Liddell vs. Jardine instead of Silva @ UFC 76

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papercut
7/13/07 5:18:12PM
"Former UFC light heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell (20-4 MMA, 14-3 UFC) and Keith Jardine (12-3-1 MMA, 4-2 UFC) are expected to headline Anaheim’s UFC 76 event in September."

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blowe1983
7/13/07 5:33:32PM
should be a quick easy fight for liddell. very disappointing
xphycorx
7/13/07 5:42:18PM
if that really is the headliner, that will really suck. liddell will whoop his @$$ all over the octagon.
cowcatcher
7/13/07 5:46:05PM
i expect to see some LW or WW matchup steal the show if this is the headliner, should be a fairly easy nights work for chuck
italianpride
7/13/07 5:55:39PM
LOL that's hilarious because yesterday I said why is Dana not even thinking about having Chuck fight Shogun, obviously he's scared, and that'd he probably match him up with Jardine (as a joke)...with Silva saying he'd fight Chuck in November, this shows how protected Chuck is as a fighter. For them to run a mock burial job of Silva on ufc.com and make themselves look this ridiculous only adds to Dana's ignorance. First the comments about internet mma fans, then the botched Canada job, now this. I hope the Fertitta's wake up.
Ordep
7/13/07 6:12:19PM
Dana just want to give a chance for the UFC fighters to "rise" again... the Prides are coming, IMO he's so upset tha the 205 Unification title will be between 2 former Pride's and of course he don't want to give two consecutive loses to Chuck. Wand? Shogun? nah..... Jardine..... so he can win.

COWARD!!!!


Dana and Chuck should get married.
TOMMYAYO05
7/13/07 6:14:40PM
Do you guys smell what i smell.......
komodo20
7/13/07 6:21:17PM
Chuck is going to knockout Jardine in the first round
zephead
7/13/07 6:58:02PM
The Pride boys are coming and they are winning...oops....Cro Cop got KOed. Herring lost in his firs fight in the UFC. Why oh why does just about every thread get truned into a Pride vs. UFC????

How was Chuck being protected?? He fought everybody they put in front of him. He went to Pride and fight 3 times. This is getting crazy
TOMMYAYO05
7/13/07 7:04:35PM

How was Chuck being protected?? He fought everybody they put in front of him. He went to Pride and fight 3 times. This is getting crazy
he is being protected by dana because dana try to lowball wandi because he dont want his boy to lose two in a row.
masodd
7/13/07 7:15:11PM
great fight but even a better fight will be jon fitch vs. diego sanchez (i like it because diego will get dominated again)
silverbullet
7/13/07 7:19:14PM

Posted by TOMMYAYO05


How was Chuck being protected?? He fought everybody they put in front of him. He went to Pride and fight 3 times. This is getting crazy
he is being protected by dana because dana try to lowball wandi because he dont want his boy to lose two in a row.



I don't like Dana too much, and I am not big fan of Chuck at all. However it seems like you base all of you conclusions on some rumors that somebody heard, and somebody else repeated. Fans on the internet want Chuck to fight Silva so bad that they hear only things they want to hear, and rumors spread to insane proportions.

Dana could care less about Chuck, all Dana wants to do is make some dough. Chuck losing two in a row is bad because it confuses an "average" fan. Chuck losing two fights in a row to people that average American UFC fan never heard of is really bad. Chuck vs. Silva is not going to sell tickets. Chuck vs. Keith Jardine (TUF) is going to sell alot of tickets. And that's the end of the story.

I doubt that Chuck is scared, and I doubt he has any say at all at who he wants to fight next. Wanderlei said they offered him a contract, and he wanted to delay for a month. UFC offered him a contract, he himself admitted to it. He couldn't fight in September, well too bad. At the end of the day UFC needs to sell tickets, and thats the end of the story. It is unfortunate that "Liddell vs. Jardine" fight is an appeal to all the average fight fans who don't know much about the game.

