Lyoto Machida willing to drop to middleweight 'if Dana White makes a good fight'
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Lyoto Machida willing to drop to middleweight 'if Dana White makes a good fight'
lohmann
8/4/12 4:05:09AM
The UFC on Fox 4: "Shogun vs. Vera" weigh-in event took place earlier today (Fri., Aug. 3, 2012) at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, California, and featured all 20 fighters scheduled to compete on tomorrow night's card successfully making weight without issue.
That's not the story, though. The story is just how far under the weight limit a certain fighter came in at.
I'm talking, of course, about Lyoto Machida, who will participant in the co-main event of the evening in a showdown against Ryan Bader. "The Dragon," looking like he's in phenomenal shape, tipped the scales at 201-pounds.
Immediately, there was speculation regarding why it would be that Machida would come in a full four pounds (five, technically) under the contracted limit. Ariel Helwani got the word from the man himself on FUEL TV:
"I always walk around at 205, 210 maximum. I don't worry about this. I keep my diet all year round."
Makes sense, I suppose. The next logical question is whether or not the Karate master is considering a drop to middleweight. His answer:
"Maybe, if Dana White makes a good fight and invites me, I will."
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That's not the story, though. The story is just how far under the weight limit a certain fighter came in at.
I'm talking, of course, about Lyoto Machida, who will participant in the co-main event of the evening in a showdown against Ryan Bader. "The Dragon," looking like he's in phenomenal shape, tipped the scales at 201-pounds.
Immediately, there was speculation regarding why it would be that Machida would come in a full four pounds (five, technically) under the contracted limit. Ariel Helwani got the word from the man himself on FUEL TV:
"I always walk around at 205, 210 maximum. I don't worry about this. I keep my diet all year round."
Makes sense, I suppose. The next logical question is whether or not the Karate master is considering a drop to middleweight. His answer:
"Maybe, if Dana White makes a good fight and invites me, I will."
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Poor_Franklin
8/4/12 4:28:37AM
some fun matchups & he'd make it quite easily
Pookie
8/4/12 5:03:51AM
While i think Weidman can give Anderson big trouble, i think Machida has a style that would destroy Weidman.
aussiemma
8/4/12 6:12:24AM
Posted by Pookie
While i think Weidman can give Anderson big trouble, i think Machida has a style that would destroy Weidman.
not being a dick but could you explain..are you saying that because machida destroyed rashad who has similiar mma wrestling to weidman ?
State_Champ
8/4/12 8:31:15AM
Posted by aussiemma
Posted by Pookie
While i think Weidman can give Anderson big trouble, i think Machida has a style that would destroy Weidman.
not being a dick but could you explain..are you saying that because machida destroyed rashad who has similiar mma wrestling to weidman ?
I can't be sure what, precisely, Pookie meant, but I agree that Machida has a good chance against Weidman.
Machida's defensive wrestling is really good, and his striking is accurate.
He did beat Rashad. He also beat Tito. Both known for their wrestling.
He also beat Randy, although Randy was old.
I think Machida would beat Weidman because Weidman would have difficulty taking Machida down, and Machida's striking is better than Weidmans, imo.
However, Machida is still a bit of a mystery to me since he has some fights where he starts way too slow and never really uses much aggression (such as the Rampage fight).
aussiemma
8/4/12 8:55:22AM
i agree about machida being a mystery...but weidman is scary good right now,i just couldn't picture him getting destroyed by anyone let alone machida.
infestructure
8/4/12 10:12:12AM
Posted by aussiemma
i agree about machida being a mystery...but weidman is scary good right now,i just couldn't picture him getting destroyed by anyone let alone machida.
Damn I wanted to quote and reply to almost everyone in this thread. I don't know how so I'll just give a
to Pookie for what he said, and reply to Aussiemma. Machida has always been a mystery, but that's what makes him a draw. Hes beaten Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture, Rashad Evans, Stephen Bonnar, Thiago Silva, Sam Greco, Rameu Thierry Soukoudjou and Michael McDonald and he nearly beat Jon Jones in the stand up before he got choked out. All I'm saying is I wouldn't count Lyoto out. The guy drinks his own piss. I'm drunk as fuck. Goodnight.He beat Rampage too.
Theoutlaw08
8/4/12 11:17:52AM
There is no doubt he is a solid fighter. I could see him doing well at 185.
iwannabesedated
8/4/12 11:28:55AM
Some interesting fights at 185 for sure,But if Davis and Machida both win tonight,I'd like to see them fight first at 205.I think they were rumored to fight before ?.Machida does have solid TDD but i think Davis and Weidman for that matter could get him on his back.
Machida Vs Bisping,Could end like Hendo Bisping,I'd be ok with that,Nah i don't mind Bisping he plays the role well,But seems like a pretty decent dude.
Machida Vs Bisping,Could end like Hendo Bisping,I'd be ok with that,Nah i don't mind Bisping he plays the role well,But seems like a pretty decent dude.
sparky
8/4/12 11:59:12AM
I'm curious to know what Machida considers a good fight for him at MW.
Manak
8/4/12 12:20:40PM
Posted by sparky
I'm curious to know what Machida considers a good fight for him at MW.
