Lyoto Machida Vs. Rampage Jackson at UFC 123

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Bloodhound
7/23/10 6:23:45PM
Former light heavyweight champions Lyoto Machida and Quinton "Rampage" Jackson are expected to meet at an as of yet unannounced event in the fall, possibly in November.

The fight was confirmed to MMAWeekly.com as being in the works by sources close to the bout, and Jackson himself posted on his Twitter account that he was issued a bout agreement for a fight and was about to sign it late Tuesday evening.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/7/21/1579826/report-lyoto-machida-to-face
seanfu
7/23/10 7:05:19PM
Thank you so so so so much Joe Silva. Lyoto will impress this time by easily dispatching, or frustrating the hell out of Rampage. 19 out of 20 times Lyoto dominates this fight.

Does anyone think Rampage has a chance here? and why if so?
Bloodhound
7/23/10 7:14:49PM
^^ I think Lyoto will probably win by decision but Rampage definetly has a chance.

if Rampage sits back and trys to counter like he usually does Lyoto will pick him apart unless Rampage lands that big punch, If Rampage goes back to mixing it up and using his wrestling to take Lyoto down and when both are standing Rampage needs to cut the cage by circling Lyoto near the cage and then get aggresive and throw the hands or push Lyoto up on the cage. The question is though will Rampage go back and use his wrestling and even though it would be great for Rampage to mix up his striking & wrestling I don't think he will.
prozacnation1978
7/23/10 8:03:24PM
Should be main event, super fight. With this. Curious to see who forrest griffin fights now, ufc may be waiting for jones_matshuyenko winner
RyanC
7/23/10 8:15:12PM

Posted by seanfu

Thank you so so so so much Joe Silva. Lyoto will impress this time by easily dispatching, or frustrating the hell out of Rampage. 19 out of 20 times Lyoto dominates this fight.

Does anyone think Rampage has a chance here? and why if so?



I'd rather know why you think Rampage has no chance? He's probably one of the best LHW fighters of all time, and you think he has no chance. That is more curious to me than thinking Rampage has a chance. I'd put this at near even odds or slightly favoring Machida.

I'll be looking foward to this fight because I think it's an interesting matchup, and I really think either one of these guys could end up with their hand raised.
jlock003
7/23/10 8:32:48PM
Rampage can definitely win this fight. The guy hits harder than anybody int he division and has the best chin on the planet...well Mike Russow might be in the mix too. Nonetheless if Rampage can catch Lyoto with one then he can do some serious damage. I felt like he could have/should have finished Rashad when he had him hurt but was throwing a ton of iladvised shots and not targeting any particular area on the chin. I think the ring rust will be gone, he won't be nearly as out of shape as the last fight (I realize he said he was in great shape, but that is just way too much weight to get off in too short a period of time and it showed), and I feel like he will be more aggressive. Now, all that being said Lyoto will be more tactical than ever before and 100%. He didn't reinjure the hand in the last fight so he should be confident enough to throw it and I see him jumping in and out all night. This fight has the makings of Rampage vs. Forrest 2 just with less action, but it also has the potential to be explosive so we will see.
Taylor8766
7/23/10 8:43:55PM
This fight has decision written all over it, Lyoto will most likely win this fight by picking apart Jackson, however I could see Rampage winning this fight by using his aggressive style and landing some big shots.
sbulldavid
7/23/10 9:09:14PM
Rampage is one of the all time great counter punchers, as long as he comes into this fight in reasonable shape, he should walk through anything Machida has to offer and land those big counters. I actually think that it's a bad match-up for Machida, I expect Rampage to sit and counter Machida, Machida is going to have to win this fight with his knees if he wants to win, because he is going to have to hurt Rampage because dipping in and out with cute combos won't work on Rampage. I like Rampage by late first round KO.
Bowen50
7/23/10 9:21:22PM
Machida could decision Rampage but i'm leaning towards a KO for Rampage. 15 minutes is a long time for Machida to be dodging Rampage's hands. All Rampage has to do is connect once and this fight is over.
TheGodfather1024
7/23/10 10:33:18PM
i really want to see this fight but not right now....i hate to see fights where if one fighter loses then it really hurts them and possibly career ending....if machida loses he will retire and if rampage loses no telling of what he'll do
wilsybhoy
7/23/10 11:05:30PM
i was waiting to hear from all the yanks oh rampage wont win cause he trains at wolfslair bla bla. at the end of the day he should be able to use all his know how and ko machida. at the end of the day he should have finished rashad. and all his other loses he was unlucky. war rampage
Cdellorso
7/23/10 11:33:30PM
Machida will retire if he loses?? doubt it...
chickmagnet
7/23/10 11:36:59PM
Machida...no doubt
Pookie
7/24/10 3:27:33AM
I can see Rampage winning by throwing an accurate counter if Machida starts throwing in volume.
telnights
7/24/10 3:07:16PM
If Machida sticks to his style then he should win fairly easy with speed and strikes from the outside. If he starts trading like he did with Shogun and Rashad he could get knocked out again.
seanfu
7/24/10 4:39:34PM

Posted by RyanC


Posted by seanfu

Thank you so so so so much Joe Silva. Lyoto will impress this time by easily dispatching, or frustrating the hell out of Rampage. 19 out of 20 times Lyoto dominates this fight.