I am not trying to take sides here, however I do not think that Liddell is scared, or Dana is protecting somebody. If it meant making a couple extra million dollars and the Nevada Athletic Commission said yes, Dana would put Chuck against a bulldozer and watch him get mowed down.
TOMMYAYO05
7/13/07 7:25:37PM

don't like Dana too much, and I am not big fan of Chuck at all. However it seems like you base all of you conclusions on some rumors that somebody heard, and somebody else repeated. Fans on the internet want Chuck to fight Silva so bad that they hear only things they want to hear, and rumors spread to insane proportions.
then explain to me why he couldnt wait two more months to fight wandi instead of jardine.Dana is like best friends with chuck i wouldn want my best freind getting tkod twice in a row but i dunno about u.thats why dana is protecting the snowman.
CwB
7/13/07 8:03:38PM

Posted by TOMMYAYO05


don't like Dana too much, and I am not big fan of Chuck at all. However it seems like you base all of you conclusions on some rumors that somebody heard, and somebody else repeated. Fans on the internet want Chuck to fight Silva so bad that they hear only things they want to hear, and rumors spread to insane proportions.
then explain to me why he couldnt wait two more months to fight wandi instead of jardine.Dana is like best friends with chuck i wouldn want my best freind getting tkod twice in a row but i dunno about u.thats why dana is protecting the snowman.



OK i will explain, if he took liddell off that card it would only sell to the hardcore fans like us. If liddell wasnt on that card then the only name known to average fans would be diego sanchez and that is not enough for a pay per view.

He doesnt want chuck to fight shogun because he is protecting both of them. he wants to build shogun up to american fans and have one of them have a belt before they fight each other. DANA IS NOT PROTECTING CHUCK he is protecting his and everyone elses paycheck. if wandy was in chucks position ( being the biggest star in mma america) dana would be doing the same thing right now protecting wandy, it has nothing to do with friendship, its all bussiness

crushedbacon
7/13/07 8:12:29PM
Well if Dana is gonna turn the UFC into his own personal soap opera full of personally picked fights instead of the obvious ones the fans want to see now then he can start putting them on free TV.....cuz nobodies gonna want to pay for this garbage
cmill21
7/13/07 8:13:39PM
Not protecting chuck? Why not have Machida and Jardine, and then have big bad chuck against the best Pride had to offer. If you say this guys better then Rampage and chucks gunna show that the rampage fight was a fluke by beating a better fighter in shogun, the average fan will watch. Now that i've said how it should go, guess why it won't happen...if Chuck loses again it showes that his UFC monster would have been out of the top 5 in Pride. It's not UFC vs. Pride anymore. But it does make dana look stupid since he's been saying the UFC is 10x better then Pride for years.
Canadian_MM_EH
7/13/07 8:35:46PM
B.S match making by the UFC, im choked!!!!!!!!!!
silverbullet
7/13/07 8:37:43PM

Posted by cmill21

Not protecting chuck? Why not have Machida and Jardine, and then have big bad chuck against the best Pride had to offer. If you say this guys better then Rampage and chucks gunna show that the rampage fight was a fluke by beating a better fighter in shogun, the average fan will watch. Now that i've said how it should go, guess why it won't happen...if Chuck loses again it showes that his UFC monster would have been out of the top 5 in Pride. It's not UFC vs. Pride anymore. But it does make dana look stupid since he's been saying the UFC is 10x better then Pride for years.



I think Dana's just trying his best to sell tickets. If you don't like UFC, then watch Pride instead.. Oh wait a second, Pride went belly up!

Wandy admitted that was offered a contract, and he declined it, or wanted to postpone it, or wanted more money. Who the photon knows what really happened?! You hate Dana and Chuck by default, and you trust every word that comes out of Wandy's mouth. Get real.
thejuice
7/13/07 8:54:01PM

Posted by silverbullet


Posted by cmill21

Not protecting chuck? Why not have Machida and Jardine, and then have big bad chuck against the best Pride had to offer. If you say this guys better then Rampage and chucks gunna show that the rampage fight was a fluke by beating a better fighter in shogun, the average fan will watch. Now that i've said how it should go, guess why it won't happen...if Chuck loses again it showes that his UFC monster would have been out of the top 5 in Pride. It's not UFC vs. Pride anymore. But it does make dana look stupid since he's been saying the UFC is 10x better then Pride for years.



