LET'S GO RED WINGS !!!!!!!!!!!

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GrandMaster313
6/5/08 12:11:00AM
O.K. now that it's over and my Red Wings won, I just want to say .............. LETS GO RED WINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thoughts , opinions ?

Who cares MODS if you want to delete this ........fine but id rather have you NOT. Let us DETROIT fans have our moment of glory!!!!

LETS GO RED WINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
grappler0000
6/5/08 12:27:48AM
Rush
6/5/08 12:29:05AM
They should have won in game 5. They totally outplayed the Pens that game (and basically the whole series).
DJDark41
6/5/08 3:21:38PM
RED WINGS RULE! No offense to Pittsburgh, they managed to hang in there but they were totally outclassed. The talent level was aboult equal on offense, but the Red Wings defense and experience was what really won it. Pittsburgh is just too young, sometimes you have to lose before you can learn how to win. Gratz to the Red Wings and better luck next time Penguins.
balack_o-bama
6/5/08 4:26:44PM
First off, Im from the Burgh and a huge fan.

I hate you all, i hate those red beards, those god damn octopusses, i hate Kronwall, the Red Wings in general, and the whole state of Michigan!!!!!!!!


That being said........They are a great team. Their passing and defesnse is distgusting. We have one HUGE advantage tho.....Our goalie is just a liiiiiiiiittle better ( see game 5 if you disagree, he was the single reason we won)

We'll be back next year, and probally the next 10. Our talent is under 25.

Crosby, 19. Malkin, 20. Fluery, 23. Staal, 21. Few others i aint looking it up lol.


I suppose ill swallow my pride.......

CONGRADULATIONS!!!!!! f**kers
iwannabesedated
6/5/08 4:30:24PM

Posted by balack_o-bama

First off, Im from the Burgh and a huge fan.

I hate you all, i hate those red beards, those god damn octopusses, i hate Kronwall, the Red Wings in general, and the whole state of Michigan!!!!!!!!


That being said........They are a great team. Their passing and defesnse is distgusting. We have one HUGE advantage tho.....Our goalie is just a liiiiiiiiittle better ( see game 5 if you disagree, he was the single reason we won)

We'll be back next year, and probally the next 10. Our talent is under 25.

Crosby, 19. Malkin, 20. Fluery, 23. Staal, 21. Few others i aint looking it up lol.


I suppose ill swallow my pride.......

CONGRADULATIONS!!!!!! f**kers



Like the support but your ages are alittle off

Crosby is 20...Malkin is 21 fleury is 24 and staal is 19.

BTW were playing at the YMCA in Uniontown Tommorow night if your interested...
DJDark41
6/5/08 6:16:32PM

Posted by balack_o-bama

First off, Im from the Burgh and a huge fan.

I hate you all, i hate those red beards, those god damn octopusses, i hate Kronwall, the Red Wings in general, and the whole state of Michigan!!!!!!!!


That being said........They are a great team. Their passing and defesnse is distgusting. We have one HUGE advantage tho.....Our goalie is just a liiiiiiiiittle better ( see game 5 if you disagree, he was the single reason we won)

We'll be back next year, and probally the next 10. Our talent is under 25.

Crosby, 19. Malkin, 20. Fluery, 23. Staal, 21. Few others i aint looking it up lol.


I suppose ill swallow my pride.......

CONGRADULATIONS!!!!!! f**kers




So you hate tradition? Your just mad because most of your players are too young to grow beards. And when you say "their passing and defense are disgusting" you better be talking about the Penguins. The Red Wings are the #1 team defensively in the game, and they have some of the best passers in the game today. Lol @ one huge advantage. Fleury PLAYED great. That doesn't mean he's great. The only reason he had to play that well is because your defense has more holes then swiss cheese, and the Red Wings jumped all over that. And, Detroit has some young talent too. Datsyuk is 29, Fillpula is 24, Franzen is 28, Helm is 21, Hudler is 24, Kopecky is 26, KronVall is 27, Lebda is 26, and Zetterberg is 27... They might not have phenominal talent, but for the years to come they will be a tough team to play.
Aaronno9
6/5/08 6:27:03PM
So who do you support, Detroit or NYR?
DJDark41
6/5/08 6:47:56PM

Posted by Aaronno9

So who do you support, Detroit or NYR?





