My Top 15 LHW for UFC and Pride

1 Mauricio Rua
2 Wanderlei Silva
3 Chuck Liddell
4 Quinton Jackson
5 Dan Henderson
6 Ricardo Arona
7 Rameau Sokoudjou
8 Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
9 Renato Sobral
10 Tito Ortiz
11 Jason Lambert
12 Alistair Overeem
13 Lyoto Machida
14 Rashad Evans
15 Michael Bisping

Edit:
Moved Jason Lambert into the 11 spot and moved Jardine out of top 15.

I don't know about Babalu beign so high i would put Lambert above Forrest and Jardine

My rankings are based on two things, 1) win percentage and 2) Wins over top 15 fighters. The wins have to be over current light heavy weights, so chucks wins over couture are not counted towards his rank.

Who did Forrest beat to get on that list?Elvis,Bonnar or Hector

I think Lambert record is better them Forrest's Babalu and Martin are more impressive to me

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Posted by thepunisher

Who did Forrest beat to get on that list?Elvis,Bonnar or Hector

I think Lambert record is better them Forrest's Babalu and Martin are more impressive to me

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Forrest isn't on the list. Are you talking about Keith Jardine?

Nope i am just retarded and i can't read

I will stop trying to make a point now
But i agree with taking Jardine down

I don't agree with chuck being above rampage. Other then that good list, babalu should drop abit.

good list,,,,and why are ppl talkin about forrest if he isnt even on that list>??

Also, Babalu's rank is based almost entirely on his win over Shogun. If he loses his next fight I will likely put him below Lambert and maybe even off the list depending on how bad he loses.

i wanna see ricardo arona in the ufc, and alistar overeem,,,possible remtach with chuck with be good

I always put Rua, Henderson, Wandy, Jackson, and Soku ahead of Chuck. Am I the only one that puts Chuck at 6th? Or do other people agree?

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Posted by Copenhagen

I always put Rua, Henderson, Wandy, Jackson, and Soku ahead of Chuck. Am I the only one that puts Chuck at 6th? Or do other people agree?

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You don't feel that Sokou is too wet behind the ears?

chuck hasnt faced top competion in a long time, juss wresteler that cant take him down and dnt know how to stike, the likes of tito, randy, babalu, jeremy horn, fighters that are not on his level of striking.........those are all great fighters but chuck has good enough wrestelin to keep it standing and good enough strkin to knock them out.....the last striker i can think of he fought was i 2002 vs vitor velfort........and when finally we see him against a guy with good striking he gets KOd ...but that juss my opinion

Point taken but I want to wait one more Chuck fight before I drop him below 5.

Rameau Sokoudjou is kind of new but in his last two fights he faced top competion Lil noguiera and arona, im not sure i would put him in front of chuck but he defenately deserves a spot in the top 15

I think soko needs 2 more fights before I put him up up up there. I'd have chuck at #5 until he fights wandy or another top 5 and either wins or loses.

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Posted by nubby

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Posted by Copenhagen

I always put Rua, Henderson, Wandy, Jackson, and Soku ahead of Chuck. Am I the only one that puts Chuck at 6th? Or do other people agree?

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You don't feel that Sokou is too wet behind the ears?

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I thought the Lil Nog fight was a fluke, but after him doing the same thing to Arona, I changed my mind. I still might be jumping on his bandwagon a little to soon though. Regardless I do think Sokou would beat Chuck.

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Posted by nubby

Point taken but I want to wait one more Chuck fight before I drop him below 5.

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you better wait 2, Jardine shouldn't be considered much of a test.

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Posted by ocho-cinco

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Posted by nubby

Point taken but I want to wait one more Chuck fight before I drop him below 5.

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you better wait 2, Jardine shouldn't be considered much of a test.

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Yeah and after Chuck beats Jardine UFC will automatically put him back into title contention.

Jardine represents one thing to Chuck: has he lost his ability? If he easily dispatches Jardine I will leave him where he is and if he loses then well we all know what that means.

u sayin chucks wins over cotoure don count thats retarded randy beat up that division an got retired by chuck. chuck belongs infront of rampage do to rampage not bn able ta beat silva 2 an shogun an i bet he cant beat hendo chuck fought some good fighters i don think rampage could whoop randy or tito.
rampage is a beast but chuck is the better fighter by far an if he would of got into that last fight he'd a won he didn even look in shape that fight look at th tito chuck 2 fight an the rampage fight big difference in shape.

This needs editing, Wanderlei lost to Dan and is not as good an all around fighter. Henderson has to be higher. That is a must in my opinion. Babulu has top 10 talent but with the past few years he needs to reel off some victories against first rate types. Tito Ortiz is overrated, though still a top fighter, homey needs to be at 14 or 15. Arona has to be under Rameau, and Bisbing can be as high as the 10 spot. Allistair Overeem should be at 9. Lambert still needs more victories shoot I'll just go ahead and post it,

1.Shogun
2.Rampage
3.Liddell
4.Henderson
5.Sokoudjou
6.Silva
7.Arona
8.Antonio Rod Nog
9.Allistair
10.Bisbing
11.Rashad
12.Lyoto
13.Vitor
14.Tito
15.Thiago Silva

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Posted by hardhitta513

u sayin chucks wins over cotoure don count thats retarded randy beat up that division an got retired by chuck. chuck belongs infront of rampage do to rampage not bn able ta beat silva 2 an shogun an i bet he cant beat hendo chuck fought some good fighters i don think rampage could whoop randy or tito.
rampage is a beast but chuck is the better fighter by far an if he would of got into that last fight he'd a won he didn even look in shape that fight look at th tito chuck 2 fight an the rampage fight big difference in shape.

