Lightweight Contention Picture

what does the lightweight title contender picture look like? I think that edgar beating fisher does not put him to the top regardless of how good fisher is he was coming off a UD victory over sam stout and before that a loss to sam stout.
I believe that the winner of Guida vs Huerta should fight the winner of Edgar and Kenflo for the next title shot whether its against the winner of the interim title or the winner of the intertim title winner vs. sean sherk
Tiago Tavares should automatically be fighting Spencer Fisher.

TO SUM UP MY LIGHTWEIGHT THOUGHTS
- (winner of guida vs huerta) VS (winner of Edgar vs Florian)
- (winner of those two fights - imo Florian and Guida -> guida) to fight the winner of (Joe Daddy vs BJ penn) vs Sean Sherk
- on a completely separate note Spencer Fisher is coming off a decision loss to a great fighter being frankie edgar and tiago tavares is coming off a decision loss to a hungry and agressive tyson griffin - they need to fight
Spencer fisher vs tiago tavares

What's with all these UFC threads popping up in The Lounge?

Okay this is how I see it:

You've got your

Champion: Sean Sherk

he's in a jam at the moment so you've got your interim title fight

#1 Cont: BJ Penn vs #2 Cont: Joe Stevenson

after that it could be a reversible situation..

Either Kenny Florian is #3, or Edgar is #3, with the other being #4.. I see Kenny being #3. To help resolve it you need

#3 Cont: Kenny Florian vs #4 Cont: Frankie Edgar

Then in my mind the next guy is

#5 Cont: Tyson Griffin

Until he gets a fight and a guy beats him then he shouldn't be any lower than #5.

Now then, next I have Clay Guida, and Roger Huerta. I don't see Huerta's wins as convincing as Guida's decisioning Din Thomas, Tyson Griffin, and Marcus Aurelio with the later being a win.

Therefore I have it

#6 Cont: Clay Guida
#7 Cont: Roger Huerta

Next and this is taking in the fact that Spencer beat Sam Stout, but did lose to Frankie Edgar (something I knew would happen because I knew Fisher wasn't that great a fighter), I have decided to put him in the #8 spot.

#8 Cont: Spencer Fisher

and just to round out the top 10, because of his close loss to Tyson Griffin, I have Thiago Tavarres as my

#9 Cont: Thiago Tavarres

with this, you know which fights need to be made to either push a guy down or push him up. the division's contention picture might not be as clear as mine, but the UFC would do well with going with mine.. being the Lightweight fan that I am.

I see Sherk getting suspended..

Frank Edgar SHOULD get the next title shot but he's not the personality the UFC wants to promote so they'll give the next shot to the winner of Huerta/Guida or maybe Tyson after his next fight.

In my mind I WANT it to go down like this...

Frank Edgar vs the winner of Joe-BJ

Huerta/Guida(Winner) vs. BJ/Joe(Loser), winner gets title shot after

Huerta/Guida(Loser) vs. Tyson after he wins his next fight

Thiago Taveres vs. Spencer Fisher/Cole Miller vs. Joe Lauzon with the winner of both fights fighting each other to get the next big name opponent...

These are some sick fights I must see before I die

What about Kenny Florian? He's more important to the contention picture than Cole Miller/Joe Lauzon..

i like your thinking, and i would love to see spencer fisher fight tavares

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Posted by Scott_Revels

Okay this is how I see it:

You've got your

Champion: Sean Sherk

he's in a jam at the moment so you've got your interim title fight

#1 Cont: BJ Penn vs #2 Cont: Joe Stevenson

after that it could be a reversible situation..

Either Kenny Florian is #3, or Edgar is #3, with the other being #4.. I see Kenny being #3. To help resolve it you need

#3 Cont: Kenny Florian vs #4 Cont: Frankie Edgar

Then in my mind the next guy is

#5 Cont: Tyson Griffin

Until he gets a fight and a guy beats him then he shouldn't be any lower than #5.

Now then, next I have Clay Guida, and Roger Huerta. I don't see Huerta's wins as convincing as Guida's decisioning Din Thomas, Tyson Griffin, and Marcus Aurelio with the later being a win.