Both. I will always be a Ranger fan first and foremost. But, I am a huge Red Wings fan, especially since Datsyuk and Zetterberg have been favorites of mine for a few years now. I always have my teams that I cheer for in the playoffs if the Rangers get knocked out. This year it just so happened I was pulling for Detroit to win, but I honestly thought it would be Sharks vs Penguins in the finals. I did NOT expect Osgood to walk into the crease and just take over like he did.
Rush
6/5/08 7:38:56PM

Posted by DJDark41

Your just mad because most of your players are too young to grow beards.




LMAO, props for that. Crosby's facial hair was an abomination. The only thing worse are the weak mustaches that Asian men sport. lol

As for the young players being with the Pens for years to come, I wouldn't hold my breath. Just wait until Crosby, Malkin and Staal hit the unrestricted free agent market. I still don't consider him a top goalie, but if Fleury can keep up his playoff performance level of play, he'll be worth a chunk of change too. I don't see the Pens being able to afford more than two of those four players.
iwannabesedated
6/5/08 8:00:56PM

Posted by Rush


Posted by DJDark41

Your just mad because most of your players are too young to grow beards.




LMAO, props for that. Crosby's facial hair was an abomination. The only thing worse are the weak mustaches that Asian men sport. lol

As for the young players being with the Pens for years to come, I wouldn't hold my breath. Just wait until Crosby, Malkin and Staal hit the unrestricted free agent market. I still don't consider him a top goalie, but if Fleury can keep up his playoff performance level of play, he'll be worth a chunk of change too. I don't see the Pens being able to afford more than two of those four players.



Your pretty right on with that considering our UFA situation.

However..Crosby is signed till 2015....im p[retty sure

Fleury should be the number 1 priority this off season..A young goalie who was in the conn smyth running is hard to pass up on..

Honestly the odd man out will probably be Malkin..He be lookin for a 10yr 100 million deal im sure..And im questioning his heart after this last series..He made statements that he was tired physically and mentally before the finals started...I understand alot of players probably are but you dont say that.He didnt look right since getting rattled by richards in that Philly series.

Actually were under the cap and ther are increasing it to 5 more this next season.

Crosby as the "C" should be a leader and step up to management..Intstead of getting the 8.7 a year next year push it back a few seasons and get loaded in the final 2 or 3 yrs of his deal so we can sign some other guys...Regardless if we can lock up Malkin.Staal,and Fleury thats one hell of a foundation to build around for the next 10 yrs with 3 centers and goalie.
Aaronno9
6/5/08 8:27:06PM
I have a few things that i could use clearing up on the topic of contracts if any of you guys have 10 mins free to fill me in, i mean, ive been watching games for like 8 years or so, but we dont really get hockey news or anything here so its hard to keep up, i didnt have a clue what was going out during the lock out a few years back. Sucks being a hockey fan over here, its like one game pay week and no news without the internet. Ill number the questions incase you only want to answer a certain 1

So anyways, what i want to know is -

1. Can teams by players for cash like in soccer? Or can they only get other players via trades and free agents?

2 .When teams trade players, do the contracts automatically get transfered to, or does the player negotiate a new contract when they join their new team?

3. Do all teams have the same salary cap?

4. With contracts, do they players sign a contract with how much their going to be paid over a set number or years, then they can be paid a differant amount every year? For example if somebody signed a 5 year contract worth 5 million, would it be 1 million per year, or could they go

yr 1 500k
yr 2 500k
yr 3 1mil
yr 4 1mil
yr 5 2mil

Or something along those lines?

or is it like soccer where its just a set weekly wage? I always got confused with negotiating contracts on the nhl games for my xbox.

5. Finally, when a players contract runs out, do his current team have first refusal offering him a new contract, or when it runs out do they just go straight to free agency and any team can offer a contract, including their current team?

Props for whoever helps me out
Rush
6/5/08 8:43:20PM

Posted by 40ouncetofreedom

Your pretty right on with that considering our UFA situation.