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I really don't understand what your trying to say. If your trying to say Randy, Tito, and Chuck are better then Jackson, I completely disagree.

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Posted by MoJoy

This needs editing, Wanderlei lost to Dan and is not as good an all around fighter. Henderson has to be higher. That is a must in my opinion. Babulu has top 10 talent but with the past few years he needs to reel off some victories against first rate types. Tito Ortiz is overrated, though still a top fighter, homey needs to be at 14 or 15. Arona has to be under Rameau, and Bisbing can be as high as the 10 spot. Allistair Overeem should be at 9. Lambert still needs more victories shoot I'll just go ahead and post it,

1.Shogun
2.Rampage
3.Liddell
4.Henderson
5.Sokoudjou
6.Silva
7.Arona
8.Antonio Rod Nog
9.Allistair
10.Bisbing
11.Rashad
12.Lyoto
13.Vitor
14.Tito
15.Thiago Silva

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You see this is my point about Chuck. If you believe in the list you've picked out, how can you think Chuck is third? Chuck only faced one person on your top ten and he lost to him twice. He has NOT beaten any top ten fighter on your list. Why do you put him in third?

Kazuhiro Nakamura should be top 10 IMO. Way above Micheal Bisping.

like i said be4 chuck hasnt faced top competition in a long time, juss wrestelers that cant take him down, and are not good enough strikers to hang with him, and finally wen he faces a striker he looses, i think he should be around 6...

also hendo shouldnt be higher than 5, he fights mostly and middle weight(welter weight in pride)

also MOJOY ..... wanderlei should be higher, he held the title for a long time, way longer than chuck, and also he beat rampage twice, chuck lost twice to rampage.......and the fights he lost against cro cop and mark hunt cant be counted cus it wasnt a Light heavyweight, than his only loss at LHW in the past 7 years (without counting dan henderson) was against ricardo arona, wich he avenged......so i dont see how chuck can be in front and wanderlei

Copenhagen listen to what your saying. Are you one of the over Pride dominated types, Chuck has done enough over a period of time to be a slam dunk Top 5 LH and I got him at 3rd. I the first Rampage fight it was a fight, Chuck also has been on a great streak, Tito is not great, but he is a very tough guy to beat up, if you don't understand that you don't know MMA. Tito has incredible defense, no one wants to promote that as his skill, but that's what it is, ground and pound, with great defense, Chuck blasted right through that, Chuck went into Pride, at the heart of the existence, and had a knockdown drag out fight with Allistair in one of those fights where you learn a lot from a fighter, and the way Chuck was being rocked and to come back and win, I was more impressed than with any of his other fights, especially doing it in Pride, not so much the ring/octagon thing, but there is an element to fighting in a new organization that takes adjusting to. Chuck also has twice made easy work of Babulu, and we all know the track record he has. Chuck also has beaten the HEAVYWIEGHT champion, how did you forget that, twice. Rethink your Chuck comment, and this is from no Chuck fan, this is from someone who calls it like he sees it.

It's so jaw dropping and disprectful to me, not to personally my being, but to Chuck Liddell, that ya'll are looking at him that way, when he has beaten one of the greatest MMAer's ever twice, within the last 3 years. Not to mention Jeremy Horn,Kevin Randleman,Vitor Belfort,Jeff Monson, think about that list of guys he beat. More than a few have fought at heavywieght, Chuck belongs where he is.

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Posted by MoJoy

Copenhagen listen to what your saying. Are you one of the over Pride dominated types, Chuck has done enough over a period of time to be a slam dunk Top 5 LH and I got him at 3rd. I the first Rampage fight it was a fight, Chuck also has been on a great streak, Tito is not great, but he is a very tough guy to beat up, if you don't understand that you don't know MMA. Tito has incredible defense, no one wants to promote that as his skill, but that's what it is, ground and pound, with great defense, Chuck blasted right through that, Chuck went into Pride, at the heart of the existence, and had a knockdown drag out fight with Allistair in one of those fights where you learn a lot from a fighter, and the way Chuck was being rocked and to come back and win, I was more impressed than with any of his other fights, especially doing it in Pride, not so much the ring/octagon thing, but there is an element to fighting in a new organization that takes adjusting to. Chuck also has twice made easy work of Babulu, and we all know the track record he has. Chuck also has beaten the HEAVYWIEGHT champion, how did you forget that, twice. Rethink your Chuck comment, and this is from no Chuck fan, this is from someone who calls it like he sees it.

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This is a friendly debate not a fistfight. Go to Sherdog if you're going to act like that. I respect your opinion, but mine still stands.