Therefore I have it

#6 Cont: Clay Guida
#7 Cont: Roger Huerta

Next and this is taking in the fact that Spencer beat Sam Stout, but did lose to Frankie Edgar (something I knew would happen because I knew Fisher wasn't that great a fighter), I have decided to put him in the #8 spot.

#8 Cont: Spencer Fisher

and just to round out the top 10, because of his close loss to Tyson Griffin, I have Thiago Tavarres as my

#9 Cont: Thiago Tavarres

with this, you know which fights need to be made to either push a guy down or push him up. the division's contention picture might not be as clear as mine, but the UFC would do well with going with mine.. being the Lightweight fan that I am.

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small minded people, he is NOT champion, once you do roids your done son. and he will never beat joe stevenson or BJ Penn they are too good.

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small minded people, he is NOT champion, once you do roids your done son. and he will never beat joe stevenson or BJ Penn they are too good.

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even though i am not a sherk fan and agree with you that if you have done steroids you should definitely not be champ, i disagree with you on some points. first of all, it hasn't technically been proven that he has done steroids yet as the CSAC jury is still out on that one and dates keep moving later and later so to remove him as champ isn't technically fair and imo you can't do anything until the CSAC has ruled. also, the fact that sherk couldn't beat bj or joe is laughable imo because sherk would just LnP against both of them. he would out muscle joe and out wrestle him in a five round domination. bj actually has the best chance as he could submit him from his back, but with the level of JJ that sherk has show lately i think that is unlikely. again, although i hate his fighting style, sherk would most likely beat both of those guys by way of LnP.

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Posted by jiujitsufreak74

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small minded people, he is NOT champion, once you do roids your done son. and he will never beat joe stevenson or BJ Penn they are too good.

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even though i am not a sherk fan and agree with you that if you have done steroids you should definitely not be champ, i disagree with you on some points. first of all, it hasn't technically been proven that he has done steroids yet as the CSAC jury is still out on that one and dates keep moving later and later so to remove him as champ isn't technically fair and imo you can't do anything until the CSAC has ruled. also, the fact that sherk couldn't beat bj or joe is laughable imo because sherk would just LnP against both of them. he would out muscle joe and out wrestle him in a five round domination. bj actually has the best chance as he could submit him from his back, but with the level of JJ that sherk has show lately i think that is unlikely. again, although i hate his fighting style, sherk would most likely beat both of those guys by way of LnP.

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if BJ loses to sherk i would quit watching mma ..haha its like that, cant stand sherk, i dont think he can control BJ if BJ wants to stand up sherk isnt taking him down if hughes couldnt (until the 3rd round i guess), GSP exposed sherks lack of power (not the same as brute strength i mean striking)

but yeah he ISNT guilty yet i should cut him some slack until proven.

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Posted by Scott_Revels

What about Kenny Florian? He's more important to the contention picture than Cole Miller/Joe Lauzon..

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I think he's too high on yours. His biggest quality win was Din Thomas. Sam Stout is not that hard to beat if your a ground fighter like Florian is. He got dominated by Serk. He beat some Japanesse guy. But yeah, him fighting Edgar would be a great fight though. Keep Edgar busy as Joe & BJ warm up that belt for him.

maybe I watched a dif fight but I don't see what Edgar did against Fisher for so many people to think he is so good. Don't get me wrong he is a top 5 LW in UFC but number one I don't think so.

I CANT BELIVE I HEARD SOME GUY SAY THT SHERK CAN BEAT PENN ?!?!?!
Sherk wont be able to take down penn only stpierre has been able to take Penn down impressivly and sherk couldnt out wrestle him ... hughes couldnt even really take him down so now u expect a wrestler of sherks caliber to take down penn ? ... people piss me off and it doesnt matter cuz no one in light weight can beat penn only maybe stpierre And thts at welter weight

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Posted by quezocrema0032

I CANT BELIVE I HEARD SOME GUY SAY THT SHERK CAN BEAT PENN ?!?!?!
Sherk wont be able to take down penn only stpierre has been able to take Penn down impressivly and sherk couldnt out wrestle him ... hughes couldnt even really take him down so now u expect a wrestler of sherks caliber to take down penn ? ... people piss me off and it doesnt matter cuz no one in light weight can beat penn only maybe stpierre And thts at welter weight