However..Crosby is signed till 2015....im p[retty sure

Fleury should be the number 1 priority this off season..A young goalie who was in the conn smyth running is hard to pass up on..

Honestly the odd man out will probably be Malkin..He be lookin for a 10yr 100 million deal im sure..And im questioning his heart after this last series..He made statements that he was tired physically and mentally before the finals started...I understand alot of players probably are but you dont say that.He didnt look right since getting rattled by richards in that Philly series.

Actually were under the cap and ther are increasing it to 5 more this next season.

Crosby as the "C" should be a leader and step up to management..Intstead of getting the 8.7 a year next year push it back a few seasons and get loaded in the final 2 or 3 yrs of his deal so we can sign some other guys...Regardless if we can lock up Malkin.Staal,and Fleury thats one hell of a foundation to build around for the next 10 yrs with 3 centers and goalie.



Yeah, I wasn't sure when Crosby's contract ended. So I checked wiki and he is inked until 2012-13. He wont be an UFA for 4 more seasons anyways. I don't think Crosby will be going anywhere, but I agree that the odd man out will be Malkin. I think you will have all your young draft picks for the next 4-5 years. After that, I don't know who will be around. Hossa is gone this year isn't he? He'll be expensive to re-sign. What about Gonchar?

The cap space issue is a real joke if you ask me. They implemented the cap what 4 years or so ago and it was to prevent players (like Jagr) getting 10 million a year. Well, it looks like there are a few players already pushing the 8-9 million mark, Crosby being one of them. Heck, he's not even an UFA yet. I don't want to think what he'll be going for in 5 years.

It's not the cap space that I would be concerned with for the Pens. It's whether or not they can afford it. Aren't they still in financial trouble?
iwannabesedated
6/5/08 8:49:10PM

Posted by Aaronno9

I have a few things that i could use clearing up on the topic of contracts if any of you guys have 10 mins free to fill me in, i mean, ive been watching games for like 8 years or so, but we dont really get hockey news or anything here so its hard to keep up, i didnt have a clue what was going out during the lock out a few years back. Sucks being a hockey fan over here, its like one game pay week and no news without the internet. Ill number the questions incase you only want to answer a certain 1

So anyways, what i want to know is -

1. Can teams by players for cash like in soccer? Or can they only get other players via trades and free agents?

2 .When teams trade players, do the contracts automatically get transfered to, or does the player negotiate a new contract when they join their new team?

3. Do all teams have the same salary cap?

4. With contracts, do they players sign a contract with how much their going to be paid over a set number or years, then they can be paid a differant amount every year? For example if somebody signed a 5 year contract worth 5 million, would it be 1 million per year, or could they go

yr 1 500k
yr 2 500k
yr 3 1mil
yr 4 1mil
yr 5 2mil

Or something along those lines?

or is it like soccer where its just a set weekly wage? I always got confused with negotiating contracts on the nhl games for my xbox.

5. Finally, when a players contract runs out, do his current team have first refusal offering him a new contract, or when it runs out do they just go straight to free agency and any team can offer a contract, including their current team?

Props for whoever helps me out



1.Only thru trades of Free Agency..Or waiver claims.
2.Yes, and teams can also negotiate a new one...EX.Hossa...The pens are paying him what was left from this ATL Deal...Hes an UnRestricted FA so any team is able to offer him a deal this summer.
3. Yes the salary cap is the same for all teams...Im not sure what it is exactly..so teams are over and some teams are under...If your over then you normally pay some time of penalty the next season..im pretty sure anyways..
4.Yes.Crosby for example..He got a deal for 87 million with 8.7 being his base pay starting in the 08/09 season he can however Be paid whatever amount per season he would like..some may want it up front and some may take towards the end of their deal....
5.Depends..You have Restricted Free Agents and Unrestricted...Restricted is where a player gets a qualifying offer from their current teams and other teams would have to match it or pay greater...Unrestricted they player can take and go for any team for whatever amount they offer hi,

I hoped this help...and i hope im somewhat correct.LOL
iwannabesedated
6/5/08 8:55:31PM

Posted by Rush


Posted by 40ouncetofreedom

Your pretty right on with that considering our UFA situation.