Does anyone think Rampage has a chance here? and why if so?



I'd rather know why you think Rampage has no chance? He's probably one of the best LHW fighters of all time, and you think he has no chance. That is more curious to me than thinking Rampage has a chance. I'd put this at near even odds or slightly favoring Machida.

I'll be looking foward to this fight because I think it's an interesting matchup, and I really think either one of these guys could end up with their hand raised.



I'm really surprised everyone thinks he does.

Lyoto will be too fast and elusive for rampage to counter, and to fast and elusive for Rampage to aggressively hit.

You remember how Rampage fell apart when Forrest used his speed to win and wouldn't exchange? well think about Rampage not being able to get anywhere near Machida with any of his shots... don't you think Lyoto is at least a notch up from Forrest and at least 2 notches up with his striking?

Lyoto has never really been touched aside from leg kicks and the one killer shot from Shogun. Rampage is nowhere near Shoguns striking level.

Am I wrong?
sbulldavid
7/24/10 7:51:32PM
Forrest Griffin gives a lot of guys fits, let's not forget he beat Shogun around that time it might not have been the Shogun that Machida fought, but it was a solid win. Forrest is a tall dude that causes a huge match up problem for a lot of guys at 205, he has a long reach and solid leg kicks, very good BJJ, I don't really remember the part where Rampage fell apart, because I was slightly surprised that Forrest was awarded the decision. I'm not going to argue against the obvious problems that Machida represents, but I'm not so sure that Shogun didn't break Machida in that first fight.
whardin19
7/25/10 12:02:37PM
I'm actually surprised that this is the matchup Rampage signed. He was talking that he didn't want to fight Machida because he was boring. Was figuring he'd get a rematch with a returning Forrest Griffin.

As for the match I see Machida using his counter striking in this fight while Rampage tries to cut the ring into half to stop him. I actually see this fight turning out like the Tito Ortiz/Machida fight. Although I think Rampage has better striking/power than Tito. So I see him chasing Machida down all fight and finally catching him in the 2nd for the TKO.
seanfu
7/25/10 1:51:04PM

Posted by whardin19

I'm actually surprised that this is the matchup Rampage signed. He was talking that he didn't want to fight Machida because he was boring. Was figuring he'd get a rematch with a returning Forrest Griffin.

As for the match I see Machida using his counter striking in this fight while Rampage tries to cut the ring into half to stop him. I actually see this fight turning out like the Tito Ortiz/Machida fight. Although I think Rampage has better striking/power than Tito. So I see him chasing Machida down all fight and finally catching him in the 2nd for the TKO.



Thiago Silva has as much power as Rampage and probably one of the toughest chins in the division and he chased Machida for 1 round before getting knocked unconscious. The same will happen if Rampage chases I think.
Pookie
7/25/10 11:30:24PM

Posted by seanfu


Posted by whardin19

I'm actually surprised that this is the matchup Rampage signed. He was talking that he didn't want to fight Machida because he was boring. Was figuring he'd get a rematch with a returning Forrest Griffin.

As for the match I see Machida using his counter striking in this fight while Rampage tries to cut the ring into half to stop him. I actually see this fight turning out like the Tito Ortiz/Machida fight. Although I think Rampage has better striking/power than Tito. So I see him chasing Machida down all fight and finally catching him in the 2nd for the TKO.



Thiago Silva has as much power as Rampage and probably one of the toughest chins in the division and he chased Machida for 1 round before getting knocked unconscious. The same will happen if Rampage chases I think.



Thiago Silva does not have as much power, nor as good of a chin as Rampage.

He does however, strike tremendously better when he's moving forward and agressive, whereas Rampage is at his best counterpunching.

Styles make fights, and rampage hasn't chased an opponent like Thiago did v. Machida in his entire tenure in the UFC.
d_enq
7/26/10 12:12:48AM
This fight could look alot like Machida v Rampage. The beginning a slow feeling out process, then Machida jumping in and using his precision to win the fight.

However, Machida may come out and be a bit hesitant.

This fight in intriguing because you have two counter strikers. I think Machida is quicker and more on point with his strikes, whiile Rampage has the power. I see Machida taking this more often than not.
Jackelope
7/26/10 12:46:42PM

Posted by d_enq

This fight could look alot like Machida v Rampage.



I sure hope it does

Bloodhound
7/26/10 11:10:36PM

Posted by seanfu


Thiago Silva has as much power as Rampage and probably one of the toughest chins in the division and he chased Machida for 1 round before getting knocked unconscious. The same will happen if Rampage chases I think.



No Silva dosen't have the chin or power Rampage has
Rush
7/27/10 12:48:35AM

Posted by Jackelope


Posted by d_enq

This fight could look alot like Machida v Rampage.



I sure hope it does






ahahahhahhaa. I was going to say the same thing. I had to read the post three times to figure it out.
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