Anderson Silva money
iwannabesedated
8/4/12 12:55:19PM
Machida Vs Chael,I know Chael talked some shit on him awhile back "that karate guy".
george112
8/4/12 1:01:06PM
the only way machida beats weidman is by UD.
and honestly I can't see that happening. His elusive countering has been figured out. He is still a damn good fighter and I am a fan but just don't see him being THAT competitive at mw
and honestly I can't see that happening. His elusive countering has been figured out. He is still a damn good fighter and I am a fan but just don't see him being THAT competitive at mw
airkerma
8/4/12 1:02:16PM
Posted by Manak
Posted by sparky
I'm curious to know what Machida considers a good fight for him at MW.
Anderson Silva money
100% what I was thinking, as I can't imagine him fighting for the title against Anderson.
Chael_Sonnen
8/4/12 1:25:24PM
Let's go piss boy, bring your C-game.
sbulldavid
8/4/12 1:41:58PM
That Vitor Belfort/Lyoto Machida fight is coming soon at 195 just wait.....or possibly the long awaited Rich Franklin/Lyoto Machida 2 also at 195
prophecy033
8/4/12 2:44:40PM
This
Posted by iwannabesedated
Machida Vs Chael,I know Chael talked some shit on him awhile back "that karate guy".
lets get Chael and Lyoto in the cage together and see who takes it. Chael was talking bad about Lyoto and Lyoto wants an interesting fight. Look no further, there is one in Chael
FastKnockout
8/4/12 2:47:05PM
PLEASE set up Machida vs. Le! 
Lungsofsteel
8/4/12 3:59:39PM
Silva whined when Wandy moved to MW lol. Its cool now cause Anderson knows he is at the end of his career. But Machida would be a contender at MW.
Pookie
8/4/12 5:29:28PM
I wouldnt pick a right handed fighter to have much success taking Machida down. Anderson and Machida are both southpaws that use distance to boost their TDD, and Anderson with his sub-par wrestling still stuffs 90% of orthodox fighters shoot-ins. Orthodox fighters have an increased distance between the hips of their opponent when they fight southpaws. Machida has great TDD on top of the distance he puts between his him and his opponent. It's going to take a Jon Jones or a Southpaw to get anywhere near taking Machida down. Weidman can't do it.
meier
8/4/12 11:35:40PM
Bisping
bjj1605
8/5/12 5:53:23PM
I'm not sure how Machida would do with the cut.
When guys aren't used to cutting weight (as Machida clearly isn't) they can be really slow and low-energy at a lighter weight.
If Machida did make the cut well I think he beats anyone at MW other than Anderson Silva.
Weidman would have little to no chance IMO. I don't see him taking Machida down (or even really getting close enough to try) and Machida would make him look like an amateur on the feet.
I see basically the same thing happening with Chael Sonnen.
Anderson Silva vs Lyoto Machida is one of my ultimate dream match-ups in MMA. Unfortunately, it will never happen. Neither guy wants to fight the other.
I think Machida is the most talented and skilled fighter in the LHW division. Unfortunately he has to deal with Jon Jones who is nearly as skilled but way more physically gifted. I'd give Machida decent odds in the rematch but ultimately I don't think he's gonna be the one to beat Bones....he's just to small.
When guys aren't used to cutting weight (as Machida clearly isn't) they can be really slow and low-energy at a lighter weight.
If Machida did make the cut well I think he beats anyone at MW other than Anderson Silva.
Weidman would have little to no chance IMO. I don't see him taking Machida down (or even really getting close enough to try) and Machida would make him look like an amateur on the feet.
I see basically the same thing happening with Chael Sonnen.
Anderson Silva vs Lyoto Machida is one of my ultimate dream match-ups in MMA. Unfortunately, it will never happen. Neither guy wants to fight the other.
I think Machida is the most talented and skilled fighter in the LHW division. Unfortunately he has to deal with Jon Jones who is nearly as skilled but way more physically gifted. I'd give Machida decent odds in the rematch but ultimately I don't think he's gonna be the one to beat Bones....he's just to small.
187
8/5/12 9:27:09PM
Posted by Manak
Posted by sparky
I'm curious to know what Machida considers a good fight for him at MW.
Anderson Silva money
lll-lll
8/5/12 9:43:04PM
I have to agree that Machida woudl kill Weidman. That style of fighter has been exactly the style that Machida dominates. Thiago Silva, Bader, and Rashad all got dominated by Machida. Weidman has looked good, and I think that he MIGHT give Anderson issues, but he couldnt strike with machida and his takedowns wouldnt work any better than the three guys I just mentioned. He would end up on the wrong end of an a$$ kicking like they did.
BigBadAl
8/6/12 10:45:05AM
Weidman's on a bit of a tear and looks a real prospect but how anyone can confidently say he would beat Machida I don't know. All aboard the hype train whoooowhoooo.
hymiekooken
8/6/12 11:55:37AM
i really don't see any MW giving Machida too many problems, except Anderson, and since they dont wanna fight, well, even if they dont want to, if he goes to 185 and uncle Dana wants it to happen, it will happen.......
bjj1605
8/6/12 7:22:19PM
Posted by hymiekooken
i really don't see any MW giving Machida too many problems, except Anderson, and since they dont wanna fight, well, even if they dont want to, if he goes to 185 and uncle Dana wants it to happen, it will happen.......
Agreed with you till your last comment.
"Uncle Dana" can't force them to take a fight that they don't want to. It's not like either guy would have to worry about getting cut. The MMA community would overwhelmingly support them in such a situation and they could likely win in court as well.