However..Crosby is signed till 2015....im p[retty sure

Fleury should be the number 1 priority this off season..A young goalie who was in the conn smyth running is hard to pass up on..

Honestly the odd man out will probably be Malkin..He be lookin for a 10yr 100 million deal im sure..And im questioning his heart after this last series..He made statements that he was tired physically and mentally before the finals started...I understand alot of players probably are but you dont say that.He didnt look right since getting rattled by richards in that Philly series.

Actually were under the cap and ther are increasing it to 5 more this next season.

Crosby as the "C" should be a leader and step up to management..Intstead of getting the 8.7 a year next year push it back a few seasons and get loaded in the final 2 or 3 yrs of his deal so we can sign some other guys...Regardless if we can lock up Malkin.Staal,and Fleury thats one hell of a foundation to build around for the next 10 yrs with 3 centers and goalie.



Yeah, I wasn't sure when Crosby's contract ended. So I checked wiki and he is inked until 2012-13. He wont be an UFA for 4 more seasons anyways. I don't think Crosby will be going anywhere, but I agree that the odd man out will be Malkin. I think you will have all your young draft picks for the next 4-5 years. After that, I don't know who will be around. Hossa is gone this year isn't he? He'll be expensive to re-sign. What about Gonchar?

The cap space issue is a real joke if you ask me. They implemented the cap what 4 years or so ago and it was to prevent players (like Jagr) getting 10 million a year. Well, it looks like there are a few players already pushing the 8-9 million mark, Crosby being one of them. Heck, he's not even an UFA yet. I don't want to think what he'll be going for in 5 years.

It's not the cap space that I would be concerned with for the Pens. It's whether or not they can afford it. Aren't they still in financial trouble?



Nah we got a new arena opening in 2009/2010 season...Ron Burkle the team owner..Is a billionaire...Hes like the grocery store king..Im pretty sure he owns alot of Food store chains thorughout america...hes also known as Party Boy Ron by Good Friend Bill Clinton..He dumped alot of money into Hillarys campaign this yeah..

Hossa is an UFA...He gets 6 mil a year now...But im sure he;ll be lookin for 8mil next year...

Gonchar got a 5 yr 55 mill deal about 3 yrs ago..So hes got 1 or 2 yrs left on his deal.

But as far as the Pens in financial trouble is all good now...We're under the cap and plus whatever they add for the next season....New Arena is going to be really nice.It you like to travel for games..Id suggest to check it out...Pittsburgh Fans arent douches...They dont bother other teams fans..Every game ive been to ive met canaidan people at..and they always say who nice ppl are...

Only thing dont wear anything Cleveland Browns..then you might have a problem.lol...buts thats football.

The original arena plans was to sell the Pens to the Isle of Capri a Casino and they were toown the team and PAY for the Arena...It wouldve been a waterfront Arena/Casino...But the city decided to go the other route and have the taxpayers pay for it..Go Figure...but its not in my county so i dont pay for it.
Rush
6/5/08 8:55:46PM

Posted by Aaronno9

I have a few things that i could use clearing up on the topic of contracts if any of you guys have 10 mins free to fill me in, i mean, ive been watching games for like 8 years or so, but we dont really get hockey news or anything here so its hard to keep up, i didnt have a clue what was going out during the lock out a few years back. Sucks being a hockey fan over here, its like one game pay week and no news without the internet. Ill number the questions incase you only want to answer a certain 1

So anyways, what i want to know is -

1. Can teams by players for cash like in soccer? Or can they only get other players via trades and free agents?
All players are under contract and contribute to the cap (unless they are injured or in the minors

2 .When teams trade players, do the contracts automatically get transfered to, or does the player negotiate a new contract when they join their new team?
If the player is still under contract, the new team picks up the rest of the contract, ehich goes toward the salary cap

3. Do all teams have the same salary cap?
Yes, but not every team has the money to fill out their cap. IMO, the cap is becoming less of an issue these days. I think right now it just prevents the super rich teams from buying up talent. However, one thing that I think it continues to do is make contract negotiations a little interesting by making teams think twice what they offer a player.

