Who do you look up to or respect the most: the RICH / the SMART / the AESTHETIC?

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POLL: Which do you look up to the most?
Rich 6% (1)
Smarts 56% (10)
Talented 28% (5)
Aesthetic 11% (2)
4u2nv
8/10/11 9:22:00AM
Who do you look up to or respect the most: the RICH / the SMART / the AESTHETIC?

Starting this thread as I'm heading a project in the local community about role models, so ANY input would be appreciated.

Which do you look up to or respect the most?

1) The Rich

- Top Bussiness Moguls: Richard Branson, Lakshmi Mittal, Carlos Slim, other Entrepreneurs
- Top Hedge Fund Managers / Bankers / Financiers: Paulson, Soros
- People who created a brand for themselves: Lebron James, Jay-Z

2) The Smart

- Public intellectuals: Noam Chomsky, Richard Dawkins, Nassim Taleb, Amartya Sen
- Top Mathematicians / Theoretical Physicists / Scientists / Surgeons
- Top Economists / Historians / Lawyers / Novelists / Critics

3) The Talented

- Pro-Athletes: Top athletes in basketball, football, athletics
- Musicians: Top guitarists, drummers, vocalists
- Actors: World class actors
- Entertainers: Colbert, Hicks, Carlin

4) The Aesthetic

- Bodywise: Arnie, Frank Zane, some emo phaggot
- Facewise: no homo

Cheers.

emfleek
8/10/11 9:24:18AM
A mixture of the smart and talented.

I'm not so sure I look up to them as much as I tend to envy their talents and abilities, though.
ghandikush
8/10/11 9:32:17AM
Smarts are all you need. Smarts create ways around obstacles of lack of talent. Smarts get you money.

Theoutlaw08
8/10/11 9:36:08AM

Posted by emfleek

A mixture of the smart and talented.

I'm not so sure I look up to them as much as I tend to envy their talents and abilities, though.



emfleek
8/10/11 9:46:49AM

Posted by ghandikush

Smarts are all you need.



Disagree. Some of the smartest people I know live some of the most boring lives.

IMO, that's like saying BJJ is all you need in MMA. I personally think it's great to have a strong point but to also be well rounded in all areas.

Anyways...that's another discussion. He's asking who we respect/look up to the most.

I'd say I "look up" to the driven more than any of the above. Those who are motivated. Those who set goals and those who accomplish said goals. My willpower is admittedly crap. I've always respected those who make up their minds to do something 'big' and then actually accomplish what they've set out to do.

EDIT: Oops...didn't notice the poll. I thought it was an open-ended question. Didn't realize we had to pick one. My bad!
Chael_Sonnen
8/10/11 12:28:51PM
None of the above
kopower
8/10/11 3:23:45PM
I agree with emfleek. Driven people I tend to look up to. I also find it encouraging when a person can set a long term goal and accomplish it, then set another one.
ghandikush
8/10/11 3:24:00PM

Posted by Theoutlaw08


Posted by emfleek

A mixture of the smart and talented.

I'm not so sure I look up to them as much as I tend to envy their talents and abilities, though.






Smarts own the world. If you are not talented, the smart can get roids and efficiant training, if not rich, smart will make you money, if not aesthetic, refer to talent method.

I dont see how it can be argued against.
emfleek
8/10/11 3:34:02PM

Posted by ghandikush

If you are not talented, the smart can get roids and efficiant training



So you have to be smart in order to obtain steroids and efficient training? And if you're poor, the only way to make money (or be rich) is to be smart?

No.

Your entire statement is very generalized (and fantasized). Maybe if we lived in a world where everything is black and white, I would tend to agree. But we don't, so I don't.

You have to have some level of talent (not all talent is physical) to go along with the smarts if you want to make money.
FastKnockout
8/10/11 4:02:36PM

Posted by emfleek

A mixture of the smart and talented.

I'm not so sure I look up to them as much as I tend to envy their talents and abilities, though.



This.
pmoney
8/10/11 10:29:07PM
You have to be driven. If you are talented, it doesn't mean a thing if you sit on your couch smoking crack all day. Same with being smart or aesthetically pleasing. Being rich will facilitate crack binges.....

Personally, I wouldn't say I look up to anyone. I never say "I want to be like _____", or , "I wish I had ______". I believe in infinite human potential. If one human can achieve something, I believe other humans can achieve the same. So many people limit themselves, and their potential as human beings. I respect people who don't limit themselves, and don't make excuses.

