10/2/11 1:26:13AM
Wiman pressed the fight and Danzig looked to counter.

That's how close fights get a winner. Don't be the counter-puncher in a close fight that goes to a decision.

Regardless of aggression and octagon control though, I still had Wiman 29-28. He was more effective with his strikes and landed more often.
Pookie
10/2/11 1:31:25AM
I really thought Danzig was going to win it.
Both the 1rst(Danzig), and 3rd(Wiman) were pretty clear cut to me.
The second could have gone either way, and i think i had it a 10-10.

Personally, i think Danzig's strikes early on were way more damaging than Wiman's elbows. The guy put in some mean body work. With lesser heart, Wiman might have crumbled.



FastKnockout
10/2/11 1:32:47AM
No where near FOTY, bro. lol
Chael_Sonnen
10/2/11 1:38:06AM

Posted by 40ouncetpkid

I feel Danzig won the first round with flurries 2nd with better moments and wiman barely squeezed out the 3rd. Scored it Danzig 29-28. Danzig took it to wiman! FIGHT OF THE YEAR most definitely. Just thought Danzig won.



FOTY

Danzig's nose told the story of who won the fight.
Twenty20Dollars
10/2/11 2:36:34AM
I had Wiman winning. It was FOTN but not FOTY.
TeamDEY
10/2/11 2:38:30AM
I honestly thought Danzig won 29-28 but it was not at ALL FOTY.... probably FOTN it was a great fight but no where close to the FOTY
prozacnation1978
10/2/11 12:21:46PM
I had wiman winning 29-28
It should be up there for ufc fight of the year
LesnarISjesusWITHnoBEARD
10/2/11 12:25:57PM
Did you see Danzig's face? I didn't think it could get any uglier. Wiman provedm e wrong.
kopower
10/2/11 12:44:46PM
Close fight. I could have seen it go either way. Wiman landed heavier shots with more damage, while Mac landed numerous flurries. Great fight. Mac surprised me quite a bit with his toughness, gas tank, and striking.
jae_1833
10/2/11 3:27:31PM
The only things I gave to Danzig was boxing flurries.....Wiman's clinch elbows were more effective IMO than Danzig's clinch uppercuts. Wiman was only in danger of being submitted once in the end. Wiman brought it too him with regards to judging criteria.....aggression control and effective grappling. Strikes were slightly in Danzigs favor during those pure boxing exchanges. I had two rounds to one for Wiman in both American and Japaneses judging criteria.
bjj1605
10/2/11 8:05:21PM
I scored it 30-27 for Danzig.

And that's not coming from bias. I both picked Winman and was rooting for him to win.

Danzig landed more effective shots throughout and controlled the majority of the grappling exchanges. I thought he was clearly in control of the fight. I also think (despite his face) that he landed the crisper more damaging shots.

This is an example of poor judging. Winman was moving forward while Danzig was countering. The fact is, the judges aren't educated enough to pick a winner in a close fight based off of skill, technique, control, and damage. Thats why when there is a close fight, the judges give the decision to the person who was 'doing the obvious.'

Therefore, while I felt according to a fair and objective criteria Danzig was the clear winner, I was not surprised by the decision. These judges can't surprise me anymore.

Edit: To anyone who argues that Winman was controlling the fight because he was moving forward: clearly you have no boxing experience.

Anyone who scored "octagon control" for Winman, in any round, needs to A) go to the nearest boxing gym B) ask to fight the best counter puncher, C) spend three rounds walking forward relentlessly and D) tell me who was in control.
Kpro
10/2/11 9:43:49PM

Posted by bjj1605

Anyone who scored "octagon control" for Winman, in any round,



Word for word in the MMA Judging Criteria, Octagon Control is:

"The fighter who is dictating the pace, place and position of the fight."

That sentence is open to each judges interpretation but most judges won't consider a counter-puncher to be dictating the pace, place, or position. They would consider the counter-punching more for the Effective Striking category in the judging criteria. That's just how the rule has come to be interpreted right or wrong.
ghandikush
10/2/11 9:55:23PM

Posted by Chael_Sonnen


Posted by 40ouncetpkid

I feel Danzig won the first round with flurries 2nd with better moments and wiman barely squeezed out the 3rd. Scored it Danzig 29-28. Danzig took it to wiman! FIGHT OF THE YEAR most definitely. Just thought Danzig won.



FOTY

Danzig's nose told the story of who won the fight.



Anderson's face was pretty unscathed after Chael but Chael had some marks.
jiujitsufreak74
10/3/11 12:11:49AM
fight could have gone ether way. the majority of the fight took place in the clinch and Mac was landing a lot of clean shots in the clinch while Wiman was landing a lot of vicious elbows. I had it a draw, leaning slightly toward Wiman. i wouldn't have been upset if either fighter won, but this does prove, like Kpro said, that in a close fight that goes to the judges it is always better to be the aggressor than the counter puncher.
Pookie
10/3/11 10:05:35AM

Posted by ghandikush


Posted by Chael_Sonnen


Posted by 40ouncetpkid

I feel Danzig won the first round with flurries 2nd with better moments and wiman barely squeezed out the 3rd. Scored it Danzig 29-28. Danzig took it to wiman! FIGHT OF THE YEAR most definitely. Just thought Danzig won.



FOTY

Danzig's nose told the story of who won the fight.



Anderson's face was pretty unscathed after Chael but Chael had some marks.




Anderson's face was swollen.
Kpro
10/3/11 5:28:29PM
I'm not posting this to prove anything one way or another but for those who may be interested:

They each had 2 takedowns and 1 submission attempt.

Wiman outlanded Danzig on power strikes all 3 rounds (40-31, 25-16, 28-19)
Danzig outlanded Wiman in total strikes all 3 rounds (79-48, 52-32, 62-39)

So Danzig was more active striking but Wiman was moving forward and striking with a lot more authority as the nose and hematoma on Danzigs forehead showed.

Depends what each person thinks wins a fight but neither should be ashamed of their performance. Great fight that the judges saw won by forward movement and more powerful striking.

Stats taken from FightMetric - Danzig/Wiman which if you don't already frequent FightMetric, I highly recommend it after every event.
UFC_Fanatic
10/3/11 5:48:06PM

Posted by Kpro


That's how close fights get a winner. Don't be the counter-puncher in a close fight that goes to a decision.




That pretty much sums it up perfectly. See Machida vs. Rampage for more proof of this. That's the way that fight was scored. Machida outstruck Rampage, but he was also constantly moving away and circling away from Rampage while Rampage just plodded forward. They saw Rampage earning it with Octagon control, and probably saw him landing the more powerful strikes, thus Rampage gets the win in a fight that a lot of people, including myself (and Rampage himself) felt Machida won.
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