4. With contracts, do they players sign a contract with how much their going to be paid over a set number or years, then they can be paid a differant amount every year? For example if somebody signed a 5 year contract worth 5 million, would it be 1 million per year, or could they go

yr 1 500k
yr 2 500k
yr 3 1mil
yr 4 1mil
yr 5 2mil

Or something along those lines?

or is it like soccer where its just a set weekly wage? I always got confused with negotiating contracts on the nhl games for my xbox.

You were right with your example. Contracts can be for multiple years, with each year being a different amount. Some times the amount goes up and some times it goes down as the contract progresses. There are other things like no-trade clauses and two-way deals that get factored into some contracts.

5. Finally, when a players contract runs out, do his current team have first refusal offering him a new contract, or when it runs out do they just go straight to free agency and any team can offer a contract, including their current team?


Players who are no longer consider "entry-level" but do not qualify as unrestricted free agents become restricted free agents when their contracts expire.

So the way it goes is that your are either a restricted free agent (RFA) or an unrestricted free agent (UFA). If you are a RFA and your contract is over, the team that previously held the contract has the option of matching other teams offers, and if they do they keep the player

A team must extend a "qualifying offer" to its restricted free agent to retain negotiating rights to that player. Players making less than $660,000 must be offered 110 percent of last season's salary. Players making up to $1 million must be offered 105 percent. Players making over $1 million must be offered 100 percent. Under the previous deal, qualifying offers had to be at least 100 percent of the previous year's salary, with 10 percent raises due to many players.

Restricted free agents must sign NHL contracts by December 1, or they are not eligible to play for the rest of the season.


Unrestricted free agents can go where they want and there is no limit to the money they can make. Players can become an UFA when they are 27 years old or have played 7 seasons in the NHL.


Props for whoever helps me out




answers in bold
Aaronno9
6/5/08 8:58:47PM
Thanks guys

I gotta spead the love before i can prop either of you again but ill remember.
iwannabesedated
6/5/08 9:03:10PM
Yeah after a players current contract is up...

So if you sign a deal until 2010....after your last year in the deal youll become unrestricted..

Theres also different groups..Like groups 1 thru 3

i think that goes by how many years a player has been in the league



You guys want to do a fantasy Hockey League next year???

bls1919
6/5/08 9:10:10PM
F_CK the REDWINGS
F_CK Zetterberg
That being said 5 championchips in 11 yrs is amazing
they deserved the cup they played harder early in the series and didnt look back
Rush
6/5/08 9:18:42PM

Posted by 40ouncetofreedom

You guys want to do a fantasy Hockey League next year???





I'll have to pass. Some guys at work have one and I had to pass on that. I don't have the time to keep up with it every night.

thanks though
DJDark41
6/6/08 12:28:21PM

Posted by 40ouncetofreedom

Hossa is an UFA...He gets 6 mil a year now...But im sure he;ll be lookin for 8mil next year...

Gonchar got a 5 yr 55 mill deal about 3 yrs ago..So hes got 1 or 2 yrs left on his deal.




If Hossa is smart, he'll take a cut in his salary so he can come back to a team that will be a perennial contender for the Cup. I'm sure he doesn't want to go back to an Atlanta scenario, where there are 2 of the best forwards(Hossa and Kovalchuk) in the game stuck on a team thats going nowhere fast. Regarding Gonchar, he's one of my favorites, but I think after his contract is done, he might get a 1 or 2 year deal, then retire. And whoever was talking about the Penguins and free agency...jeez. It's gonna be tough to keep Malkin, Crosby, Hossa AND Fleury. Crosby is locked up for a number of years, and they need to do the same for Fleury. I think they have players who could step up, and not so much replace Malkin and Hossa, but they could fill in the spot with solid play. Its gonna be tough for the Peguins to keep the same team they have for the next few years, but if they can do it, watch for the Penguins to have their name on the Prince Of Wales trophy a few times in a row.
iwannabesedated
6/6/08 1:52:44PM
Heres A link to a Pittsburgh Paper that breaks down the FA scenario for the Pens...Pretty interesting.
dannyfrank
6/6/08 10:44:43PM
boo! red wings suck ass!
DJDark41
6/9/08 2:02:31PM

Posted by dannyfrank

boo! red wings suck ass!





And what does that mean your team sucks?
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