I think Dana's just trying his best to sell tickets. If you don't like UFC, then watch Pride instead.. Oh wait a second, Pride went belly up!

Wandy admitted that was offered a contract, and he declined it, or wanted to postpone it, or wanted more money. Who the photon knows what really happened?! You hate Dana and Chuck by default, and you trust every word that comes out of Wandy's mouth. Get real.



You talk about getting real, how about learning to research a topic you post about. Wanderlei was offered two choices, fight Chuck in September, or fight Chuck in November, he chose November because he's in the process of moving to the U.S. and hasn't been training full time. Instead of Dana saying okay cool, he says forget it (after offering Silva the f***in date) and proceeds to slander Silva and have his "burial" on ufc.com

Jardine would sell more then Silva would?? Is this the same Jardine who just got destroyed in one round, couldn't establish himself as superior to Stephan Bonnar, and his career highlight is knocking out Forrest Griffin?? I'm sorry, but the Silva fight would sell 10x more then Jardine ever would. They've been trying to make that fight for years and even had Silva in the octagon twice in the past, once for Couture, then for Chuck.

As for PRIDE guys getting KTFO in UFC (Cro Cop) I find that funny, because not only is Cro Cop going to end up destroying every UFC heavyweight there is, but what about Fedor?? How did Anderson Silva and Rampage, two guys who could never get a belt in PRIDE, manage in the UFC?? Herring?? You mean the guy UFC built up as a huge signing even though he hadn't fought in PRIDE in years and never did anything there, other then getting destroyed by Fedor and Cro Cop and beat by Nog twice.

Get your facts straight, learn what you're talking about, and then tell people to get real. The bottom line is Dana was looking for an excuse out of this fight, he would've never offered Silva November if it was such a problem, he did, Silva chose November, and all of a sudden the fight's off because Silva "backed out" and the UFC poster boy is fighting a can that just got destroyed by Houston Alexander. Wow, real impressive.
thejuice
7/13/07 8:55:54PM
And for the last time, stop saying comments like "Watch PRIDE, oh wait, it's finished"...real mma fans know the history of mma as a sport, and during those 10 years, how PRIDE was far superior to anything the UFC ever put on. You list the best UFC events and fighters of all time, and I'll list PRIDE's, and then that can be your final embarassment on this forum and you can go back to telling people with superior intellect on the subject "to get real"...because clearly you're as real as it gets.
Gimmefive
7/13/07 8:58:21PM
I thought Dana wanted to get the best fights possible. This is a bunch of crap. Wait an extra month for Silva.
hoodlum5000
7/13/07 8:59:41PM
Why does everyone think Jardine sucks all of the sudden? Do your homework people, he's a bad bad man.

I'm going to call it now, Jardine by submission.
Canadian_MM_EH
7/13/07 9:04:57PM
Jardine=WEC
nastshabast
7/13/07 9:12:44PM
why even bother
TOMMYAYO05
7/13/07 9:13:13PM

And for the last time, stop saying comments like "Watch PRIDE, oh wait, it's finished"...real mma fans know the history of mma as a sport, and during those 10 years, how PRIDE was far superior to anything the UFC ever put on. You list the best UFC events and fighters of all time, and I'll list PRIDE's, and then that can be your final embarassment on this forum and you can go back to telling people with superior intellect on the subject "to get real"...because clearly you're as real as it gets.

I tell u guys what yeah sure Pride went belly up or whatever but any true mma fan knows pride had way better talent and there pay-per views were way more exciting.Not to mention if you look at the top 5 in each weight class well most are from pride..so pride is the true superior brand at least there fighters are.
crushedbacon
7/13/07 9:14:35PM
To "thejuice" .............man you just said everything I'm thinking perfectly. Bang on totally bang on! .....and to the guy who thinks jardine is a bad bad man what homework were you doing exactly......? My homework tells me he got lucky and beat Griffin once, most likely wont happen again. You cant hang your hat on that victory your whole career, he's lost to bonner and just got smashed by Alexander...... so A+B= him submitting chuck?.....Alright yeah that makes sense?
Ordep
7/13/07 9:16:25PM

Not fighting Shogun because Dana is protecting "both" wait wait....

