Posted by keith-hackney1
I have a serious problem with the last couple lines of this. With out the Gracie's self defense there is no MMA practitioners to defeat them. If Royce loses it doesn't do any thing to the legacy of BJJ. It is still the core of any MMA fighter's training. BJJ in MMA is similar to ice skating being a part of hockey.
Yes but the gracies one way minded stubboness that they and their style was superior to any other martial artist really payed off as in todays sport they are no longer a force to rekon with. Look at royce, no time limits, big fat sumo opponants, drug taking ... all the in the gracie jj book of cheating and winning. The gracies are fakes because their secret fighting system was quickly flushed out as other fighters got good at mma and got better than the gracies !!!!
Lets be honest guys, the gracies were never really that good. All of their opponants were hand picked, they only fought strikers and look how well they compete in todays fighting unlike the way they were in the begining.
The gracies invented a bjj style that was very effective against fighters who didnt know what it was. MMA was bourne to defeat the gracies !!!!!!!!!!!
Couldn't disagree more, their style WAS superior to any one martial art. Your named Keith hackney yet you bash Royce for participating in those fights. Correct me if im wrong but hackney fought sumos in no time limit matches. One Gracie cheated and seems to be exiled from his family, yet to you they all cheat? The Gracie's are fakes because they advanced MMA?
The Gracie's weren't that good? And the majority of there opponents were strikers because thats all there was. Royce beat shamrock, and Severn who were both ground experts. How could Royce's opponents have been handpicked? it was a tournament. If you look on the wider spectrum of Gracies, they were often challenged, and not one of them has turned down a fight that i know of, especially spawning back to the days of helio and carlos gracie. The Gracie's still have success now, not as much but that is due to the fact that the Gracies competing currently are old and beyond the point where they could integrate much wrestling/striking into there game. But the new generation of Gracies: Ralek, Roger etc. show a promising future in MMA due to the fact that they also strike. MMA was born to defeat the Gracies? in that case thank the Gracies for spawning MMA. Truth is the Gracies are an important part of MMA.
If you are familiar with the Gracie's history, you'll find they aren't quite as stubborn as many think. Carlos gracie invented Gracie Jujitsu by learning judo and JJ, and others from a Japanese master. Unrestrained by Japanese traditions they took out the impractical parts of each and started combining them in way that they would have a hybrid of combined martial arts, a big step in the formation of MMA. Helio and Carlos taught their five other brothers their new art and they began fighting, they would experiment new techniques and found what worked in their style and what didnt, what parts to emphasize, and what parts not to, constantly tweaking their art. Of course the Gracies must be proud of what they accomplished using GJJ, so of course they are hesitant to make drastic changes to something that dominated for so long. But trust me the Gracies wont be to proud to change their style or put more emphasis on striking, because changes have already been made, and you'll see it soon with the new generation of Gracies
Sorry for a long rambling, im just a big fan of the gracie family, their history and their contribution to this great sport