Some people never actualize their potential for different reasons. They blame their station on circumstance. Genetics. Society. Whatever it may be. Those are cop outs. The human brain is more powerful than anything. You really can do anything you set your mind to.

Actually, you probably couldn't grow wings, no matter how much thought you put in to it..... That and breathing under water.....

But yeah. I respect someone who believes in themselves and the human potential, and who works to be the best person they can be.

jae_1833
8/10/11 11:46:02PM
Unsung heroes and natural leaders.....people who take care of the handicapped, honest cops, brave firemen, sacrificing care givers and of course my fellow military brothers and sisters (current and past).
DeadHead988
8/11/11 12:22:56AM
porn stars
Pookie
8/11/11 12:49:19AM
I look up to and respect those with Strong Character the most. Because in all honesty, i think the people who do the right thing, off of either principle or compassion, are very few and very far between.

People who treat others as though it was their self being treated. I think most people make excuses for the wrong things they do, and yet ignore the rationale of others when they do something wrong. And in my opinion, i find that absolutely disgusting.


Pertaining directly to your question though, I'd respect the smart the most.

The aesthetic is beautiful, and can inspire creativity. But that does not deserve respect so much as it does admiration.

The Rich are the pinnacle of pragmatism. Something to be learned from. Someone that can show us how to further ourselves in a particular regard. But more often than not, the behavior of the rich is selfish. And that is one of the few things i have no respect for.

Process of elimination, the smart. Often the trappings that enrich our state of mind, or our conceptual capacity come from ideas. Ideas are the currency of the wise. I have the most respect for that out of the suggested categories, as it fosters personal growth.
Malaussie
8/11/11 4:01:11AM
Modesty and humbleness
emfleek
8/11/11 8:38:24AM

Posted by pmoney

Actually, you probably couldn't grow wings, no matter how much thought you put in to it



TAKE IT BACK!

UFC_Fanatic
8/11/11 1:49:29PM

Posted by pmoney

You have to be driven. If you are talented, it doesn't mean a thing if you sit on your couch smoking crack all day. Same with being smart or aesthetically pleasing. Being rich will facilitate crack binges.....

Personally, I wouldn't say I look up to anyone. I never say "I want to be like _____", or , "I wish I had ______". I believe in infinite human potential. If one human can achieve something, I believe other humans can achieve the same. So many people limit themselves, and their potential as human beings. I respect people who don't limit themselves, and don't make excuses.

Some people never actualize their potential for different reasons. They blame their station on circumstance. Genetics. Society. Whatever it may be. Those are cop outs. The human brain is more powerful than anything. You really can do anything you set your mind to.

Actually, you probably couldn't grow wings, no matter how much thought you put in to it..... That and breathing under water.....

But yeah. I respect someone who believes in themselves and the human potential, and who works to be the best person they can be.




Well said. I tend to agree. I know I have come a long ways since when I first started sparring and training in MMA. I've never quite been as naturally athletically gifted as a lot of the people I grew up with, but I've always worked harder than they did. That's why I want to try and find a place to train Jiu-Jitsu that is at least somewhat close to where I live because I believe that given the proper training I could be one of the absolute best in the world. It's all about setting your goals high and believing you can accomplish them.

As far as the human brain being the most powerful thing in existence, that is also accurate. The human brain processes information faster than even the worlds most powerful supercomputer. The problem is that a lot of people waste that power and let it all go to waste.
Aether
8/11/11 6:41:59PM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by ghandikush

Smarts are all you need.



Disagree. Some of the smartest people I know live some of the most boring lives.

IMO, that's like saying BJJ is all you need in MMA. I personally think it's great to have a strong point but to also be well rounded in all areas.

Anyways...that's another discussion. He's asking who we respect/look up to the most.

I'd say I "look up" to the driven more than any of the above. Those who are motivated. Those who set goals and those who accomplish said goals. My willpower is admittedly crap. I've always respected those who make up their minds to do something 'big' and then actually accomplish what they've set out to do.

EDIT: Oops...didn't notice the poll. I thought it was an open-ended question. Didn't realize we had to pick one. My bad!



This times 1,000,000. Motivation, determination and drive are worth far more than talent, intellect, or any of the other qualities that have been mentioned.

In fact, I believe that extreme talent and extreme intelligence can often be an obstacle for people. Because of the fact that they can do things so much more easily than everyone around them, they often feel like they don't have to try to accomplish their goals. Then when they are required to buckle down and actually put a huge amount of effort into what they are doing, they aren't prepared, because they're used to doing everything with minimal effort, even if a normal person would have had to work extremely hard to accomplish the same feat.
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