Oh!!! because he wants to rise Shogun in America....

then what a better way to rise him than letting him KO Liddell a.k.a the MMA Icon for Americans

get some common sense .
TOMMYAYO05
7/13/07 9:16:56PM

To "thejuice" .............man you just said everything I'm thinking perfectly. Bang on totally bang on! .....and to the guy who thinks jardine is a bad bad man what homework were you doing exactly......? My homework tells me he got lucky and beat Griffin once, most likely wont happen again. You cant hang your hat on that victory your whole career, he's lost to bonner and just got smashed by Alexander...... so A+B= him submitting chuck?.....Alright yeah that makes sense?
Jardine looked like a punk against alexander and got lucky with griffin and if they fought again i would say griffin would win i mean come on he lost ton bonnar too.
silverbullet
7/13/07 9:20:53PM

Posted by thejuice


Posted by silverbullet


Posted by cmill21

Not protecting chuck? Why not have Machida and Jardine, and then have big bad chuck against the best Pride had to offer. If you say this guys better then Rampage and chucks gunna show that the rampage fight was a fluke by beating a better fighter in shogun, the average fan will watch. Now that i've said how it should go, guess why it won't happen...if Chuck loses again it showes that his UFC monster would have been out of the top 5 in Pride. It's not UFC vs. Pride anymore. But it does make dana look stupid since he's been saying the UFC is 10x better then Pride for years.



I think Dana's just trying his best to sell tickets. If you don't like UFC, then watch Pride instead.. Oh wait a second, Pride went belly up!

Wandy admitted that was offered a contract, and he declined it, or wanted to postpone it, or wanted more money. Who the photon knows what really happened?! You hate Dana and Chuck by default, and you trust every word that comes out of Wandy's mouth. Get real.



You talk about getting real, how about learning to research a topic you post about. Wanderlei was offered two choices, fight Chuck in September, or fight Chuck in November, he chose November because he's in the process of moving to the U.S. and hasn't been training full time. Instead of Dana saying okay cool, he says forget it (after offering Silva the f***in date) and proceeds to slander Silva and have his "burial" on ufc.com

Jardine would sell more then Silva would?? Is this the same Jardine who just got destroyed in one round, couldn't establish himself as superior to Stephan Bonnar, and his career highlight is knocking out Forrest Griffin?? I'm sorry, but the Silva fight would sell 10x more then Jardine ever would. They've been trying to make that fight for years and even had Silva in the octagon twice in the past, once for Couture, then for Chuck.

As for PRIDE guys getting KTFO in UFC (Cro Cop) I find that funny, because not only is Cro Cop going to end up destroying every UFC heavyweight there is, but what about Fedor?? How did Anderson Silva and Rampage, two guys who could never get a belt in PRIDE, manage in the UFC?? Herring?? You mean the guy UFC built up as a huge signing even though he hadn't fought in PRIDE in years and never did anything there, other then getting destroyed by Fedor and Cro Cop and beat by Nog twice.

Get your facts straight, learn what you're talking about, and then tell people to get real. The bottom line is Dana was looking for an excuse out of this fight, he would've never offered Silva November if it was such a problem, he did, Silva chose November, and all of a sudden the fight's off because Silva "backed out" and the UFC poster boy is fighting a can that just got destroyed by Houston Alexander. Wow, real impressive.



Of course everything that Wandy says is automatically regarded as gospel. I don't know what UFC really offered him, and neither do you. However, you automatically diss Chuck as a pansy, and Dana as a moron, and Wandy is the victim in all this. They offered him the goddamn fight, and he declined it!

There, deal with it
landstander
7/13/07 9:26:35PM
The risk vs reward for this fight is bad. Lately almost every easy fight the ufc has given to someone to promote them has gone the other way. Jardine winning isn't going to make him a huge ppv seller, and it would be devastating for the hype the ufc has been building around chuck for all these years.

I wonder what their plan is if chuck loses.
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