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you are obviously underestimating sherk and other LW fighters. of course sherk could take bj down, and he will most likely do what matt hughes did to bj in their fight only he wont finish the fight, he will just LnP like he always does. although i don't like it, sherk is a really tough fighter to beat because he is so much stronger (albeit possibly from steroids) than everyone else in the division and his LnP style is hard to counter. i think bj has the best chance to beat him, it is just that i don't think he would. bj will most likely be able to defend the take down for the beginning part of the fight, but after that sherk's supreme conditioning will shine and unfortunately the slow paced boring style of sherk would reign supreme. again its unfortunate, but you have to acknowledge that sherk's slow LnP style is difficult to overcome, even for a BJJ guy.

Where do you guys see Deigo Sanchez if he drops down? Do you think Dana will let him cut line alittle and maybe fight one of the top 5 lightweights?

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Posted by jiujitsufreak74

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small minded people, he is NOT champion, once you do roids your done son. and he will never beat joe stevenson or BJ Penn they are too good.

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even though i am not a sherk fan and agree with you that if you have done steroids you should definitely not be champ, i disagree with you on some points. first of all, it hasn't technically been proven that he has done steroids yet as the CSAC jury is still out on that one and dates keep moving later and later so to remove him as champ isn't technically fair and imo you can't do anything until the CSAC has ruled. also, the fact that sherk couldn't beat bj or joe is laughable imo because sherk would just LnP against both of them. he would out muscle joe and out wrestle him in a five round domination. bj actually has the best chance as he could submit him from his back, but with the level of JJ that sherk has show lately i think that is unlikely. again, although i hate his fighting style, sherk would most likely beat both of those guys by way of LnP.

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Yeah, like he said.. If he hasn't been stripped of a title, then he's the champion. If this thread was started after BJ/Joe, i'd have that winner as Interim Champion, unless Sherk got stripped before then.

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Posted by NatedawgThaM

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Posted by Scott_Revels

What about Kenny Florian? He's more important to the contention picture than Cole Miller/Joe Lauzon..

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I think he's too high on yours. His biggest quality win was Din Thomas. Sam Stout is not that hard to beat if your a ground fighter like Florian is. He got dominated by Serk. He beat some Japanesse guy. But yeah, him fighting Edgar would be a great fight though. Keep Edgar busy as Joe & BJ warm up that belt for him.

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Yeah, I know his wins aren't as great or big as Edgar's, but he should at least be on the top ten. Compared to guys who aren't on my list, Kenny is better than them. Kenny might be high on my list, but he's too low on yours, lol..

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Posted by Kainlock

maybe I watched a dif fight but I don't see what Edgar did against Fisher for so many people to think he is so good. Don't get me wrong he is a top 5 LW in UFC but number one I don't think so.

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It was how Edgar was basically manhandling, being that he easily took Fisher down, Fisher. When Edgar wanted Fisher on the ground he was on the ground. There was no sprawl defense on Fisher's part, it was all takedown, and stay down (until the ref stepped in.) I have given Fisher the props he deserves for staying active on his back, and keeping Edgar from advancing any further than he did, but it's how Edgar dominated Fisher up until the side control portions that puts Fisher so high.

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Posted by Pitbull09

Where do you guys see Deigo Sanchez if he drops down? Do you think Dana will let him cut line alittle and maybe fight one of the top 5 lightweights?

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How my system works is, if you haven't fought in the UFC, you don't get ranked. The same goes for moving to another division. Until you fight and win in that new division, you don't get ranked. Then depending upon his opponent, and how dominant he is, he is ranked fairly. If Diego's first fight was against Tyson Griffin, and he won, he would be placed ahead of Tyson Griffin, and everyone would move down one spot, knocking off the #10 spot guy.. Even though I know guys like Diego and Mike Swick would do well and be highly ranked in a top ten situation, I can't rank them until they fight in a division. Basically they sit in limbo until they fight.

If my system were used with every fighter, a guy like Denis Kang would not be higher Yoshihiro Akiyama, like MMAWeekly has him.